General vegan thread, mainly for discussion of health as this is a fitness board, although if anyone's interested we can always discuss ethics and the environment.
So here's my main proposition, give me an explanation as to why a meat eater diet is superior to a vegan one for fitness, or vice versa.
Give me a study which proves meat eaters have superior testosterone to vegans.
Justin Nelson
Vegans stink
Ethan Ortiz
How long until the mods get off their dumbasses and automatically flag 'vegan' as spam?
Sebastian Robinson
I started this thread, followed the rules and gave a proposition, you're the only faggot who's butthurt calling the mods as if they are your mom.
William Butler
That's only because eating meat is "default," so you're grouping someone who eats a healthy diet that includes meat with the 500lb woman on the electric scooter at walmart eating her 4th bacon cheeseburger.
Really this stat should be "People that think about what they eat live 6-10 years longer, which includes vegetarians"
John Taylor
>vegetarian-vegan >frozen yoghurt-froyo
Luke Diaz
>although if anyone's interested we can always discuss ethics and the environment I spy 2 things that aren't Veeky Forums-related. Cut the bullshit and go back to
Landon Jones
What a clusterfuck of a thread. Yeah, lets lump together the average fast food eating american with people who eat a clean fitness diet. Because meat is meat right? This is why veganism is treated like a weird cult for emasculated boys.
Nathan Reed
Well if you are trying to counter vegan claims then have the decency to present some actual evidence instead of making absurd objective claims.
Landon Gonzalez
Op presented the claims about longer lifespan and shit but with no study to back it up. If he would like to "present some actual evidence," then I'll tear apart whatever weak-ass study made those claims
Luke Perry
this is true.
try to be less dogmatic. you have a lot to learn.
Eli Nelson
Being liberal and vegan is tied to being low t physiologically AND physically >but pu-pu-please gib me studies Fuck off nigger just take a look in the mirror
>Drinking milk increases risk of bone fracture and osteoporosis That's not what the study was concluding, you b8ing nigger. I didn't bother to read the rest of your shit since you're clearly illiterate
Gavin Gutierrez
Except I'm far right wing, a believer in national socialism and I lift regularly, what part of that is low test?
Brayden Moore
Your vegan diet Also, your weak lifts and belief in a failed system
Gabriel Davis
>NeetSuccs >not low test
Charles Thomas
So you eat like a bitch because you're afraid to die? Typical vegan
Sebastian Russell
I'm sure it's already stated but meat eaters encompasses every fucking American burger. Not just me who ate 2 eggs 1 cup of skyr unflavored yogurt a banana and 1 cup of oats and water. I to used to drive to McDonald's every morning to eat 3 sausage burritos while driving.
This study cannot be extrapolated to the population as a whole. It studies patients who already have cardiovascular disease. Just like salt is fine for healthy people but terrible for people with hypertension, you can make no conclusions about normal people.
In addition, there is no control group, they put these patients on a plant based diet and compare them to the general population. Other comments have already brought up the issues with this, as you're comparing someone on a controlled diet in a hospital with the garbage the average american eats, not a healthy meat-based diet.
Also they did not here is something in the water in the area surrounding the Cleveland Clinic. Other age the average american eats. Perhaps if they put one group on a healthy diet consisting only of plants, and another diet consisting of plants and lean meats, the second group would do even better than the first.
Lastly, they changed a ton of variables about the patients diet, not just whether they ate meat.
> Patients were also asked to avoid sugary foods (sucrose, fructose, and drinks containing them, refined carbohydrates, fruit juices, syrups, and molasses). Subsequently, we also excluded caffeine and fructose.
Excluding sugar from these patients diets makes this whole study garbage. Added sugar has been linked to heart disease, so OF COURSE cutting it out of the diet lowers the patients risk of heart diease. SOURCE: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24493081
I can address the other studies if you like but this comment is already long as fuck. Actually read the articles you're linking and think critically.
Adam Adams
lol ignore the stroke I seemed to have in the middle there
Nolan Young
those statistics compare a group of people who actively do things for their health, compared to literally everyone else, including alcoholics, druggies, people with diseases etc.
compare keto to the general pop and it is good too
compare paleo and it comes out better too
GET FUCKED
Tyler Jackson
>live longer because you're vegan >waste your extended life by arguing with meat eaters daily and being angry all the time because you're getting roasted.. while also not being able to enjoy delicious meat Being vegan must be hard
Brayden Barnes
How about you just eat a balanced diet with the right amount of calories instead of wanking over vegetables
Eli Foster
A diet higher in fats increases testosterone.
Isaiah Smith
Vegans stink
Dylan Foster
Post things about meat eaters that you will never understand:
Why do carnefags feel the need to slaughter a living creature, harvest it's flesh and sear it with a world full of flavors from spices, herbs, fruits, vegeables, oils, and charcoals? Why do they need violence in order to enjoy taste?
Evan Baker
because we're not prissy nu-males that are such overwhelming pussies that we think about our food's feelings
Nathaniel Parker
I asked this in the last thread about vegetarianism but nobody gave me an answer. Any recommendations on vegan protein powder? I finished a tub of Garden Of Life in less than two weeks but it's rather pricey. 20 scoops for $40? The tub washing even filled fml
Christian Rodriguez
It's like not being able to enjoy sex unless it's rape. Are carnefags all mentally ill?
