/Vegan/

General vegan thread, mainly for discussion of health as this is a fitness board, although if anyone's interested we can always discuss ethics and the environment.

So here's my main proposition, give me an explanation as to why a meat eater diet is superior to a vegan one for fitness, or vice versa.

Here's a link to our vegan-fit discord: discord.gg/WA2P32d

Other urls found in this thread:

dresselstyn.com/JFP_06307_Article1.pdf
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2671114/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9224182
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21930800
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24493081
pastebin.com/JVpMNyjm
psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why
maltatoday.com.mt/sports/othersports/42382/bodybuilding_legend_mike_matarazzo_dies#.WamO4EEpCaM
naturalnews.com/035081_pasteurized_milk_cancer_dairy.html#
pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk
twitter.com/AnonBabble

>cholesterol
enjoy being a low test faggot

Give me a study which proves meat eaters have superior testosterone to vegans.

Vegans stink

How long until the mods get off their dumbasses and automatically flag 'vegan' as spam?

I started this thread, followed the rules and gave a proposition, you're the only faggot who's butthurt calling the mods as if they are your mom.

That's only because eating meat is "default," so you're grouping someone who eats a healthy diet that includes meat with the 500lb woman on the electric scooter at walmart eating her 4th bacon cheeseburger.

Really this stat should be "People that think about what they eat live 6-10 years longer, which includes vegetarians"

>vegetarian-vegan
>frozen yoghurt-froyo

>although if anyone's interested we can always discuss ethics and the environment
I spy 2 things that aren't Veeky Forums-related. Cut the bullshit and go back to

What a clusterfuck of a thread. Yeah, lets lump together the average fast food eating american with people who eat a clean fitness diet. Because meat is meat right? This is why veganism is treated like a weird cult for emasculated boys.

Well if you are trying to counter vegan claims then have the decency to present some actual evidence instead of making absurd objective claims.

Op presented the claims about longer lifespan and shit but with no study to back it up. If he would like to "present some actual evidence," then I'll tear apart whatever weak-ass study made those claims

this is true.

try to be less dogmatic. you have a lot to learn.

Being liberal and vegan is tied to being low t physiologically AND physically
>but pu-pu-please gib me studies
Fuck off nigger just take a look in the mirror

Veganism has been shown to reverse coronary heart disease dresselstyn.com/JFP_06307_Article1.pdf

Reduced risk of diabetes
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2671114/

Lower BMI overrall, as even this study says ^

Drinking milk increases risk of bone fracture and osteoporosis ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9224182

Eating eggs inceases risk of prostate cancer
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21930800

>Drinking milk increases risk of bone fracture and osteoporosis
That's not what the study was concluding, you b8ing nigger. I didn't bother to read the rest of your shit since you're clearly illiterate

Except I'm far right wing, a believer in national socialism and I lift regularly, what part of that is low test?

Your vegan diet
Also, your weak lifts and belief in a failed system

>NeetSuccs
>not low test

So you eat like a bitch because you're afraid to die?
Typical vegan

I'm sure it's already stated but meat eaters encompasses every fucking American burger. Not just me who ate 2 eggs 1 cup of skyr unflavored yogurt a banana and 1 cup of oats and water. I to used to drive to McDonald's every morning to eat 3 sausage burritos while driving.

>Veganism has been shown to reverse coronary heart disease dresselstyn.com/JFP_06307_Article1.pdf

This study cannot be extrapolated to the population as a whole. It studies patients who already have cardiovascular disease. Just like salt is fine for healthy people but terrible for people with hypertension, you can make no conclusions about normal people.

In addition, there is no control group, they put these patients on a plant based diet and compare them to the general population. Other comments have already
brought up the issues with this, as you're comparing someone on a controlled diet in a hospital with the garbage the average american eats, not a healthy meat-based diet.

Also they did not here is something in the water in the area surrounding the Cleveland Clinic. Other
age the average american eats. Perhaps if they put one group on a healthy diet consisting only of plants, and another diet consisting of plants and lean meats, the second group would do even better than the first.

Lastly, they changed a ton of variables about the patients diet, not just whether they ate meat.

