Wehraboos will actually defend this preposterous waste of precious resources

Wehraboos will actually defend this preposterous waste of precious resources.

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>Anglos pronounce Tiger as Taiga

>tfw a Sherman tank beats your Tiger cus it's more cost effective and easier to produce.

Fucking Germans.

At least they wanted to save western civilization from communism, plutocracy and liberalism. Liberalism gave us the third world invading Europe.

I will.
It looks metal as fuck.

>damn, i need oil for my war
>hmm, russia has some oil
>i'll just buy it from them, like i am already buying metals, grain and hired workers
>LOL JK i'll invade :D

How many fronts are you on, uncle Adolf?

>wehrtraktors
>good warmachines

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>rams your overdesigned panzerkrapwagen

Don't mix Hitler into this.

Krautpanzerkriegtraktorwagen discussion inevitably is about German vs Soviet design philosophy, and this is tied to the decision to go to war in the first place. You will conclude with that decision if you follow the logic, we've had this thread a million times.

Dont live in a timeline where the Germans dont sperg out, Russia gets antsy and attacks Baltic states and Poland. America, UK,France, Germany all form a pact against USSR and destroy it together and lead Europe into a period communist free.

Thanks for ruining it Hitler

Germany and USSR were allies and cooperating throughout the interwar period and early WW2 period. There is no reason to think this alliance would break without Barbarossa.
The most likely next target for the USSR would be Afghanistan/Iran and gaining ocean access there. USSR ideologically was also anti-empire, in the traditional colonization sense, so they could easily justify conflict with Britain/France.

>angry at man who wins the biggest military victories in history, because he didn't do enough.

>sloped armor went out of style again after WW2 and blocky tanks became the norm
Sometimes, good things do happen

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The Allies where very staunch anti communists, it was only because of German autism that they couldn't halt communist aggression
Hitler did more to destroy any chance of military victory then any major leader I can think of.

>Hitler did more to destroy any chance of military victory then any major leader I can think of.

Here we go again.

It was an excellent early war tank. Otto Carius, Michael Wittmann, Kurt Knispel, Hans Bolter, et. al. would show you how much of a force multiplier this piece of military hardware was.

tiger wasn't in the early war, colonel smartypanties

>It was an excellent early war tank.
>first deployed 1942

RMYT

How many Panzer 4s could one get for one Tiger? Long-barrelled P4's seemed perfectly capable to deal with 90% of allied tanks.

>sloped armor went out of style again after WW2
On what planet? All modern MBTs use sloped armor. Same thing during the Cold War.

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Depends on if you count everything up until operation Barbarossa failed "early war," but I'll still stand by my statement.

I see a lot of those added bricks on modern armor. Why are they modular? Do crews take them on and off, is there a benefit to them not just being part of the core armor?

Are you suggesting that the point at which Germany lost the war should be considered the start of the war? There were years of fighting before that.

It's cheaper to replace ERA bricks than to repair armor.

How often do you need to replace a few of these bricks and NOT have to replace whats under?
All of the footage from Yemen and Syria we've seen in the smart phone age of tank warfare tells us that tanks either survive a hit and are good to continue, or they become a furnace.

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People say that the Tiger was too expensive, but the truth is that even if the Germans had been producing exact duplicates of the M4 Sherman, they still would have been vastly outnumbered in tanks simply because America, Britain, and the USSR collectively had the ability produce armored vehicles of all types on a scale that Germany couldn't even dream of matching. The Tiger at least enabled the possibility that a single tank could triumph over multiple enemy tanks, even if in practice that almost never happened.

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Waiting until 1943 to fully mobilize the economy didn't help either.

Britain alone could outproduce Germany.
USSR alone could outproduce Germany.
USA alone could outproduce Germany.
I don't know why people need to bring up these as a team, when Germany couldn't match any one of them.
Fuck, if the war had remained Britain vs Germany with USSR and USA on the side, Britain would've probably won, since they outproduced Germany for planes really hard, while stabilizing their energy and food production with some hardcore socialism at home.

not him

1942 is late early war desu

Sure, why not? These definitions are as arbitrary as old, middle, and new kingdom of Egypt which spans millenia. As far as I'm concerned, late war military equipment is after they learned and adapted from the initial stages.

