As an avid history lover i only play grand strategy games, they are well known...

Emberburn
Emberburn

as an avid history lover i only play grand strategy games, they are well known for historical accuracy

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eGremlin
eGremlin

You're like a baby.

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BinaryMan
BinaryMan

The main selling point for literally every grand strategy game is about starting off from a historical date in time and seeing how much you can alter the world.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

that face when my autism sometimes forces me to cheat in EU4 when borders get too weird. Especially late in the game when like Burnei is trying to colonize Alaska.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

you can alter the world
But I don't like when things unrelated to my actions drastically alter history.

Illusionz
Illusionz

For whatever reason I find EU incredibly boring. Vicky 2 is best.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

This actually. It can be interesting but usually isn't.

Lunatick
Lunatick

EU4 would be a decent game if it wasn't a blobfest.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

I wish there were some games like the paradox ones but with more emphasis on realism. Just look at OP's Sweden for a moment, it's a fuking joke.

Spamalot
Spamalot

CK2>>>>>EU4
But then again, autists love to roleplay as abstract concepts (ie countries) rather than actual people, so I can see if autists prefer eu

girlDog
girlDog

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cum2soon
cum2soon

Just want to carve out a comfy country and chill
All of a sudden a blob comes out of fucking nowhere and wrecks my shit
Paradox really needs to fix that shit, none of the mechanics they have for preventing it work

Flameblow
Flameblow

I wish they introduced an option that gives the choice of playing a game where AI follows historical border changes and colonizes accurately like it happened in real life. Instead of, you know, complete map chaos after only 100 years.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

non of the anti blobbing mechanics stop the AI
they just make the game less fun for the player
They just need better AI
Im not sure why their AI is so shit

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

just increase the amount of aggressive expansion you get for taking over provinces you fucking babies

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

not playing CK2/EU to live out your autistic mental role playing fantasies

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farquit
farquit

Holy hell you two must feel fucking distraught at reality
just how does one exist under a globalized world culture and have this mindset at the same time?

cum2soon
cum2soon

I use console commands quite often to help the AI like I can't stand it when my vassals attack other kingdoms or expand.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Im old enough to have played Eu2 to death and remember the uproar when paradox decided to make Eu3 non scripted/dynamic monarchs and events

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

eh, a greater swedish/commonwealth alliance eventually partitioning the weaker russian states isn't all that unlikely as far as alternate universe scenarios go
And Burgundy really is one of those historical entities that would have been a major european player if not for an unlucky bunch of events

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Vicky has the advantage in the POP mechanic and how basically everything interacts with it both as an input and as an output. EU4 has monarch points which interact with everything as an input, but very few things as an output. This means the game quickly becomes a game of managing Monarch Points versus how Vicky focus mostly on POP administration one way or another, from literacy rates to the number of soldiers you can field.

StonedTime
StonedTime

instead of changing the mechanics of siege to stop carpet sieging they just teach the ai to do it

Fucking cancer

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Play HoI4
Win early as USSR
Create puppets
They continue on their stupid shit like greater Hungary annexing Slovakia
What fucking idiot designed the national focus system?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

I like the idea of managing an early modern state but never found it very satisfying in practice
EU2 follows real-world history more closely than the later games

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Nojokur
Nojokur

crusader kings 2 is a accurate medieval simulator

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Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

gavelkind
That shit is why i don't play tribal

farquit
farquit

They need to fix marriages in CK2.
Tired of a count in bumfucknowhere inheriting an Irish kingdom or somethere equally far and unlikely.
Is it really that hard to script AI to pick reasonable marriage choices?

massdebater
massdebater

Its not as unlikely as you would think but not very likely

Inmate
Inmate

Isn't that how the Hapsburgs took over Europe? There should just be more challenges from the local nobility when that happens

likme
likme

I wish gavelkind worked as intended, I don't mind my heirs getting kingdoms but I hate when they also get a dutchy or a province far from their inherited title.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

They can't even figure out to marry their only daughter matrilineally when matrilineal marriage is set to on user

TreeEater
TreeEater

Vicky is the only good one because it focuses on a short enough time period that you can create in depth mechanics that actually apply for the span of the game and most outcomes are somewhat plausible. Also it isn't just a meme where you have magic points to run a country for you.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

How accurate is this in simulating 19th-early 20th century socioeconomics and politics?

