Low-fat diets could raise the risk of early death by almost one quarter, a major study has found. The Lancet study of 135,000 adults found those who cut back on fats had far shorter lives than those enjoying plenty of butter, cheese and meats.
European Society of Cardiology Congress, in Barcelona found those with low intake of saturated fat raised chances of early death by 13 per cent compared to those eating plenty.
And consuming high levels of all fats cut mortality by up to 23 per cent.
Researcher Dr Andrew Mente, from McMaster University, said: “Our data suggests that low fat diets put populations at increased risk for cardiovascular disease.
The study was basically about the diet differences between rich people and poor people. Richer people can afford fatty foods, poorer people rely on white rice and other cheap processed foods. Poorer people have a much higher rate of death from all causes than more well-off people, separate from whatever effect their diet has.
Levi Young
What are you talking about? fatty foods are cheap as shit. You can bulk buy fatty frozen meat for dirt cheap and you can easily live on $45 a week. The expensive shit is avocado and cheese which is optional.
Jayden Ortiz
> fatty foods are cheap as shit.
You live in America
Jacob Bailey
but fat is 35%~ of my calories
Tyler Gonzalez
Do the rich who eat fatty foods on the regular have higher mortality? Because people in other countries who have to subsist on mostly vegan and fished foods and are active out of necessity tend to live very well and long.
I think modern strict veganism is a ploy and people would die from it more then people who eat a relatively clean omni diet.
David Williams
>huffington post
This isn't /r/cuckold
Piss off.
Jason Flores
>Do the rich who eat fatty foods on the regular have higher mortality?
They tend not to because their lives are less stressful and they can afford medical care. The poor live in squalor and die more of infectuous disease or work-related accidents. The countries they looked at included places like Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. The differences in what they eat are less important than why they eat it.
Dominic Flores
I was trying to find some silly-billy study proving that low fat diets led to longer life, but I kept finding the same study you found.
Charles Gomez
OP, you serious? That shit study has been debunked several times already.
Charles Anderson
Not that I like vegans or anything, but I don't think most of them eat low-fat. They still eat nuts and include oil in their diet.
There's no such thing as easy stress eating in the nations you mention user. But I would like to see a real fair study done on healthy vegans healthy keto people and healthy omnivores who are all living relatively healthy stress free lives and exercise frequently.
Not this bullshit where they compare vegans who have a regimented healthy active life and the average obese fast food eater.
Liam Stewart
>implying chad does some autistic diet like keto >implying chad doesn't live off pizza, wings, and beer all while having a better body than you ketofags could ever hope to attain
Christian Sullivan
>There's no such thing as easy stress eating in the nations you mention user.
Obviously some people have it harder than others. If you're so poor that the only food you can afford is a sack of rice after working an 18 hour day harvesting cocao while your wife is dying of malaria at home and your children are malnourished with stunted growth, you've got more stress than the guy who has enough money to buy adequate food and other comforts.
>But I would like to see a real fair study done on healthy vegans healthy keto people and healthy omnivores who are all living relatively healthy stress free lives and exercise frequently.
>Not this bullshit where they compare vegans who have a regimented healthy active life and the average obese fast food eater.
This doesn't really happen either. I don't know where people get that idea. For one, you'd never see people not matched for at the very least BMI and physical activity in a study, and there's nothing about a vegan diet that requires people to be physically active or even to eat healthy foods. People who are active or interested in healthy eating are more likely to eat something more lauded like the mediterranean diet, and eat fish and chicken.
Benjamin Richardson
>Obviously some people have it harder than others. If you're so poor that the only food you can afford is a sack of rice after working an 18 hour day harvesting cocao while your wife is dying of malaria at home and your children are malnourished with stunted growth, you've got more stress than the guy who has enough money to buy adequate food and other comforts. >In India for example, one of the countries used in the study, people with the least amount of assets had a 300% increased mortality risk compared to those with the highest journals.plos.org/plosone
That doesn't actually mean anything. They have less access to meat and are more active then people who do have meat. They do not live longer and the people who have access to meat don't live too much better in india anyway. Unless you're pretending that the top 1% means fucking anything there and not including people who simply have more access to meat and have an american equivalent middle class life.
