Why did Germany lose WW1? It's well known that the war was practically over in 1916...

>implying anyone cares about what wilson has to say

Mexico does

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>Make your entire strategy for victory be based on an awful plan
>It fails and you don't have a back up plan
>wtf the Jews must have done this

The war was over once the Schlieffen Plan failed. Everything that happened after was just the struggles of a drowning nation.

How about you read even just the wikipedia article for the war? 1916 was two years into past in 1918, the year that included

> Germany failing to crush France
> Western front moving back to German border with clear plans for an offensive into western Germany in early 1919
> Mediterranean front collapsing, with UK starting to make rapid gains in Ottoman Empire
> Greek front collapsing, with French-led Balkan forces reaching Hungarian border in november 1918
> Italian front collapsing, with Italy capturing 1/3 of the Austrian army in Italy and 80% of its artillery
> The aforementioned two leading to dissolution of Austria-Hungary in November 1918 and possibility of Italian/French armies being transported to the Austria-German border in mere weeks
> The failure of German Ostplan in East in securing the Ukrainian harvest of 1918 in order to feed the German citizens despite the English blockade
> Widespread internal opposition marked by strikes, political assemblies, talks of a revolution and the sailors mutiny that set the internal barrel to explode

After the collapse of Austria-Hungary, Germany saw that it had no way out of the war other than either surrendering in November 1918, or then fighting a bitter defensive war and be occupied possibly including a civil war of some sorts. For most wars of 19th century, it was rational to end them when the tipping point - like Nov 18 - had come. France surrendered after Battle of Sedan in 1870 after it lost 1/7th of its army in a single battle. Russia ended the Russo-Japanese war after Mukden/Tsushima despite it still being in fighting shape. Austria surrendered Italy after Solferino. Napoleon had every reason to believe Russia would surrender after Borodino.

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>War lasts too fucking long
>Nation is getting exhausted and drained
>British blockade starved people to death, creating massive faminess
>America joins the war, providing tons of fresh troops for reserve so there is literally no chance for you to win
>Losing the last chance offensive in Spring Offensive
>Sailors are revolting from all the harsh condition
>People and factory workers are fucking pissed from all the war shit and hunger
>Balkan front is just fucking done
>Italian front is just fucking done
>Entente are already close to Belgian borders and are about to shell Aachen and make counter offensive into Germany
>..."t-the jews d-did this! it's all ze jews fault! Grossdeutschlandgermanium can't lose! it's i-impossible! d-did you even see ze aesthetics and prussians marches?!"
"Stab in the back" is probably one of the worst memes krauts have ever fucking developed from their sick and subhuman mind. Any brainlet who unironically believes this shitty myth, is one very retarded individual.

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Entente logistics and combined arms tactics meant their troops were better supplied, and they didn't rely on expertly trained troops for an offensive.
2nd Piave, dude. There's a reason why it's the first time where Ludendorff felt the taste of defeat.

British blockade was evil and against the laws of war

Invasion and Rape of Belgium was evil and against the non-aggression treaties you signed.

You forgot to mention they would also use Belgians for forced labour

Right but mustard gas is totally OK

Desperation brought about by the stranglehold Britain placed on German supplies.
Britain also used chemical weapons

Perhaps it was unjust but fact is Germany was not going to come to peace terms and you would've had hundreds of thousands if not millions more killed in a pointless bitterender struggle otherwise. And it's not like the Germans were averse to dragging non-combatants into the war, people forget they'd been strategically bombing the UK with zeppelins for four years.

What I'm saying is, when you get to the point where your nation is engaged in a ruthless industrial war of attrition with competing imperial superpowers, you really shouldn't be surprised when the "laws of war" are bent

Imagine being so historically illiterate that you unironically take the “stabbed in the back” myth seriously

Ludendorff ruined everything with that myth. Acknowledge your defeat instead of making excuses.

Why did Italy fight against Germany in WW1 but ally with them in WW2 ?

Belgium resisted the German advance. They deserve what they got

>stabbed in the back
it's a meme invented by butthurt germans

my dumbass put Lepanto instead of the Vittorio Venetto

Eternal Anglo reporting in with my honest and unironic opinion that the Battle of Mons arguably lost the Germans the war. As mentioned previously in this thread the First Battle of the Marne was crucial, but what people often forget is that the French had an insane race against time to get their 6 armies to the field in time for the counter-attack before the Germans completely encircled them. The German armies were moving too fast.