>I can already see the argument that its pre-production started early-war
Yeah, but its prioritization didn't.

first isn't true

I consider early war 1939-1940 mid 1941-1943 late 1944-45
But lots of people have different classifications for different periods.

Early WW2 - 1938-1940. This is the setup, the early invasions and France's collapse. Classic pregame.
Mid WW2 - 1941-1943. This is where it was still a question of who would win. There is a serious battle going on around the world, and it could go either way. Bread and meat of the war.
Late WW2 - 1944-1945. The war is over why are we still fighting oh god what the fuck please stop fucking Germany's corpse already oh the humanity are those nuclear bombs?1?!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_aircraft_production

WW2 was a war of small and impotent economies against strong and powerful economies. It was either a very fast victory, or a slow and grindy loss for the Germans.
For fans of MMA fighting, think in terms of a strong knock out fighter who runs out of gas early and barely finishes the match. Germany had no cardio.
Even in WWI, the allies rotated soldiers, giving them long vacations, while Germany had people serve throughout, only changing how intense service was. They starved so bad during WWI, that the average height of the country measurably dropped. Fast war or a loss, this was always the case.

>implying soviet style communism wasnt the salvation europe from american decadence and libralism

>Fuck, if the war had remained Britain vs Germany with USSR and USA on the side, Britain would've probably won
kek, the krauts cucked and fucked the bongs completely, and drove them to bankruptcy and begging the US to save them, while simultaneously taking down the frogs.

Germany plundered their way out of bankruptcy.
Their efficiency was fucking atrocious.
I cant think of another WW2 major that was more inefficient industrially then Germany

see

Germany was running out of other people's money, oil and metals. They plundered all their "allies", and they attacked the USSR, which they had a pact of friendship and cooperation with, without even withdrawing german engineers and settlers from there first. Their tank was empty and they were running on fumes. Britain was doing quite fine by comparison.

>Britain was doing quite fine by comparison.
kek, the bongs were bankrupt, and forced to beg the US to save them. Whatever the krauts were, it was enough to cuck and fuck the bongs at that point... and the frogs.

>kek cuck fuck bong kraut kek frog cuck

Why do people take such posts seriously?

"During the Battle of St. Vith in the Battle of the Bulge, an M8 of Troop B, 87th Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadron was able to destroy a German Tiger heavy tank after getting in behind one on the Schonberg Road, though the commander tried to traverse his turret to engage the M8. The M8 fired three 37 mm rounds through the relatively thin rear armor of the Tiger from only 25 yd (23 m), setting it on fire."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M8_Greyhound

>beaten
>by
>a fucking
>Greyhound

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Guess I'd agree with that too. I guess I'll just back up my statement and say that it was a great tank for the time of its adoption into service in the war, as evidenced by the many panzer aces.

But seriously, I stated that factual opinion and then everyone autistically jumped onto me saying
>early war

I wish CoH2 was that easy.
Holy fuck I never even heard of that.

OBS STÜRM ODER SCHNEIT

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Compare the slopes on that to WW2 designs, faggot

*blocks your path*

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Shit I should have said *teleports behind u*

Slowly drives behind you*

The concept looks great to produce cheap tanks that can survive direct hit from anything smaller than modern antitank missile, mbt main gun, antitank artilery etc.

Why bother making 65 ton tank if it won't survive engagement with those threat anyway.

The ammunition of guns between WWII and Cold War are night and day. Talking about difference of armor slopes instead of composition and countermeasures is disingenuous and stupid.

In that case its add hoc- ish addon armour as part of a urban survivability upgrade called TUSK

>all modern MBTs use sloped armor

No, they most certainly do not. We've been in an era of tungsten long rod penetrators that are able to comprehensively defeat conventional armor and we've been there for decades. Armor design has trended towards slab sides and sharp angles because that allows for easier mounting of ERA bricks and enhanced survivability against chemical warheads, something they actually have a decent chance of surviving, unlike kinetic warheads.

