Why have black people had such a massive impact on American music?

Because it was one of the few fields where black people were allowed to be visible or successful.

look at the hippie movement in the 70's... the impact is ALL around us right now still in 2018. You can watch documentaries and the music scene during that time will 9 times out of 10 be mentioned and i've personally heard people say the movement was pretty much centred around the music and bands that were coming out at the time
Who facilitated that? those 'hippie' bands all seemed to have bags of cash if you do research. literally bags of cash. i.e. jeff airplane

without a doubt the people entered into that particular 'lifestyle' via the music, since its a gentle doorway so to speak and eases you in

Heres another way to look at it: (I'm purpsosefully leaving out jews wanting to destroy western civilisation aspects of this, lol)

Imagine you have a billion dollars in 1960 or whenever. You own multiple large companies in advertising, drug companies, maybe large share in a gun company, maybe shares in an automobile company maybe even the whole company. You and a group of other billionaires sometimes get together to discuss such topics as this. You are already extremely powerful individually, but together with your other billionaire friends, you can literally reshape continents...

Now so as to ensure you keep your fortune and actually grow a larger one what do you do? Consider you're rich enough to pretty much get away with murder, and when you decide on something... chances are it will impact MILLIONS of people nationwide/worldwide. So you have to think big.

Okay, so what do you do? Well maybe you promote a certain carefree nihlistic 'lifestyle' inwhich you manage to squeeze in various aspects of said lifestyle that you sort of want and make them applicable for YOU to benefit and your company/yourself to benefit. Sort of like a bespoke product, except the product you're selling IS CULTURE.

in fact, the lifstyle promoted in the 70's hippie movement is so ubiquitous now that you don't even realise it.

the jungle drum is in their blood.

Because white americans are the biggest load of graceless, cultureless honkeys wih no sense of rhythm. White americans dress badly, and walk like clumsy idiots, and generally lack creativity and charisma. It's the first thing an outsider notices when he leaves the airport.
When that's the competition it's no surprise black americans succeeded.
>And when we got here, you were all walking around in fuckin' bermuda shorts, with Boston crew cuts and stuff on your teeth. Now they're telling us, they're all saying, "Beatles are passé and this is like that, man." The chicks looked like fuckin' 1940 horses. There was no conception of dress or any of that jazz. We just thought "what an ugly race," it looked just disgusting.

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The people who own the recording industry are notoriously frugal and will cut corners to keep costs down.

They didn't, not on their own anyway. What you think of as black music was a mix of whatever music slaves/freed slaves made with various white folktunes popular in the 19th century, this gradually evolved into jazz, rock etc in the 20th century.

They're effective weapons utilized by the Jews.

you mean rap/hip hop. black music was good before that.

Alot of black music has african roots like banjo music and slave work songs used to communicate came from Africa

>what is jazz/rock/funk/disco?

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What justifies the homicide, when he dies?
In his own iniquity it's the
Master of the Mantis Rapture comin' at cha
We have an APB on an MC Killer
Looks like the work of a Master
Evidence indicates that's it's stature
Merciless like a terrorist hard to capture
The flow, changes like a chameleon
Plays like a friend, and stabs you like a dagger
This technique attacks the immune system
Disguised like a lie paralyzin' the victim
You scream, as it enters your bloodstream
Erupts your brain from the pain these thoughts contain
Novin' on a nigga with the speed of a centipede
And injure any motherfucking contender

Wu Tang clan

I'm hardly making a qualitative judgement here.

Of course, and I never said it didn't.

They were cheaper than the whites I'd assume.

Based. DH Lawrence was right

Before someone claims Blacks “invented” Jazz, Blues and Rock & Roll, (and I’m probably too late…) the fact is they are all just variations on traditional Euro-American folk music with Black artists simply playing and adapting what they grew up hearing in America, which has an overwhelmingly White European musical culture.

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Because protestantism (or more accurately WASP culture) destroyed music

I invented music.

Jazz isn't Folk, and Blues while debatably folk-inspired is definitely a unique formation.
Rock and Roll is more debatable; Rockabilly was formed from black culture but signficantly added to by whites 'stealing' the genre. Its the difference between, say, Rap and Hip Hop.

>Its the difference between, say, Rap and Hip Hop.
There's literally no difference.

