Wanting to be anything more muscular than Nate-mode

Vitamins and lots of juice user!

legit gaining a large amount of weight through muscle and fat will give u more success at fighting then actually learning to fight

obviously u need to combine the 2 if u rly want to be best fighter possible not considering weight class onyl RAW FIGHTING POWER

Lots of juice bro

A lot of fighters fell off when testing became more thorough

>powerful punches
>Nate diaz
When?
>Powerful punches
>Tyron woodley
All the fucking time

tyson's decline actually began when he started hitting the weights after getting out of prison. he was naturally thick/muscular but the weights did not help at all.

People who advocate lifting for striking arts never understood the difference between loaded and unloaded movements.

Basically, if your coach tells you to lift for boxing, he hasn't got a clue about sports science. And you should change clubs.

A stronger athlete is a better athlete. Strength training is never wrong. For fighters it's less important than fight training but it is still important.

lol no, skill>everything else. it only take a few pounds of pressure to break bones. obviously being big and having knowledge is ideal, but i'll take the knowledge of how to use someone's weight against them over not having that knowledge and being big

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

You don't have a clue about sports science and should stop posting. Really, loaded vs unloaded movement is like the basics.

Dude, you don't have to be muscle bound to be stronger.

You can have a healthy amount of muscle and strength and still be a good fighter. Don't act like we haven't seen plenty of lanklets get destroyed by stronger fighters who can grapple fuck the lanklets like wet noodles.

Again, l2sports science, you colossal retard.

>Don't act like we haven't seen plenty of lanklets get destroyed by stronger fighters who can grapple fuck the lanklets like wet noodles.
Oh God, how can America have Yale and NASA and people as ignroant and retarded as you? You really think a good grappler can grapple a lanklet just because he lifts a lot? And what does this have to do with striking?You know, the thing we're talking about.

How low is your IQ exactly?

If Nate gained 30lbs of muscle, he'd have absolutely no height or reach advantage over the people in Middleweight.

If weight classes didn't exist, every fighter would try to find their absolute heaviest possible weight, without losing any other attributes.

Look at Pride FC, in the open weight categories. Not everyone was walking around looking like a tree stump. There were still plenty of slimmer guys competing.

But I agree with you, OP is just a fag trying to make excuses.

>If weight classes didn't exist, every fighter would try to find their absolute heaviest possible weight, without losing any other attributes.
Wrong. That wasn't the case when weight classes didn't exist, ie. for most of the time combat sports actually existed.

And if you look at the studies about boxers' punching power, you'd realize that punching power doesn't correlate with increasing weight anyway. Neither does punching speed decrease with increasing weight, btw.

Again: Neither punching power nor punching speed are significantly influenced by weight class in boxing. Dunno about wrestling.

I love it when literal dumb asses like you get on some sort of intellectual high horse because it's very easy to tear you down from it.

For starters, it's nice to see your first argument consists of arguing like a woman. Putting words in my mouth to make my argument seem dumber, thus easier to attack hu? When the fuck did I ever say that lifting weights is "THE ONLY" reason a smaller guy would out grapple a lanklet?

Obviously there is plenty of skill and technique involved, but the added strength helps when it comes to grappling. If you can't see how strength helps with grappling, then you don't know even basic physics.

As a Judoka who competes regularly, and who follows training regimes of other Judoka. It's no surprise that the modern day Grappler really is a modern athlete who does all forms of lifting and strength training as well as other forms of athletic training.

We've seen these latest champions use more strength than technique in comparison to the past. (which has created some resentment with traditionalists, since Judo is considered by many an art that's not meant to be about strength)

The only thing I'll concede you were right in and I was wrong in, is that you were originally talking about striking arts. I didn't read your first message and I just wrote in response to the last few messages you and that other guy were responding back and forth with each other, in which the word "fighter" was thrown around without me having knowledge of the context.

I agree, in Striking arts, strength doesn't really matter as much except for a couple of instances here and there.

Cardio, timing, speed, and technique matters the most in striking arts.

>I love it when literal dumb asses like you get on some sort of intellectual high horse because it's very easy to tear you down from it.
Oh God, here comes the American again. Dumb as shit.