>This is probably the closest we have to that. >ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/ Inflamatory title and it uses the adventists study. The adventists who've been outed as lying about the relative health of the members of their organization for long as fuck years. This not, in any way, what I ask for.
>This doesn't really happen either. user, this is exactly what happens when veganism is compared to omnivorous eating. There has never been an even half decent controlled study done ever.
Sebastian Richardson
...so just eat vegan, but don't be a 90/5/5 or 80/10/10 fruity hippy, chow down that tempeh burger and the peanut butter. Got it >people would die from it more then people who eat a relatively clean omni diet. >Idiots who can't put 2 and 2 together will die About time, I'd like the world to drop a 20-40% in population
Alexander Collins
>be me >start on pic related >the moment you forgo vegetable oils >and increase meats >energy suddenly spikes >have trouble sleeping because of so much energy >have to start meditative sessions and prepare to deal with increased energy levels over longer term just to be able to sleep again.
whew, very neat.
Evan Johnson
>They have less access to meat and are more active then people who do have meat.
I don't know what you're thinking of as activity, but the poor in Bangladesh are not going on leisurely jogs. The study wasn't even necessarily on diet-related outcomes. All-cause mortality can be anything from a heart attack to dying of AIDS. Any way you want to look at it, being poor is itself a major risk factor for death from all causes, and animal foods and fat are strongly associated with increased wealth.
>Inflamatory title and it uses the adventists study. >The adventists who've been outed as lying about the relative health of the members of their organization for long as fuck years.
Any info on that you can send my way?
>user, this is exactly what happens when veganism is compared to omnivorous eating. There has never been an even half decent controlled study done ever.
Show me one study about anything diet-related that doesn't match participants by BMI and physical activity.
Carson Roberts
>cringe thread
Lucas Perry
Chad just naturally ends up with keto, he doesn't need to watch what he eats. His instincts take care of it.
Jonathan Robinson
>the title offends me >the study is therefore wrong
Jacob Stewart
>pizza >keto pick one
Michael Flores
>bupgers
fuckin kekd
Kayden Gomez
This research paper that you speak of, was released in 2015. The researcher himself never said that low fat diet will kill you. What he said is, that "Low fat diet is not particularly effective in fighting CVD because it is difficult to sustain". What you did, or whoever wrote this article, is took the first part of the sentence and thought: Since "low fat diet is bad for CVD" then that means that "High-fat diet is good for CVD"! And since milk,diary,meat have loads of fats - "milk, meat, cheese are therefore good". The fact that CVD is a disease that can kill you - there comes the final statement:
"Low fat diet can kill you"
This is called data/info manipulation. And this article you wrote is not genuine and truthful to the original paper.
Overall there is better research on CVD that is able to proof how much a human can benefit from a high carb low fat diet.
Nolan Campbell
We must be outside their business hours. Give the v*gans some time to sign in at VIDF headquarters
Gavin Torres
You're dumb. The research this refers to was published last month on THE LANCET.
Jace Morgan
>i didn't read the study
Easton Peterson
bro... im on keto myself. all i can say is it works for me but it doesnt mean it works for you. veganism doesnt work for me cause its malnutrition but it works for a few others. my problem is that vegans mostly spread lies and false facts to underminde their bullshit ideology. keto is red pilled nutrition, your body is much more effective while being in ketosis
>Richer people can afford fatty foods over here high grade olive oil is about twice as expensive as the cheapest pasta per calorie. Do you live in some third world country where fat doesn't exist or what?
Landon Johnson
>avoid GMO good goy
Leo Wood
>over here >Do you live in some third world country
So you have no idea what the study was about.
Tyler Robinson
We investigated the influence of socioeconomic status and poverty using four different measures of socioeconomic status to adjust in the analysis of the associations between different nutrient intakes and total mortality and cardiovascular disease events. These were household wealth, household income, education, and economic level of the country subdivided by urban and rural locations. When we included education in the models, the estimates of association were robust. Additionally, we adjusted for study centre as a random effect which takes into account socioeconomic factors and clustering by community. When we reanalysed the data using household income, household wealth, or economic level of the country our results were unchanged
Jeremiah Rogers
>When it comes to assessing diet, we can statistically adjust mortality rates for income and education between urban Canadians and whose lifestyles are somewhat similar, but not between the rich and poor in Asia or an African country, or even worse, statistical adjustments when lumping Canadians with the rich and poor of a place like India.