Cameron Evans
> eating food is the same as rape
nice dubs but I'm p sure the only mental illness here is your own
Nathaniel Collins
>implying "violence" is a meaningful concept apart from the way seeing blood makes you feel
Tyler Flores
Enjoy dying from clogged arteries.
Benjamin Young
>slaughtered and harvested animal flesh from a factory the size of Auschwitz is the same as food
You're blind. The media has you completely oblivious to where your "food" comes from.
Jaxon Brooks
Only a weak beta cuck would care about animals.
Angel Brooks
You're wasting your time. These are dude-bruhs. They feed on broscience and what they read in Muscle and Fitness magazines.
>meat eaters >carnies Since when does insulting people into joining your way of life/not leaving it work? It's like pretending that calling people infidels enough times will turn everyone into a muslim.
Brody Moore
My goal is not to recruit people. I just asked a question about whether or not carnefags are mentally ill psychopaths (they are).
Angel Diaz
OMG Psychology Today! Now there's a reputable source. Might as well be The Onion or the National Enquirer.
Camden Flores
Fuck animals and fuck you. You got a problem with it? I'll eat you too, faggot.
Colton Barnes
Is there any diet besides the standard american diet that doesn't have high dropout rates?
Jose Kelly
Thinking that there are people out there that do not like the taste of meat. Mostly because they fail at making it taste great. Shame to the animal that you can't enjoy it.
Parker Young
I'll give you a (you) and be on my way.
Daniel Perry
It's because meat consumption leads to lower IQs in general. This, those who avoid meat and dairy tend to hold college degrees, have careers, own homes, etc.
Successful people define themselves with said education and homes while the lesser mentally fortunate refer to their physical prowess (not unlike white trash and minorities who own pitbulls).
It's not their fault - it's the meat and dairy they've been indoctrinated by (((them))) into eating.
>muh meat >rawr
Caleb Flores
Post body with timestamp
Vegans never do this because they are all sickly and weak
Vegans and vegetarians, whatever your opinion of them, tend to be thoughtful of their diet, and are also more often than not women, who live longer than men.
Basically op's picture is most likely a result of correlating two variables together, not correcting for a host of other factors that might influence it.
You could probably get the same result if you look for people that drink wine regularly.
Ayden Miller
I would post a picture of my body to prove you wrong, but I could be identified based on my scars (used to be involved with a fight club, stabbed multiple times) and my gang affiliated tattoos from when I spent 10 years in one of the toughest prisons in the country (I’m, probably, in the top priority list of the FBI right now).
I know your type, though. You think because you can squat and deadlift heavy that you're a big guy with an impressive physique. I have built plenty of muscle without those autistic lifts. You probably think you're superior because you follow the routines of a fat little redneck man with no real knowledge of building muscular or strength. You don’t know shit about muscles and strength if you have not trained the way I had, I literally learned from the best, and you got no shit on me, you fat autistic neckbeard.
Kayden Cook
Waiting on that pic with timestamp. You won't do it, of course, but that just goes to show how frail you are.
Jaxson Parker
>I'm a felon with a big beautiful opinion who don't need no meat
Your physique is shit. Shut the fuck up, faggot.
Jonathan Allen
delicious pasta
Elijah Rivera
>You could probably get the same result if you look for people that drink wine regularly.
Let's see it, then.
Xavier Evans
>before statistics "Vegfags are sick and malnourished, it's a shit diet" >after statistics "Vegetarians are thoughtful of their diet and engage in healthy activities, thus explaining their good health"
Asher Martinez
>posts no numbers to back up his own claim, asks me to back up my claim
You first
William Perry
i would literally rather die at 50 doing drugs, drinking alcohol daily, and eating whatever the fuck i want, then to die at 110 living a pussy vegan lifestyle
lmao
Luke King
I get what you're saying, but there are zero studies out there that can actually back up what you're saying. All studies show that strict plant eaters are healthier than even occasional meat eaters. Moderation doesn't matter. Sure, eating meat in moderation is healthier than in excess,but all the science still shows that a moderate meat diet is not nearly as healthy as strict plant-based.
Sebastian Martinez
>do you even lift bruh?
Julian Martinez
Someone who finally gets it.
Brandon Scott
What a surprise that a non meat eater would think this way
Jackson Gonzalez
Please do
Brody Ward
i will, faggit
Samuel Lopez
That's because there's thousands of studies involving millions of people to back it.
All you have are big industry commercials and bought and paid for rebuttals to the aforementioned research.
Now get you a milk mustache so you can take another step closer to prostate cancer.
James Young
Maybe that's why he doesn't eat meat.
Brody Carter
You keep saying 'all science is backing it' but so far that's all i've seen, you saying it.
Hardly convincing evidence
Mason Williams
6-10 years doesn't bother me. Dying at 80 vs 90? Drop in the bucket as far as I'm concerned
Robert Cox
this isn't shopped, and he is a vegan. You're about the same, I presume?
Lucas Lopez
That's an average. It could also mean the difference between dying of a heart attack at 45, or living to 80.
Hudson Lee
Sure. But that dude dying at 45 was probably eating bacon wrapped bacon all day long just like a vegan smoker might die at 45 from lung cancer.
Leo Miller
We're not your personal library. If you can't do the google then I recommend you eat five or six steaks daily, with lots of butter and eggs.
Elijah Sullivan
>what is burden of proof embarrassing
Evan Campbell
>make a claim >don't need to back it up lul faggot go look yourself