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Evilember
Evilember

Base game? Fucking whack. Play HFM

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Cultures assimilate to African-American
It accurately represents the muttification of the USA

RumChicken
RumChicken

Nah, they married into counts until they basically became one of the strongest counts in the HRE, were voted emperor, then were awarded Austria and from there expanded their power base.

DeathDog
DeathDog

What I'm getting is I want the AI to make reasonable marriage choices. Like it's pretty unlikely a Serbian count would marry some random Spanish counts daughter and inherit their land.

eGremlin
eGremlin

it's pretty hard if it wasn't done in the first place
there's a lot of different factors that the AI have to grade. It's basically a list of item 1-1000 or however many there are.
Some of them are pretty straight-forward whilst others are very situational, but the AI cannot pick item 499 over item 1 even though it would solve the entire conflicting line. Because the AI is not actually intelligent and thus can't pick, it's just doing what the code is telling it to do

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

The initial learning curve is a tad steep but once you learn the mechanics it's incredibly easy. (Like all pdox games).

The fun is in roleplaying strange scenarios like trying to steer the US towards gommunism or keep Russia an absolute monarchy etc

whereismyname
whereismyname

EU4 needs a late-game changer that mixes things up. I'd lobe for the whole 'revolution' thing to be for EU4 what the 'end-game crisis' is for Stellaris.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Couldn't somebody script it so AI marrys a spawned lowborn if it can't find someone suitable?

MPmaster
MPmaster

HRE always changes into primogeniture mid-late game

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King_Martha
King_Martha

That's already a thing, back in the day they had trouble where the ai would only marry that way so they reduced the chance of it happening.

takes2long
takes2long

It's probably one of the easiest actually since the core mechanic of the game, pops, are controlled through indirect ways such as national foci and they mostly do their own thing under the hood

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

that would require going over the entire list and changing priorities of 1000 lines of code. Which may and probably will cause other clusterfucks to happen because "you didn't consider X to happen to Y so now Z"

Playboyize
Playboyize

That's when it all went to shit.

TreeEater
TreeEater

I agree. Vicky just feels more alive and EU never really seems to have gone past an advanced board game.

Evilember
Evilember

In my opinion it's a minute to learn, lifetime to master sort of thing. Learning the basics is easy.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

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PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

I would post my "Platense Ruthenia" from Victoria II, but the file is too big.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Had a game of ck2 charlemagne as a welsh nobody
conquer all of Britain
look at the rest of Europe
khazars own most of european russia and all of scandivia
close the game immediately

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

tfw no attractive cousins/siblings so in game I always sleep with my daughters.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Yeah, it's easy to get the basics about how the POP system works at first, but most of it isn't that direct.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Why?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Why
See:
khazars own most of european russia and all of scandivia

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

paradox historians are a blight on this board, the amount of gamified abstractions of history that gets posted here because of those games is disgusting.
It is fine to play them for enjoyment, but dont play eu4 then come into a thread on the HRE and state 'facts' like how the emperor should have invaded north italy to stop it succeeding from the empire in 1490, or have 8 imperial cities at all times to maximise his authority
vic 2 is no better, it is way to easy to become the worlds foremost industrial power as an asian nation in the span of a century, just by spamming liquor factories because of the games shitty population systems

happy_sad
happy_sad

khazars own most of european russia and all of scandivia

Yeah? It could have happened.

It's when 'the Holy Roman Emperor is a Buddhist for no good reason, and a Hapsburg who is also the Emperor of Byzantium' is when I might quit. Not because 'a steppe horde became successful'.

askme
askme

May the sun never set on the New England Empire

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

I will not be happy if you can't play as New England in a potential Vicky 3.

Emberburn
Emberburn

I remember an user (on /v/ since I only joined this board a few months ago and that was a year ago) who talked about his Blackfoot game in eu3, he waited until 1730 for the Europeans to arive but they never came, he then looked at the save file and saw that the Golden Horde (being the absolute madmen they are) had conqoured pretty much all of Europe

DeathDog
DeathDog

grand strategy game
EUIV

You're still not playing GSG.

eGremlin
eGremlin

is there anything more retarded then people who play as the US in eu4?
lets play as a nation of english people in a place that wasnt known to exist at the time of the game start because that is realism!
it just shows paradox's priorities when they fleshout gameplay for a meme country that doesnt exist at the games start to pander to the mutt fanbase
no other colonial area has an event to be released in a revolutionary war or has custom ideas/events

Illusionz
Illusionz

That reminds me of the time I started as a count in russia with the intention of building up to fight the mongols, only for them to be wiped out on arrival by the turks.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

england never forms
france always shatters
nothing ever works
I want a game that simulates fighting the norsefags out of Ireland but I want the rest of the world to go normally.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Nobody starts after the first startdate. If I want to play as the United States then I start as England and then switch to the Thirteen-colonies when founded.