At Mons the tiny BEF stood alone, massively outnumbered, against the entire German 1st Army commanded by von Kluck himself. Not only was the 1st Army the cream of the Imperial German Military, but also:

>The 1st Army had the greatest offensive power of the German armies, with a density of c.18,000 men per 1-mile (1.6 km) of front, or about ten per 1 metre (1.1 yd).[19]

There's also something undeniably romantic about the finest and best-trained riflemen in Europe (the BEF) going up against the vanguard of the most powerful German Army in German military history. At any rate, the 2 days bought by the BEF in this battle undoubtedly allowed the French to complete their maneuvers in order the stage their heroic counter-attack at the Marne thus denying Jerry his victory.

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Yeah, that's fair, it's either 2nd Piave or Vittorio Venetto, isn't it? Arguably you could see the two as the same sort of "battle" over a long stretch.

>ww1
Time to get back our rightful land!
italy declared war on germany only in 1916
>ww2
Italian invasion of Ethiopia caused Italy to get closer to Germany because the allies refused to negotiate with italy after the public backlash of the pact

Also this how it began:

>The first substantial action occurred on the morning of 22 August. At 6:30 a.m., the 4th Dragoon Guards laid an ambush for a patrol of German lancers outside the village of Casteau, to the north-east of Mons. When the Germans spotted the trap and fell back, a troop of the dragoons, led by Captain Hornby gave chase, followed by the rest of his squadron, all with drawn sabres. The retreating Germans led the British to a larger force of lancers, whom they promptly charged and Captain Hornby became the first British soldier to kill an enemy in the Great War, fighting on horseback with sword against lance. After a further pursuit of a few miles, the Germans turned and fired upon the British cavalry, at which point the dragoons dismounted and opened fire.

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Can someone explain this meme

Sadly it's the kind of thing people want to believe.

Every European empire was morally bankrupt anyway.

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>It's well known that the war was practically over in 1916, Germany had the undoubted upper hand.
What are you talking about? Germany was prostrate by 1916, and only the lucky collapse of the Russians gave them a new lease on life.

Overextension, their fronts expanded well beyond what they could feasibly supply
Screwing around with Soviet Russia was a bad idea, if Germany had jumped onto some of the smaller buffer states in the East or done something with Finland or Sweden to minimize Russian expansion possibilities from the start rather than backstab themselves into a retarded land invasion it would have helped tremendously. Hell, not raping Poland to death would have worked well too, but raping Poland and G*Rmanic heritage go hand in hand.

Also was a pretty bad move to take on so many deadweight autistic allies; Italy was a net zero but Japan actively fucked Germany over by dragging America into the war without accomplishing anything themselves, and again Barbarosa was so pants-on-head retarded it can't even be quantified.

Germany easily had the power to reclaim an extent of land equivalent to the HRE's dominance of continental Europe and probably could have gotten away with taking most of France (especially if Franco's Spain stayed strong), but Hitler tried to play 4D chess.

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Romania joined the Entente in 1916. Pretty shit military on its own, but helped tip the scales.

Honestly it's the same story as WW2, but ignored much more. The allies just out produced them, in men, material and money.

When you read Ernst Jungers memoir and other WW1 memoirs on both sides, its pretty clear that the central powers weren't just chronically short on food but on all supplies, especially artillery. The Entente could easily bombard the Germans 24/7 to an intense level, the Germans on the other hand had to stockpile for months to be able to do the same intensity of bombardment for just a short period, like the Spring Offensive.

The Entente had a much more comfortable time in the war than the Central powers.

The zionists in brittan made america go to war for brittan and in return they got Palestine, how many times do i have to post this?
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Ironic

>Tannenberg
Can't agree with this one, one the contrary it was a resounding victory that kept Germany in the war.

>Germany had the undoubted upper hand
In 1914, there was a reasonable chance of France getting overrun. In 1915, there was still a chance for a German breakthrough. 1916 was the last year where Germany had a reasonable chance of pulling something off. By 1917, they were toast. By 1918 they were super-toast.

Canadian shock troops

Fixed your image OP

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Aquitaine should also be British. The world owes us that much.

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Why does Italy own Catalonia

Why does England own an England-shaped piece of Turkey

Why does Germany own Denmark

Wilson made some very aggressive interventions in the Mexican revolution.

Because their enemies still had millions of troops ready to fight?
While French morale was low, the French soldiers were still willing to fight for France. The mutinies were against their leaders, not their country.
Even with Central Powers victory over Romania they didn't seize that much grain and oil.
Both Austria-Hungary and the Ottomans had no resources to conduct a major offensive operations and the Bulgarians were set on defending their newly seized territories instead of performing offensives on their own.

that's literally what he meant by calling it "pivotal", retard.

The bongs and frogs screwed the Italians with Versailles, much as they did to Japan. Italy and Japan screwed them right back a couple decades later.