> Patients were also asked to avoid sugary foods
(sucrose, fructose, and drinks containing
them, refined carbohydrates, fruit juices, syrups,
and molasses). Subsequently, we also
excluded caffeine and fructose.

Excluding sugar from these patients diets makes this whole study garbage. Added sugar has been linked to heart disease, so OF COURSE cutting it out of the diet lowers the patients risk of heart diease. SOURCE: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24493081

I can address the other studies if you like but this comment is already long as fuck. Actually read the articles you're linking and think critically.

lol ignore the stroke I seemed to have in the middle there

those statistics compare a group of people who actively do things for their health, compared to literally everyone else, including alcoholics, druggies, people with diseases etc.

compare keto to the general pop and it is good too

compare paleo and it comes out better too

GET FUCKED

>live longer because you're vegan
>waste your extended life by arguing with meat eaters daily and being angry all the time because you're getting roasted.. while also not being able to enjoy delicious meat
Being vegan must be hard

How about you just eat a balanced diet with the right amount of calories instead of wanking over vegetables

A diet higher in fats increases testosterone.

Vegans stink

Post things about meat eaters that you will never understand:

Why do carnefags feel the need to slaughter a living creature, harvest it's flesh and sear it with a world full of flavors from spices, herbs, fruits, vegeables, oils, and charcoals? Why do they need violence in order to enjoy taste?

because we're not prissy nu-males that are such overwhelming pussies that we think about our food's feelings

I asked this in the last thread about vegetarianism but nobody gave me an answer.
Any recommendations on vegan protein powder? I finished a tub of Garden Of Life in less than two weeks but it's rather pricey. 20 scoops for $40? The tub washing even filled fml

It's like not being able to enjoy sex unless it's rape. Are carnefags all mentally ill?

> eating food is the same as rape

nice dubs but I'm p sure the only mental illness here is your own

>implying "violence" is a meaningful concept apart from the way seeing blood makes you feel

Enjoy dying from clogged arteries.

>slaughtered and harvested animal flesh from a factory the size of Auschwitz is the same as food

You're blind. The media has you completely oblivious to where your "food" comes from.

Only a weak beta cuck would care about animals.

You're wasting your time. These are dude-bruhs. They feed on broscience and what they read in Muscle and Fitness magazines.

>muh meat
>muh gains
>muh heart disease
>muh funeral

hello there shills

pastebin.com/JVpMNyjm

Damn vegans BTFO

Autism: The picture

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@42710018
Weak b8. Not getting that (You)

To bad those claims are all bullshit.

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>Meat eaters are associated with white supremacists/racists/alt-right/radicals

Why am I not surprised at all?

I'm not even vegetarian you mouthbreathing /pol/ cuck monkey.

(((They))) want you eating meat so you spend tons of money on the drugs (((they))) sell.

You only need drugs if you get fat

>not wanting people to be vegan simply because you hate them

Why would I want someone I hate to make adequate health choices?

Because you're a stupid hippy faggot

because they are low genetic quality trash

psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201412/84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why

>meat eaters
>carnies
Since when does insulting people into joining your way of life/not leaving it work? It's like pretending that calling people infidels enough times will turn everyone into a muslim.

My goal is not to recruit people. I just asked a question about whether or not carnefags are mentally ill psychopaths (they are).

OMG Psychology Today! Now there's a reputable source. Might as well be The Onion or the National Enquirer.

Fuck animals and fuck you. You got a problem with it? I'll eat you too, faggot.

Is there any diet besides the standard american diet that doesn't have high dropout rates?

Thinking that there are people out there that do not like the taste of meat. Mostly because they fail at making it taste great. Shame to the animal that you can't enjoy it.

I'll give you a (you) and be on my way.

It's because meat consumption leads to lower IQs in general. This, those who avoid meat and dairy tend to hold college degrees, have careers, own homes, etc.

Successful people define themselves with said education and homes while the lesser mentally fortunate refer to their physical prowess (not unlike white trash and minorities who own pitbulls).

It's not their fault - it's the meat and dairy they've been indoctrinated by (((them))) into eating.