Rap can be incorporated into non Hip Hop like Techno, Classical music etc. Hip hop is it's own thing.

>Jazz isn't Folk, and Blues while debatably folk-inspired is definitely a unique formation. Rock and Roll is more debatable

None of them are Folk music but all of them are derived from White Euro-American folk music and it's not surprising that Blacks picked up on this music, seeing as they'd be living in the U.S. and listening to White Euro-American folk music for generation after generation.

The claim that Jazz, Blues and Rock & Roll are somehow rooted in African music is nothing but a politically correct myth, as Blacks had been separated from Africa for hundreds of years and wouldn't have had any memory of native African music (which would have been extremely primitive) and the simple fact that all the melodies, styles, instruments and such can all be directly traced back to historically verified White Euro-American folk music.

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>They didn't, not on their own anyway

You can apply this to everything given a historic context, and the assertion is still wrong. It's the rhythmic aspect that made them stand out, which is directly influenced by african spirituals.

If they only copied as this thread seems to suggest no black musician would have ever been gained fame or get praise in America of all places, many racial barriers were broken for a reason.

Frank Zappa, Jerry Garcia, Niel Young, and Brent Mydland are all white people with rhythms.

no you didn't.

But about a little less than 90% aren’t. So how could such a small minority be so culturally influential?

I have literally never heard or read anyone say "White Euro-American folk music", I know you americans might get shocked, but european music is not a homogeneous blob at all. Especially when it was the irish and jews, not considered white, along with the black slaves who created the amalgamation of american music as it's known historically.

>lists a bunch of soulless dadrock white boys
Nobody has ever danced to any of those dinosaurs.

>music discussion outside of /mu/
cringe, everytime

This post is addressing something I never said. I said it was a mix of white(read, american euromutts) and black african musical styles. I never said the blacks didn't bring something to it or whatever you think I said.

Good answers.

Embarrassing posts.

You're right. African American music uses unique rhythms, swing, backbeat and so on, but they are very simple compared to real African music or Latin black music.
African American music is something that even white people are able to dance to.

>White Euro-American folk music

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Look up traditional west african music

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It does have african roots such as the banjo

watch a room of white people dance and compare that to a room of black people dancing.
blacks have an understanding of rhythm that seemingly cant be taught or learned; its inherited

Stop with this retarded fetishization of black people dancing, they literally just dance more than WASPies because they don't have puritanical values etched into their culture. And no their dancing isn't 'better', even at barely disguised sexual gyrating they're beat by Latino styles.

Black people seem to hear and interpret music differently

In what universe does the Grateful Dead have no soul? What could possibly be your explanation?

It's one of the few ways for minorities to "make it." I'm sure it's similar in other countries too. Art is for the poor and misunderstood.

lol i never said their dancing is better. but seems to be fact from the visible evidence.
which leads any competent thinker to wonder why

They make up like 18% dude...

Because Jews.

Even NWA's circlejerk movie from a few years back acknowledged this

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Heller

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Many latinos in music are black though. And they made Salsa

America at its core, east coast, colonial era, is much blacker than that.

How did jazz blues and ragtime get popular then?

Judaism

Jews also. Benny Goodman.

Ah how? Why is everything a Jewish conspiracy to you retards

>facts hurt me ;_;

>I have literally never heard or read anyone say "White Euro-American folk music"

I'll take "Where Did White Americans Come From" for $100, Alex.

> African American music uses unique rhythms, swing, backbeat and so on

It was not uniquely “African” by any means, it was a variation on existing White Euro-American folk music, as Blacks lived in and were a part of a White Euro-American culture for hundreds of years.

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>Look up traditional west african music

I think you need to look it up, as it was nothing like Jazz, Blues or Rock & Roll, especially a couple of hundred of years ago.

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Malian traditional music african string music etc

>It does have african roots such as the banjo

The banjo is not an African instrument, it's derived from European stringed instruments.

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bc they conformed to the demands of the jews more willingly

Thats like asking: Why did the wailing of retards have such a massive impact on a little girls piano recital?

They are bad students, bad students are usually creative because they have to think of stuff on the fly. Where as good students take their time and actually do their work.
Also I kind of think a lot of them are dumb, dumb people like repetition, which works perfectly for dance music.
Then blacks have 10% of the population in their pockets, because black solidarity. Whites don't give a shit about other whites they don't know just because of skin color.
So you already have that 10% base audience, its easier to increase that number.