Ryder Morris
>Avoid legumes
Tyler Murphy
Wow the opinion of a vegan orthopedic surgeon who didn't even have access to the dataset versus hundreds of researchers who did the study and the entire lancet editorial board
It's amazing how far vegans will go to defend the epidemiology they like and dismiss anything else they disagree with
Cameron Williams
Statistical adjustment isn't magic. There are limits to what you can do with it. The scope was so broad in this study with the range of countries they used, it would be impossible to do accurately, especially in cross-country comparisons.
Bentley Smith
>the limit goes all the way to my bias and not one step further k
Aiden Reed
Realize that we're talking about a study including countries like Zimbabwe, Malaysia, and Iran. The differences between the richer and poorer are not small enough to be adjusted out that simply.
You should read this article
Jayden Price
People love hearing good news about their bad habits.
First world people live longer than third world people.
Such a news flash.
This data is trash.
Jacob Allen
The hundreds of researchers who did the study and the Lancet evidently disagree A Katz op-ed which would invariably be citing and defending the study if the results conformed to his alternative medicine organization's beliefs is not an argument
Aiden Perry
It doesn't matter how many researchers were involved in data collecting, and the editors of The Lancet or any other journal aren't required or expected to make sure a paper adjusts its data in the best possible way.
To ignore the context of the associations and use this paper to say "ketofags live longer" would be extremely dishonest.
Zachary Young
and the overwhelming data says they do not. this was paid for by Meat Shills anyways. all kinds of headline grabbing jewry here.
Asher Powell
>To be quite clear about it, there was no adjustment for, or even mention of, access to a hospital or medical care in the PURE papers. >The researchers examined the replacement of carbohydrate as percentage of calories, with fat as a percentage of calories, but did not report variation in total calories, or the degree to which very high intake of carbohydrate as a percent of that total correlated with very low calorie intake overall, and malnutrition. Looking across the several papers, it is apparent that correlation is strong. There was also no examination of what replacing one kind of fat with another did to health outcomes, a kind of dietary variation that might have more to do with choice, and less to do with socioeconomics.
>Also, by way of reminder: the HIGHEST levels of both total fat, and saturated fat intake observed in the PURE data were still LOWER then prevailing levels in the U.S. and much of Europe, providing no basis whatsoever for headlines encouraging people already exceeding these levels to add yet more meat, butter, and cheese to their diets
Dominic Lee
>he doesnt down a gallon of extra fatty quark with a jar of hazelnut spread every morning you rpobably think this is a joke but i actually do this
Samuel Morris
>believing humans are even supposed to eat animal products >not realizing that if humans were suppoed to eat meat, then we'd have carnivorous instincts and eat the fur, organs, and entirety of the animal. >not realizing that consuming another animal's milk is completely unnatural and the process speaks for itself
Isaiah Wilson
i like my beans, potatoes and bread. :)
Leo Garcia
>b-b-but we need fat from animal products !!! non-vegans BTFO
Luis Smith
I'm sympathetic to you but images like that don't help your message
Jonathan Moore
>believing humans are even supposed to eat animal products >not realizing that if humans were suppoed to eat meat, then we'd have carnivorous instincts and eat the fur, organs, and entirety of the animal. >What are organ meats Also we do and have. And. >time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/ >livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html >livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html >People who read books know a fact that vegetarians do not- that at one point in history, the Earth's total population of humans dropped to between 5,000 and 10,000 individuals, due to the eruption of Mt. Toba in Sumatra, which killed off most of the available plant and animal life on Earth in 71,000 BC. During this period of time, humans were confined to an >extraordinarily small area of Africa that escaped glaciation, where they subsisted on a diet that was "approximately 50-70% meat and 50-30% plants, respectively." This diet was necessitated by the die-off of plants and animals, and the lack of a varied diet that could have been otherwise obtained though plant gathering. It was at this time that the Neanderthal diet came to consist of naught but meat, due to the complete lack of availability of edible vegetation, which likely lasted for at least 1000 years.(Plants/climate) >chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/07/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as.html?zx=19c1d9e7ae7f06a5 >(cont.)