>muh meat
>rawr

Post body with timestamp

Vegans never do this because they are all sickly and weak

Beef! It's What's For Dinner!

maltatoday.com.mt/sports/othersports/42382/bodybuilding_legend_mike_matarazzo_dies#.WamO4EEpCaM

>correlation = causation

Vegans and vegetarians, whatever your opinion of them, tend to be thoughtful of their diet, and are also more often than not women, who live longer than men.

Basically op's picture is most likely a result of correlating two variables together, not correcting for a host of other factors that might influence it.

You could probably get the same result if you look for people that drink wine regularly.

I would post a picture of my body to prove you wrong, but I could be identified based on my scars (used to be involved with a fight club, stabbed multiple times) and my gang affiliated tattoos from when I spent 10 years in one of the toughest prisons in the country (I’m, probably, in the top priority list of the FBI right now).

I know your type, though. You think because you can squat and deadlift heavy that you're a big guy with an impressive physique. I have built plenty of muscle without those autistic lifts. You probably think you're superior because you follow the routines of a fat little redneck man with no real knowledge of building muscular or strength. You don’t know shit about muscles and strength if you have not trained the way I had, I literally learned from the best, and you got no shit on me, you fat autistic neckbeard.

Waiting on that pic with timestamp. You won't do it, of course, but that just goes to show how frail you are.

>I'm a felon with a big beautiful opinion who don't need no meat

Your physique is shit. Shut the fuck up, faggot.

delicious pasta

>You could probably get the same result if you look for people that drink wine regularly.

Let's see it, then.

>before statistics
"Vegfags are sick and malnourished, it's a shit diet"
>after statistics
"Vegetarians are thoughtful of their diet and engage in healthy activities, thus explaining their good health"

>posts no numbers to back up his own claim, asks me to back up my claim

You first

i would literally rather die at 50 doing drugs, drinking alcohol daily, and eating whatever the fuck i want, then to die at 110 living a pussy vegan lifestyle

lmao

I get what you're saying, but there are zero studies out there that can actually back up what you're saying. All studies show that strict plant eaters are healthier than even occasional meat eaters. Moderation doesn't matter. Sure, eating meat in moderation is healthier than in excess,but all the science still shows that a moderate meat diet is not nearly as healthy as strict plant-based.

>do you even lift bruh?

Someone who finally gets it.

What a surprise that a non meat eater would think this way

Please do

i will, faggit

That's because there's thousands of studies involving millions of people to back it.

All you have are big industry commercials and bought and paid for rebuttals to the aforementioned research.

Now get you a milk mustache so you can take another step closer to prostate cancer.

Maybe that's why he doesn't eat meat.

You keep saying 'all science is backing it' but so far that's all i've seen, you saying it.

Hardly convincing evidence

6-10 years doesn't bother me. Dying at 80 vs 90? Drop in the bucket as far as I'm concerned

this isn't shopped, and he is a vegan. You're about the same, I presume?

That's an average. It could also mean the difference between dying of a heart attack at 45, or living to 80.

Sure. But that dude dying at 45 was probably eating bacon wrapped bacon all day long just like a vegan smoker might die at 45 from lung cancer.

We're not your personal library. If you can't do the google then I recommend you eat five or six steaks daily, with lots of butter and eggs.

>what is burden of proof
embarrassing

>make a claim
>don't need to back it up lul faggot go look yourself

Sounds legit

naturalnews.com/035081_pasteurized_milk_cancer_dairy.html#

Get yourself a big tall glass of estrogen.

That's funny since soy is full of estrogen

Soy doesn't cause cancer, sweet tits.

pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk

None at all actually. Soy contains a compound that looks like estrogen but isn't.

and this is a meat eater
feel stupid yet?

That's also a water drinker.

Are you sure you're not just a huge retard wrapped retard?

>being this mad over being wrong

>implying that guy drinks anything but soda and milk

Vegans stink

regular ass milk has like 50 nanograms of estrogen per liter, you fucking idiot

Yeah I looked it up and I was wrong, sheeeeit

And im gone.