I've come to the conclusion that back squats and deadlifts simply aren't worth the risk if you aren't a power lifter

I've come to the conclusion that back squats and deadlifts simply aren't worth the risk if you aren't a power lifter

You could be doing a huge amount of damage to your spine and you wouldn't know until it is too late.

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They're literally the two most natural human movements, and are more likely to reduce injury doing them than not doing them if you plan on doing anything physical ever. They also are the greatest tests of overall body strength and awareness.

Fuck off you DYEL.

Guarantee I out squat and deadlift you

But the fact remains they are not safe exercises at all. Even with good form when you start going heavy you risk serious injury.

so then don't go too heavy and just do more reps. Why the fuck must you remove highly effective exercises from your routine completely?

The problem Frank Zane had later into is BB career which caused him injury were the heavy low rep lifts that gave him sustained size without daily pump sessions.

Just go lighter and reap the benefits of increased bloodflow and effective muscle growth with highly efficient movements.

Don't be stupid.

Sometimes they don't feel good like other exercises so I stop them all together for that session or stick with lighter weights and get a great pump.

Chances are you don't.

deadlifting is pretty natural, but squatting? humans may squat as a rest position in the third world, but squatting with a load across the shoulders is very far removed from that

actually come to think of it "natural" is a shitty argument anyway, because in nature you aren't going to be performing movements similar to a squat or deadlift with anywhere near the loads we use

they're great exercises but pretending like they're not potentially dangerous because humans pick things up and squat as a rest position with a fraction of the load (or no load) is silly imo

There is literally no reason to squat and deadlift if your goal is aesthetics

Sorry you fucking pseudo powerlifting SS deluded plebs but that's the truth

I did a strength program for squats and deads until I hit 3pl8 and 4pl8, now I just rep out at 2.5pl8 squat and 3 pl8 Diddly. I wanted to prove i could, but with that out of the way I just want to do enough to keep my legs and trunk thicc and powerful.

>They're literally the two most natural human movements
Hahaha... when you pick up something heavy you do NOT naturally use the deadlift form. For a start, you break up your base. i.e you have one foot in front of the object and one foot to the side of the object. You don't have your feet parallel. Same with your hand placement, you typically have one hand on opposite sides. You do, however, squat down and keep your back straight.

I mean, even a tree trunk, which most closely resembels a barbell, you wouldn't naturally pick up like a deadlift. That would be retarded.

I've come to the conclusion OP is a fag

Please fuck off with these bait threads

What about your shoulders? So many people worry about 'muh risk' for squats and deadlifts, but bench press, the powerlifting movement with the highest rate of related injuries, is totally fine for those same people.

I think people just don't like doing these lifts honestly, which is fine, they're not necessary. But just be honest with yourself and don't pretend you're doing it for the sake of your long term health, then try to rationalise that thought by getting a bunch of fucking dweebs on a Namibian leatherworking board to agree with you.

Flat barbell bench is also a meme lift

Dumbellls are better

Deadlift is the one exercise that will increase every other back exercise without even doing them. I deadlifted one year before I even rowed and started rowing with 120 kg, all thanks to the grip strength I got through deadlifts (and I not even user upper hand, I used mixed grip).

Romanian deadlifts are the best

And so are front squats

>mixed grip

Enjoy you back imbalances

You have obviously no idea about deadlifting.

You obviously lift bitch weight then

Mixed grip will cause imbalances in your back unless you regularly switch hands

No it doesn't. Any other pulling you do will correct any of the insignificant imbalances you create from mixed grip.

not that guy but i got up to low 500s with mixed only before i started strapping up for deadlifts and training grip separately, i never alternated grip and did not have any imbalances at that point

alternating mixed grip is a bad idea anyway, 1. your form is subtly different 2. bicep tendon on supinated side doesn't get a chance to adapt as much

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I deadlift 200 kg and have no imbalances whatsoever on my back and even the most powerlifter who use mixed grip haven't any form of back imbalances. Either show me exact scientific proof for it or fuck off.

not him, but that's definitely not true.

not him, but i do know a couple of (power)lifters that have gotten imbalances from mixed grip pulling.