Based

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>Italy and Japan screwed them right back a couple decades later.
Japan maybe, it at least humiliated the British in the Pacific. Italy flailed worthlessly against France in what was a sideshow theater for both nations involved. They put up a much better show in the Mediterranean but needed their chestnuts pulled out of the fire in North Africa as well.

>Why does Italy own Catalonia
To secure the Mediterranean.

>Why does England own an England-shaped piece of Turkey
I thought Britain should get a piece of Turkey to make up for the land lost to Israel. The shape is purely coincidental, although I can kind of see the resemblance.

>Why does Germany own Denmark
Danes are basically Germans. Besides, it doesn't own all of Denmark, the Danes get to keep Sjælland.

>Be allied with the sick men of Europe
>Have to constantly bail them out against big bad Russia
>Fight a war against the greatest navel power
>Enemies have twice as much man power as you
Gee, I wonder. Germany could only win in a quick bout. They both were bound to lose in a war of attrition

based AND robust

>It's well known that the war was practically over in 1916, Germany had the undoubted upper hand. What happened?
Their enemies didn't give up. Russia was pretty badly beaten but they kept on fighting. If Germany had managed to get the Tsar to enter peace talks, then they would have won WWI (or rather: they would have managed to enter peace talks with terms in their favour).
Since the Tsar did not enter peace talks, France and Britain kept up their military efforts as well and managed to keep Germany busy until the naval blockade did its work and Germany ran out of steam.

>desperation brought on by the war
Yes because Germany and its people were on their knees in April 1915. Also nice "b-b-but the allies did it too", this is like saying "yeah I know I punched you first but you had the audacity to punch back."

Not the guy you're talking to and I disagree about the naval blockade being inhumane for some reason but gas has a worse reputation than it deserves. The survivability of a gas attack is much higher than from conventional artillery and many people fully recovered opposed to being blown to shreds, horribly maimed and permanently disfigured.

>"Stab in the back" is probably one of the worst memes krauts have ever fucking developed from their sick and subhuman mind

I think "War Guild Clause" is worse just because people today still believe it.

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>muh blockade
I used to fall for this bullshit. Now I know better. Germany wasn't alone in being blockaded. In fact, Germany itself was actively blockading the Baltic Sea to prevent Russia from buying or selling food during the war. The Black Sea was also under a de-facto blockade after the Turks mined the Dardanelles and the Sea of Marmara. So if the British blockade was a "war crime" then the Central Powers were just as guilty, if not more so.

>"Stab in the back" is probably one of the worst memes krauts have ever fucking developed from their sick and subhuman mind. Any brainlet who unironically believes this shitty myth, is one very retarded individual.
>Ludendorff actually stabbed the SPD in the back after the Spring Offensive failed because he didn't want to get blamed for losing the war
>turns around and blames the Jews instead
>everyone believes him

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The ottomans weren't *that* bad. They BTFO the bongs at Gallipoli at least.

>They BTFO the bongs at Gallipoli
At least we got a great movie out of the commonwealth's retarded kid brother.

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>one victory over the brits made due to the blunders of the Brits leadership and g*rmany help fueled turks retarded nationalistic belief that they somehow best the anglos
I cant believe how many time those people pull this out whenever i remind them of their decline

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>then abandoned
why?

In the 1920s the British Empire was hitting its peak. Overload of territories and Britain didn't need the hassle anyway - the plan was to give it to the Greeks instead. Sometimes a country can be TOO based for its own good. Britain's problem: too much winning.

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>In the 1920s the British Empire was hitting its peak.
kek, the meme empire was finished in 1920, dead man walking, and defaulted on their debts by 1931.

>war
>laws
>the losing side getting to decide those laws

>be dead man walking
>be a meme empire

>defeat the german empire
>defeat ottoman empire and take constantinople (which took the turks several hundred years and the russians never managed to do)
>carve up large parts of the world like a boss
>even spend a couple years after WW1 fighting a naval war with Russia and guarantee the independence of estonia

Based, vigorous, robust and absolutely halal.

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They went to war against a country that had a higher population and twice its GDP.

If it was just Germany vs. England and France they might have been able to capitulate France and make some kind of peace treaty with the British (if their lucky). But they had to bring America into the war, and funny thing is they still thought they could win 3 v 1 28 years later.

There where multiple was Germany could "win" WW1, its just their competence and the fall of imperialism prevented successful tactics and strategy.

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Germany lost the war long before America got involved. If anything, American involvement was a good thing for Germany because Americans had less resentment towards Germany during the Versailles negotiations.