James Ortiz
>memescience
Veeky Forums is so fucking lame now that plebbit normies have flooded it
Jaxson Scott
Overadjustment is easily grounds for rejection Peer-review of hundreds with direct access to the data is more valuable than someone just emptily claiming it's improperly adjusted without nonetheless not even making any kind of rigorous statistical argument based on it Literally every diet cult is being extremely dishonest about this study
Joseph Mitchell
that theory only works if there was one human species, there wasn't. debunked and dunked
>you're not a baby cow. Humans are the only species on the planet that drinks the milk of another species
Like cats? I give my cats milk all the time. Dogs? Yup, they love that shit too. All mammals love milk and only stop drinking it because their mothers stop producing it.
Predators constantly kill pregnant mammals and you bet your ass they tear open those delicious udders and drink anything inside.
Lactose intolerance is a disease
Caleb Perry
Cheese being compared to heroine or something
>No one can be this retarded
Jason Thomas
Humans eat organs you fuckwad. Also, why are our digestive tracts so short compared to herbivores? Why do we lack the same amount of protective enamel as herbivores?
Maybe humans are OMNIvores you fucking IDIOT. Your food privilege has blinded you to the realities of existence. You are such a massive faggot it's incomprehensible.
Joseph Smith
>This level of not reading
Ayden Peterson
No other animal naturally eats food from completely different environments either. By that logic, anyone born in Europe shouldn't ever eat a kiwi. Potato? Not for Irish, those are from South America.
Maybe food and its constituent nutrients are just that; amalgams of nutrients in carbohydrate, protein, and fat latices that are melted down by the hydrochloric acid in our stomachs to their smallest forms for the bacteria in our guts.
You all are beyond helping.
Daniel Cox
>Overadjustment is easily grounds for rejection
It happens all the time. In this case it's more underadjustment though. The journal doesn't tell them "you better adjust for hospital access," they just make sure the authors' adjustments were calculated correctly.
Alexander Cook
Keto+IF+monthly 3 days and semi-annual 5 day master race reporting in
What have you all done today to ensure the reversal of the damage the modern diet and sugar have caused to you while also ensuring a strong body and will?
Aaron Thomas
>The Lancet only cares about syntactical validity not semantics >their model is overadjusted because fruits and vegetables don't show enough of an effect I like and underadjusted because macronutrients don't show an effect I like
Leo Miller
The journal isn't the one who decides how the data is adjusted, that's the study authors' job. Very few papers would get published if journals had strict requirements like that.
Dominic Lewis
t. hindawi author
Levi Nguyen
>keto + IF
Could you be any more of a walking meme?
Holy shit, people on this board are so fucking autistis, I also bet you're fat as fuck.
Adrian Smith
you come off as the guy that shits up the /fat/ threads and tells them to take tren+clen
Ryan Ross
>2 servings of meat >A day >"Only" What the fuck? Is this normal in America?
David Scott
But a vegan diet isn't necessarily a low fat diet.
Cooper Torres
Yes, are you poor?
Ryan Turner
If by "poor" you mean planning to not get killed by my shitty diet in less than 30 years, then yes, I am poor
Carson Rogers
You'd know, you've completely cut off cheese, haven't you?
Nathan Rivera
>Brainlets still publicizing the PURE study.
Just go back to your shitty fad diet that will kill you in your forties. You're obviously too stupid to resist supplement marketing, why would we expect you not to fall for shit science propagated by meat, dairy, and egg industries?
Oliver Johnson
>the supplement, meat, dairy, and egg industries propagate shit science >my vegan studies are flawless and perfect, buy my vegan cookbook
Hunter Sanchez
>science says bad things about animal products >mommy make the bad man stop
Jackson James
Yeah man, Big Spinach is behind all this fake science
Oliver Price
Please tell me how you're going to consume a large amount of fat when all you've got to eat are vegetables, fruit, and legumes?