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The slab sides aren't the only part of the armour user, they're just the first line of defense.

Long rod penetrators are expected to through to the internal structures, which are designed to disintegrate them.

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>not sloped
>slab sides and sharp angles
uh....

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It took 4 Sherman's to kill one tiger

Naw.
See

can you stop meming?

Tiger can kill 500 Shermans by itself.
Proceeds to die to an M8 and I am the memer lul.

> Tank autism.
It's so funny when you know someone like this in real life, and see a thread like this on the homepage.

Using this many /pol/ buzzwords in a single post should result in a perma-ban.

Ever heard of a freak accident?

Casually driving behind it.
Shooting it 3 times.
Destroyed.
Doesn't sound like a freak accident, it sound like the tank have extremely shitty rear armor, which is shit tier design for a slow tank

There are a few cases of germans placing land mines on a plank, sneaking up to a Soviet tank, throwing the plank in front of it, and thus disabling it. Would you say this is a major flaw which makes the Soviet tank in question a bad design?

Tigers are used for areacontrol at long range, user, my sweet.

Akschually Tigers are used for target practice for superior tanks.

M26 is the best design for a "heavy" tank in WW2.
Mobility was way more important for a tank then w.e German autists where working on

Literally every tank ever constructed is going to have thinner armor at the rear. And if it is true that the Greyhound was firing from a distance of just 25 yards, then having more armor probably wouldn't have even helped. 25 yards is almost within pistol range.

Slow ass tank with no turn speed was a shit design, and that is why.

The Tiger is only a couple km/hr slower than the Sherman.

Wittman would like a word, user.

If its not broke down, or missing parts, or the engine overheats, or the transmission goes out, and its going downhill with the wind at its back

>comparing a tank that barely saw service to a 1942 design

the US used a few Stuart tanks to disable a Tiger in North Africa.

This. The Pershing is more of a post WW2 tank.

Why didn't they just straight up copy the t-34 except with german quality and gun?

And no not the Panther

the panther

Because they had the Pz IV?

It showed how a proper "heavy" tank should have been made and designed.
Rushing out a shitty tank with tons of flaws was more dangerous then just sticking to regular more reliable tanks.

Usually, you wanna look at the winner to see what the loser did wrong, not the other way around.

Wasn't the Pershing considered bad when it was used in Korea, though? Something about having poor mobility and being too heavy for its engine.

It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose, user. Now, lick my firm cheeks.

In Heroes &Generals it's fucking OP.

t. Lindybeige

Britain alone would have been lost in both world wars. In WWI you were saved by France in WWII you were saved by the states united.

The m26 performed pretty well against most other tanks in Korea, the only downfall was it was not good in mountainous terrain.

The Terrain in general in Korea was much more subpar for tank warfare then in Europe

Germany.
Not committing a single mistake in WW2.
The absolute state of stormfags.

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Again, the biggest factor at play was industrial output. Even if Germany had been producing ideal tanks, they couldn't have matched the production of the USSR.

Well yea, because Germany was total shit and had no concept of efficiency.
Not too mention not even fully mobilizing your economy until 19 fucking 43.

>comparing a tank designed in 1937 to one designed in 1942 in the fastest technological development phase in the history of armored warfare

germany knew a long war meant death. its not like they didnt realize

So they didn't full mobilize their economy even sooner?
German autism is unparalleled.

Rushing out a shitty tank is still rushing out a shitty tank.
The IS2 came out at similar time and it had the same issues as the Tiger

>using antifa memes unironically

This stupid stencil is more than a decade old you newfag.

It wasn't shitty tho. Just look up the numerous panzer aces. And a war of retreat will necessarily give up more tanks out of mobility kills, lack of fuel, or just getting suck as they can't be recovered from behind enemy lines.

>implying Antifa is not more than a decade old

People like you who can't discuss history without it devolving into a two minute for Immanuel Goldstein need to fuck right the fuck off.