Either show me exact scientific proof it doesn't cause imbalances or fuck off.

samefag

Then they used horrible form and forced the weight up. I don't do ego lifting.

no shit, retard.

no, their technique was fine.
you just don't have much experience regarding this.
that's fine. but if you don't realize it, you're gonna be drawing wrong conclusions.

samefag

kek

200kg is bitch weight for deadlifts unless you are in the 66s

This

even if you're just starting out and your strength is shitty?

define "heavy"

if we are talking Olympic records: yes

if we are talking 200kg: no

I have, it fucking works you retard

10/10 for a fucking reply

But "heavy" can be a relative concept, is it not?

no?***

Im asking him to define heavy in HIS context BECAUSE it is a relative term

samefag

got me

The average natty lifter needs at least 4 years until he hits 200 kg, "bitch weight" is weight you move in your first 2 years.

kek, at first I thought this was real until I checked the posts and saw mine.

2 years at most unless you are a genetic dead end

Post body then Mr. Universe, with time stamp.
Or better, post yourself doing deadlifts with 300 kg and then show a sign with the time and date on it.

>tfw there is literally zero video evidence of a barbell deadlift causing a spinal injury.

It doesn't work like that

Pick up a Stuart Mcgill book son

It's funny because deadlift is one of the few lifts where there literally is video evidence documented in clinical testing. What's more is 99% of deadlift injuries occur over time from a gradual delaminating of the disc nucleus. It's not a thing you'd see on video like a spine buckling or knee snapping.

On that note, many people could DL fine if they listened to McGills advice to lift from blocks if off the floor results in lumbar bend.

I don't want to deadlift any more boys

Most people on Veeky Forums are in their early twenties and think they are invincible and that good form will protect them.

Just weight until they hit 30+ and the discs in their spine start degenerating.

>tfw you're a genetic dead end

wew at least I feel better about my 3 years to hit it

Most people on Veeky Forums are in their early twenties and think they are invincible and that good form will protect them.

Just wait until they hit 30+ and the discs in their spine start degenerating.

this is posted every day.

every day people rage so hard

>just weight

Only people that try to 1 rep max constantly are the ones fucking themselves. If you relax, enjoy the journey and take your time you are pretty safe.

Explain how, in one sentence or less, why a correctly performed squat or deadlift is in any way likely to cause spinal injury. What is the mechanism by which this injury occurs?

Then explain why you're such a raging faggot.

Most routines recommended by Veeky Forums have you test your max regularly or at least go to 95%

Are powerlifters the best group to study? I mean, they're literally lifting their max at competition, and most non-powerlifters never come close to maxing out.

>swallowed the "deadlifts aren't necessary" pill
>Two years later start to deadlifts again (this month)
>Pull 205x5 with maximum effort, realize I'm weak as FUARK
>Also pretty lethargic at my gym sessions, even when excess calories and rest
But pulling 205 madee feel good, more motivated

>Next week pull 225x3, 245x1, feel like a beast
>Two days later, pull 225x5, 255x1
>Still drains me for the rest of workout
>Try oats for the first time time this morning in a double batch
>Pull 235x5 today, 255x1, 265x1

Literally a revelation to me, feels like noob gains all over again. Never felt this powerful before, new goal is 315x5 for my bulk

Pic on right is current

Dude I hate to break this to you but if you're over about 25, you WILL have some deterioration in your back, no matter how careful you are. Lifting actually slows the process but medical imaging is going to show abnormalities.

As a 35 year old i've made a similar decision. I recently sold my squat rack, barbell etc and replaced everything with a Parabody home gym. Honestly my legs already look better because i can target the muscles more effectively via leg press and leg curl without straining my lower back.

If you're young, squat away, but it stops being worth it when every minor tweak is a life-altering shitshow.

They were only doing 4-4.5 plate in the study I think

i have proof but i'd rather fuck off.