12% mostly in the South, or in large cities. I'm from San Diego California, its a pretty decent city, but I never really blacks until college.

If you look at the top historical sales of pop records in the US, they're mostly white artists. Off the top of my head, the only blacks I can think of are Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey and that may be about it. I don't believe any of the rap thugs have made it into the top tier, unless it's Eminem, who's allegedly white.

Kanye west

Because /mu/ understands music, right ?

Talib Kweli

counter-culture was black and popular music come from counter-culture at first

Jewish diversity propaganda.

Yeah, Kanye may be in there, and Prince, I forgot about him.

>mostly white artists
White Brits not white americans

The grateful dead are shitty dadrock and weren't even relevant in 1970 let alone today.

just bought toumani's new album.
it's pretty great. Not it, but it's good.
youtube.com/watch?v=hnTDuahaXwg

>many latinoes are black though
pitbull
Jennifer Lopez
Enrique Iglesias
Adam Lanza
none of those people are black esse

look at the kora.
i'm not saying that europs were influenced by africa but you cannot deny that the kora, that came up through the moors, has had a massive influence in the spanish guitar.

it's also great music on it's own.
youtube.com/watch?v=Fdo8NXCUZks

Top fucking kek. Best selling music artists:
1. The Beatles - Bong
2. Elvis
3. Michael Jackson - Black
4. Madonna
5. Elton John - Bong
6. Led Zeppelin - Bong
7. Pink Floyd - Bong
8. Rihanna - Black
9. Eminem
10. Mariah Carey - Black
11. Celine Dion - Canuck
12. Queen - Bong
13. Whitney Houston - Black
14. AC/DC - Aus/Bong
15. Rolling Stone - Bong

So 46% Bongs, 25% Black and only 20% White American.
Why can't white Americans compete? And why are bongs so based?

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You also have your Sammy sosas and shit. Even cardi b

I think it's because blacks are generally less inhibited, more emotionally driven, more aggressive. These traits lend themselves well to certain types of music.
Back in the day, that potential resulted in some black Jazz/Blues/Rock musicians who employed that rawness, bold emotion and confidence to make some great music.
These days, blacks are mostly benefitting from and encouraging the dumbing down of mainstream culture to a level they can more successfully participate in.

Blacks have innovated well upon European-seeded forms of music, but in terms of their impact on the -course- of American music... I'm not sure if it's been good or bad given the current landscape.

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Rhythms were not African but not clearly european either. Jazz and Blues sound really different from European folk or horn ensemble music which they are derived from. Nobody can't deny that.

>Irish
>Not considered white
Hi Noel Ignatiev!

90% of these are trash.

>why have black people been so influential in American music?
They haven't? Rock and roll/jazz came from both blacks and whites, probably because our country was mostly whites and blacks?

Most of these musical developments came from the South as well , so the real question is - why is the South so much more artistic than the North?

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>Rhythms were not African but not clearly european either.
Yeah, almost like they are American or something.

Regardless of the reasons, Maple Leaf Rag is a classic.

>irish not considered white
The absolute state of modern academia

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Blacks are degenerate. Pop music is also degenerate.

t. nigger lover

>Nobody can't deny that.
Look an ESL nigger

Only subhumans speak English as a first language.

>he says in English

So a subhuman like you could understand me. I'm basically being charitable.

> My assertions are facts

So you deny Benny Goodman existed or how instrumental he was in promoting black jazz musicians into the mainstream or do you deny he was Jewish? What exactly is your issue, sounds like your disagreement is just out of butthurt.

You generate fucking rabble.

>The claim that Jazz, Blues and Rock & Roll are somehow rooted in African music is nothing but a politically correct myth, as Blacks had been separated from Africa for hundreds of years and wouldn't have had any memory of native African music (which would have been extremely primitive

Lol you idiot. There's a fucking community in Cuba that preserved Central African music in it's music. It makes completely no sense that African influence would "die" when brought to America considering they thousands of ways to preserve it and shit like the "beck and call" singing.

I'm not saying they were not influenced by white Southern music but to compelled erase the African influence preserved by families and exchanged between racial groups is just plain silly.