>For starters, it's nice to see your first argument consists of arguing like a woman. Putting words in my mouth to make my argument seem dumber, thus easier to attack hu? When the fuck did I ever say that lifting weights is "THE ONLY" reason a smaller guy would out grapple a lanklet?
Is that supposed to be a rebuttal? Strawmanning much? It was implied because we were talkign about weightlifting and it's influence on the force of combat techniques. I dunno why you started with grappling, but hey, you're an American.

>Obviously there is plenty of skill and technique involved, but the added strength helps when it comes to grappling. If you can't see how strength helps with grappling, then you don't know even basic physics.
But we're talking about strikng, you idiot. Oh God, why am I even answering this shit?

>As a Judoka who competes regularly, and who follows training regimes of other Judoka
And here we start with the making shit up phase of the American discussion technique.

>I agree, in Striking arts, strength doesn't really matter as much except for a couple of instances here and there.
And you're still doing an insulting tl;dr wall of text? Ah fuck it, I'm out, you go fap to black cocks or something, like all Americans do.

You're just saying "WRONG WRONG WRONG", but all MMA combat sports knowledge to this very day says otherwise.

We've seen fighters go up and down a weight class or two and find themselves a completely different fighter at a more comfortable weight.

Fighters try to fight at their most comfortable weight while still not losing attributes, this applies more to wrestling than striking, but do you seriously think it doesn't apply to striking? I mean, we saw the best shape we ever saw Buster Douglas DESTROY a Prime Mike Tyson, then, when it came time for him to defend his belt, he came in heavier, and lacked the speed he had.

But forget about that, in MMA there has been PLENTY of Open Weight fights that have happened in our history of the sport, and not everyone tries to get as big as humanly possible, they try to get as big as possible without losing attributes such as speed and stamina.

We also saw what happened to Nate Diaz in welterweight. Or Conor McGregor in Welterweight.

>Hurrr duurururr American hurrr durrr American

God you're so fucking gay, no, not gay as in faggot, but gay as in GAY.

but what if the bodybuilder was equally psycho

>Oh god, here comes the American again, dumb ass shit

Strawman, the irony from the retard yelling the word strawman first.

>Is that supposed to be a rebuttal

LOL AND THE YOU PROCEED TO SAY

>Strawmaning much?

HAHAHAHA god you have no self awareness.

>It's implied because we're...

No idiot, it's not implied, you implied it. Next time don't work on implications like some sort of double digit I.Q. retard who hail from countries that have never done anything important in the last couple of decades.

>But we're talking about striking

I already acknowledged that, idiot, can't you read you imbecile?

>And here we start with the making shit up face

Another strawman from the idiot with a typical female lack of self awareness, boost your test levels bro. Oh... is believing someone competes in a sport that's well known world wide so unbelievable for the complete loser? Bet you think a college degree is also unobtainable LOL

>more and more strawmaning

Thanks for letting everyone know that only people who attack people on the basis of being American, are the real retards.

If he can't fight, he can't fight. Doesn't matter how big he is.

a pro bodybuilder with 6 months mma training will destroy any mma under 160lbs no matter how good you are

Neck yourself

agree

All successful fighters do strength training, you fucking retard. They don't do SS or bodybuilding routines, but specially tailored training, designed to complement their training. But I guess you dimwitted faggot are neither lifting or fighting and just running your cocksucker's mouth.

DAMN, Scarlett Johansson looks like THAT?

Are you from Eastern Europe by any chance? Because they like to have contrarian opinions and getting butthurt like hell when someone disagrees with their delusions.

Lifting helps prevent injury. Good luck training with a torn ACL or labrum because you neglected lifting.
>source: my labrum

I don't fight

What a terrible example. Nate Diaz has a 19-11 record. He's mediocre at best.

lifting improves rate of force generation which is the main ingredient for striking as well as sprinting, vertical leap and most other movements associated with sports. this loaded vs unloaded movements shit youre talking about is pure nonsense and is not supported by sports science at all. Please name me a sport where the elite dont do some resistance training, at least in the off season. Spoiler, you cant.

Are you fucking retarded? He was stronger than most people his whole career he always lifted. Watch his early fights.