I'm in two minds, I'm early 30s recovering from a bulged L5. I've been avoiding heavy compounds and feel pretty good, but I won't know I'm healed fully until i try deadlifting again. I'm gonna wait until December before I pull anything just to be cautious though

The majority of people who know this man'''''s work will not be doing heavy compounds

I know his work well. It sucks ass

So what then this only means that squats and deadlifts are unfortunately awesome.

what exercise you do?

Do you know all of his work? He gives a really great aggressive blowjob.

Do you have a link to that study? I want to read the whole thing.

>try deadlifting a few times
>dont enjoy it, wonder what all the hype is about
>go on with my life without
That was the end of my deadlifting carer
I always laugh at people who do certain exercises because strangers told them to. I mean what is the point? Its not even about strength vs aesthetics. Strength is movement specific. Someone might have a 100lb weighted pull up while another guy has a 6 plate deadlift. You tell me who has a "stronger" back
Hint: they are both strong in the movement pattern they train.
And if you are training for aesthetics specifically, why would you train like a powerlifter? Powerlifters arguably are one of the least aesthetic athletes.

>Parabody home gym
FUCKING TRUTH
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what did they give you?
I have the similar issue, and doc prescribed gabapentin, lyrica, tramadol, cyclobenzaprine, and baclofen.

Did any of them help the pain? What other lifts are you doing to help heal?

>Two most natural human movements
>not running and throwing
are you retarded

>not wanking and making a simulated wanking motion a few inches in front of your real dick to express disrespect

>only doing lifts you enjoy
Not gonna make it

I do lifts that will help me achieve my goals, not the ones prescribed by DYEL strangers on an anonymous forum.

It sounds like your goal is being a pussy. Pat yourself on the back for a job well done

Being inside a pussy maybe. Your mother's. I'll try to remember to give your head a little tap with the tip of my knob next time I'm in there.

>two most natural human movements
that would be walking and humping, bucko
perhaps hand grasping

Found a pic of OP

Video is even worse than picture.

If you would seriously consider deadlifting again after a bulged disc in your 30s, you are a tremendous retard.

you're not allowed to think for yourself, here, drink this gallon of milk and take this unsolicited advice from sub 5pl8 deadlifters

YEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHH MODDDAAAFACCKEEERR!!!

WHy does it suck ass?

-These are the same people that praise starting strength and just end up looking like chubby t-rexes.

-Most are also in their teens/20s where your body is also more resistant, not as much mileage, thus you can get away with more. Even with perfect form your inevitably going to get back injuries if you do them often enough. Look at basically every powerlifter ever. not getting hurt is extremely rare.

-All you need to get a physique(for girls) is just do some cardio, body weight stuff, and be lean. that's literally it. Musclebound physiques attract primarily men, the same way men care about cock size more than women actually do. (why so much black dick cuckhold shit is becoming increasingly popular among men.)

-I'm not going to lie, deadlifts/squats are probably the most fun and intense form of short bust exercise there is. I loved doing them when building my base up, but I'm not going to lie and say that years of doing them on end won't result in a deterioration of your back.

-There's a reason all those huge old school BB types in the gyms hardly ever do them and opt for even shit like smith machines over them. Meanwhile the guys hogging the squat racks doing 1 set of deadlifts per 10 minutes are a crew of 5 asians, DYEL types, or generally a guy under 25 years old whose tendons havn't yet been worn out.

-HIIT, calisthenics, Yoga > Powerlifting meme in terms of health. You can still get big legs via weight training with compounds like Bulgarian split squats, Reverse Hyper Extensions(if your gym is lucky enough to have it) which are MUCH safer

Source: Older f@g whos been there and tried them all.

If you're not deadlifting heavy shit, you're not lifting it as efficiently as you could

Great argument. You sound like a very confident collected individual.

Well finally, someone appreciates....... hey wait are you being sarcastic???

No. You are my friend. I would never lie to you.

Good, that's what I thought. Carry on.

>2017
>lifting