This is propaganda used to convince people that the entirety of events between 1936-1945 were premeditated by someone who was simultaneously an unstable simpleton and the greatest evil mastermind of the century, along with willing lackeys comprising entire nations simply lying low for 20 years until the good people got weak.
Diplomacy between 1928 and 1938 is incredibly unstable and complicated and a cursory look at it alone offers multiple, viable visions for what could have taken place afterwards. Thousands of meetings between thousands of dignitaries decided the policies of the major powers, not one gutteral utterance from the (((History))) channel.

Based Italy beat the austro hungarian empire leaving Germany alone on the western front. They knew there was no going back. they surrendered before being conquered to have a less harsh punition.

>Based Italy beat the austro hungarian empire
You mean based Italy failed to make significant progress for 3 years on a single front against a dying empire until they finally started collapsing from literal starvation.

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>Based, vigorous, robust and absolutely halal.
...so vigorous they defaulted on their payments in 1931. The meme empire... morally and fiscally bankrupt.

It might be more accurate to say that Italy simply kept Austria-Hungary at bay. If Italy hadn't joined the war, then Austrian soldiers could have been shifted to the western front after 1917.

>This is propaganda
>get a load of ironic user

750,000 Germans starved to death from the British blockade let alone how many lived in poverty due to dwindling supplies

it wasn't a good thing. the treaty wasn't harsh enough to knock out germany, it turned out into a slap in the face. the eternal anglo feared neutering germany might make France too powerfull and the eternal burger didn't want to cripple a business partner.

>defaulted on payments during the great depression
Hmmmmmm

hmmm user, germany isn't an island, they could take the resources of all of eastern europe. the famine narrative was just a way for the eternal hun to be less punished.

Why didn't they then?

True, but the Italians certainly desired to do more.

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Well okay that's sad but the German navy was doing the exact same thing to Russia.

Germany need imports and the bongs took this oppprtunity to starve them

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I'm not defending Cadorna if that's what you're thinking. It kind of baffles me that he got to stay in command for so long when other generals like Joffre got canned for less.

The answer to this question, and hundreds of others is simply German Autism.
It is a very severe condition that affects 1 out of every 1 German speaking person.
It causes brain degradation that leads to impossible stupid decision making. Possible side effects include : We Wuzzing, We dindu nuffin, Blaming the Jews, Diarrhea, vommiting, getting raped by Russians and suicide.

If you or a loved one has German Autism, seek immediate medical attention.
You and all your neighbors are at extreme risk.
German Autism, dont let your first time be your last time, save a life.

they did, it tasted like shit and they prefered to starve

>defaulted on payments while claiming to be an "empire"
Hmmmmmmmmmm

Ah yes, mass executions of Serbian and Belgian civilians are totally fine, and so are chemical weapons

Germany got blockaded during the Franco-Prussian war as well. It just didn't end up mattering because Germany was able to win quickly.

I find it odd people dont talk about what a fucking absolute cunt/madman Ludendorff was
>start stab in the back because you cant admit you fucked up
>participated in both the Kapp Putsch and Beer Hall Putsch
>no consequences because you argued you were a senile fool who just happened to be there
He and Cadorna unironically should’ve been executed immediately after the war

>Germany is getting worried that their strategic situation is bad
>So they start a war
>They end up losing because it turned out that they were right about their strategic situation being bad.
What were they expecting to happen? You start wars when your position is good, you avoid wars when your position is bad.

Ludendorff should've honestly lived for another 8 years just so he could see Germany get absolutely assravaged again desu

I'd through Hotzendorf and Hindenburg in, fucking morons, the lot.

>Why did Germany lose WW1?
The truth is that German soldiers simply didn't fight very well. Most sources suggest that they were lazy, poorly motivated, and also very fat. Marksmanship was very bad as well, most soldiers had no idea how to even hold a rifle properly, and they often ended up shooting themselves or their fellow soldiers by accident. Usage of drugs, especially marijuana, was very prevalent among German soldiers during the war, despite desperate attempts by the High Command to clamp down on it.

>What were they expecting to happen? You start wars when your position is good, you avoid wars when your position is bad.

They were scared because they saw their position degrading from bad to worse over time, so they felt under pressure to act. Fundamentally what gripped the upper echelons of the German military was fear. And to be fair they did have a small chance of winning in 1914. The French Fifth Army was nearly encircled early on before Marne, if they had actually happened they probably would have won the war.

One of the most interesting aspects to my mind is that the German Army was confident of handling France and Russia but knew if Britain entered the war things would be much harder, and the top people in the German government thought Britain would not enter the war. This was an important assumption they made. It's surprising they got it so badly wrong.

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