Time to settle the debate, do you lift for size or strength?
Size Pros
>actually look like you lift instead of looking like a fat shit that talks about being strong
>aesthetics
Strength Pros
>Can actually lift sizable weight
Hypertrophy or Strength
Mason Richardson
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Benjamin Ross
As a natty though strength = size
Hudson Young
Both
Nicholas Foster
This.
Heavy compounds followed by high rep isolations. Get strong and then give them muscles a nice fluff'n'pump.
Michael Anderson
I got myself to where i was struggling though working sets with 1/2/3/4, then started hitting those for hypertrophy. Feels a lot better on my joints and body to rep out with 225 than to do small sets with higher weight. And I've got bad knees so I just squat 2.5 pl8 for volume. Pretty pleased with my aesthetics now.
Luke Cooper
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Jackson Robinson
Does this honestly work for you?
Whenever I have done strength training and high rep isolations, I have seen almost no progress with size
However, when I am on a program like ppl with 8-12 rep ranges, I feel like I see a bit more size increase
Luke Harris
>However, when I am on a program like ppl with 8-12 rep ranges, I feel like I see a bit more size increase
Pump and/or more glycogen storage. It's not like you'd be able to see your "muscle" increase weekly, or even monthly. So how would you possibly notice a difference?
Cooper Brown
progress pics at the beginning and end of 6 month programs
Jackson Miller
of course, I guess I dont really know
it could be all in my head because it is actually pretty hard to tell now that i look back at the pics
all I really know is that I look better than when I started
Elijah Martin
Yes. Strength gains alone add mass. Mass equals aesthetics. Fluffing and pumping only adds to size and ability to get past stalls in heavy compounds via hitting weaknesses before they even arise. After a session my pump is godly looking. I lift less then a guy i know by a lot, we're roughly the same bf level. Yet I look like I've been lifting longer than him, even without post session pump.
Bentley Cooper
Probably a stupid question, but if strength programs do better with building size, then why do hypertrophy routines like PPL, greyskull, or PHUL even exist?
Aaron Young
I lift to look good. Couldn't care less about how many plates or whatever or 1 rep maxes. I choose weight that I can do to failure in my rep rage every set with controlled form both while lifting and lowering the weight. And I need to see my body show progress more than the weight on the bar. The tape around the chest/arms/legs needs to show good progress more than just the amount of weight.
Evan Smith
I enjoy ego-lifting, OP. So I'm following a strenght routine.
It depends a lot, mate. If you feel good doing it, then keep doing it. But keep liftin', and, eventually, gains will come.
But I switch back and forty between strenght and hypertrophy.
Gotta confuse the muscle.
Joshua Sullivan
Bumper. Also, what do each of those things mean?
Hudson Gonzalez
Strength. I'm a manlet and want to get as strong as possible while looking dyel, mostly because I think it's funny.
Ethan Ross
So basically after doing modified GSLP for a month and a half and fucking around with it I decided to switch back so SS.
What upper body and arms exercises can I add?
I am already a semi-T Rex mode DYEL
Grayson Diaz
Yup
Lincoln Diaz
>PPL
Push/Pull/Legs. One day you do exercises centered around pushing movements, the next pulling, and the third legs.
>Greyskull
An intermediate program. Just google it to have a look at what it entails.
>PHUL
Stands for power hypertrophy upper lower. I'm not as familiar with this one, but I think it's Upper and Lower body alternating on different days as well as alternating between exercises that emphasize power and then hypertrophy alternating. It's an easy google though, much easier to understand when you see the routine yourself.
Easton Hughes
Why not train for both?
Tyler Powell
Hypertrophy builds more muscle mass than strength training. Strength routines are not optimal for mass.
Oliver Butler
Strength, and not dying. I don't need to lift for girls; happily married. I do have a lifestyle that involves a lot of canoeing and camping in the summer and walking around in the woods with a pack and rifle in the fall. This often results in having to haul large dead animals out of the woods.
Also, I'm Type II. I don't want my feet to rot off.
Luke Cooper
No
Charles Bailey
My first ~4 years of lifting were just regular bodybuilding on a hypertrophy routine, which made me reach a solid upper athletic/ripped mode, and what I deem to be a good 95% of my natty mass limit. However, after that I was still weak for my size (still am, kinda) so I decided to get on a pure strength approach as well. Currently enjoying hitting PRs, although I'm not gaining further size it seems my CNS and ligaments are catching up to make full use of my muscles
Jack Myers
People who think there's a difference between size and strength have neither.
Landon Lee
t. newbie lifter. What's your arm size, for example?
Isaac Evans
Liam Flores
Nicholas Thompson
Size and strength aren't mutually exclusive. It's essentially impossible to lift "for size" without gaining strength and impossible to lift "for strength" without gaining size.