Jeremiah Anderson
not the guy youre replying to, but vegans tend to compare vegans/vegetarians vs normal people.
Vegans and vegetarians are generally more health concious, and are less likely to be low income individuals. The average guy has a horrible diet and do not exercise.
Comparing the average diet to anything will make any other diet look good. That doesnt mean the other diet is the best for optimal health and longevity.
Mason Hall
>Vegans only eat vegetables, fruit and legumes >what are nuts, seeds, peanuts (legume), avocado (fruit) and oils (from fruit, like olives for example) user, I...
Hunter Hughes
Don't be a fat blob and eat an entire pizza by yourself and yeah, you can eat pizza while on keto.
Tyler Williams
>i mislabel my stupid views as science and if real science doesn't conform them then it's not science at all! absolutely disgusting
Jayden Lopez
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Nicholas Brown
Strawman means that I mistepresented your argument. Your argument was that veganism and vegan science is backed by some weird ulterior motive, which you didn't disclose of course because you're full of shit. I made fun of you, so I won that internet argument with logic while not committing any fallacy in the meantime. Take that, random internet stranger.
>dat non-existent reading comprehension It's okay, dude. You can stop praising me as the winner now.
Easton Garcia
>Still not listing the supposed motive behind veganism >Implying all the activists and doctors who promote it have books to sell >Implying that the cow industry jew wants what's good for you >Implying the (((blogbosts))) you cite don't cite as their references (((books I have to buy from amazon))) Y A W N A W N
Josiah Butler
Because nuts, seeds, coconut (personal fave), and olive oil don't come from animals, you're welcome for letting you in the know. :^)
Keep pretending we don't get enough nutrients and you'll never convince a good vegan. Find a way to prove eating meat is a legitimately superior way to get nutrients and health benefits.
Jayden Gutierrez
This is false- it's a broscience myth that needs to stop. In fact, there are some studies that show vegans with low fiber in their diet aren't particularly healthy. They're called junk food vegans- they're vegan for moral reasons and they are generally the ones the the low measurements of vitamins and minerals that are pointed to by all main stream supplement hawks/keto/paleo/atkins fad diet pushers as reasons vegan diets are unhealthy. Junk food vegans are the ones eating fake pizzas, fake meats, and fake substitutes of the standard american diet- rather than fruits and vegetables- as evidence by their low fiber intake, and the foods they report eating.
There's even a study that puts couch potato vegans against ultra marathon runners to find comparable bmi and the vegans still have less atherosclerosis.
Exercise is good for you, but not as good at eating a ton of fruits, veg, beans, nuts, and seeds- because your body is efficient at expending energy- it's hard to out exercise your mouth. Going up 70 flights of steps in 20 minutes only burns about 3 oreos worth of calories.
We have plenty of studies to control for these factors you're pointing to. Yes, anyone concerned about their health and making an effort to exercise and "eat right" will fare better than those eating the standard American diet- but no that's not what you're seeing when vegans are compared to other non-vegan populations. Even when you control for exercise, even when you control for calories- vegans simply out perform omnivores in health outcomes like diabetes, obesity, cancer, and cardiovascular disease.
Dominic Hernandez
>There's even a study that puts couch potato vegans against ultra marathon runners to find comparable bmi and the vegans still have less atherosclerosis.
Ultra marathons runners arent peak of healthy, They get a lot of health/injury issues due to their excess training
And exercise(lifting with some cardio) will bring more health benefits than any diet can. And from the studies ive seen there is no difference between health councious meat eaters, vegans and vegetarians in terms of health and longevity.
People in the "blue zones" (people with the highest % of people above 100 yrs) in the world have meat in their diets.
Ryder Ortiz
>I shift the burden of proof >I couldn't pass a psych 101 course explaining allegiance and ideological biases >I can only shit-fling memes and personal attacks because my low IQ only allows for a low level pop sci understanding of the field >I project my utilization of unscientific sources onto others and this is why reddit must stay in reddit