Quebec, Canada, Mexico and Brazil all have unique Ideas, you can all become these (and others with generic 'colonial ideas' ideas if you play as colonial nations in the right areas, not just the United States.

w8t4u
w8t4u

The American revolution was a fairly important event during the games timeline and all of the other colonial revolts that occurred, with the exception of Haiti, happened during the last year in the games time frame. They should have put more effort into colonial revolts though, considering nearly all of Europe's colonies in north America were lost by 1821.

Techpill
Techpill

Play as USA in Vicky 2
Do nothing
Become #1 Great power thanks to retarded Industry Score
Build a few cruisers to BTFO the entirety of the Royal Navy with +04.00 attack super admiral in the late game or just with 150 frigates in the early game
every time

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Snarelure
Snarelure

abloobloobloo

Skullbone
Skullbone

Theres a difference between the steppes of central asia and the dense forests and frigid mountains of Scandinavia

Firespawn
Firespawn

Yeah, but I bet the open steppes would have been able to support more warriors than frigid forest and mountain dwellers at the time.

Flameblow
Flameblow

man i sure feel like a quebec playthrough, maybe a boer southafrica. even better, why not play as new zealand? paradox please fix your game

SniperWish
SniperWish

You don't need the English to form USA
pic related is Portuguese USA

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RumChicken
RumChicken

not writing up your CK2/eu4 game to live out your autistic role playing fantasies
I’ve asked for two weeks extension to my dissertation to get the introduction the 1400’s finished

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Prestige hit

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

awarded Austria
They took austria from the king of Bohemia, when they were around the emperor actually used other people as levies, along with their counties being really rich so they could hire mercs

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

then why is it still called the united states and not Estados Unidos? it has the exact same outcome either way
you have to admit user, it is just pandering to americans as a historically inaccurate way to boost sales

whereismyname
whereismyname

implying it wasn’t
Reminder Hapsburgs owe their all to the Luxembourg’s and the pragmatic sanction was pointless

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

HFM
Is that better than HPM? I don't like how scripted HPM is (but I also hate the clusterfuck in the base game).

Lunatick
Lunatick

Playing Byzantium
nice
Portugal and Byzantium are my two favorite nations to play as.

Also I saw Portugal form the US before, don't they automatically get British as an accepted culture even if the British don't have any colonies?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

I like setting up good alt-history EU4 games by using the CK2-EU4 converter.

My latest game.
Last start-date CK2 game.
Socotra.
Convert to EU4
Play as Socotra in EU4.

Playing as an OPM with a unique religion on a small island in CK2 is super hard to get any other provinces. The Canaries are the same way, although they can raid unlike Socotra.

Booteefool
Booteefool

tfw Portuguese California breaks off just as you inherit Portugal and then becomes Mexico
Also if you integrate someone else who has colonies their flags change but there names don’t

viagrandad
viagrandad

as an avid historian I’ve learnt women are useless and so now become a gay

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5mileys
5mileys

french canada to this day
makes kinda sense desu, wouldnt make sense to change portugese brazil to spanish brazil if everyone living there is speaking portugese

takes2long
takes2long

I personally find HFM comfier, but they also have more shit fixed. Maybe it's just me but I had Confederate Nationalists uprising constantly even after I did the "Rapid reconstruction" event and made them an accepted culture, HFM seems to fix that.

askme
askme

wew lad

JunkTop
JunkTop

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whereismyname
whereismyname

I use CC all the time in CK2 just so it's more challenging
turn lucky ruler on for a country I want to rival with
hit ~ and type play as
give a fuckton of money to that ruler
go back to my character
Or
To give the ai land

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

I hate it when CK2 has this shitload of formable empires in Europe. Not only is it historically inaccurate, but it's also a poor gameplay design, like if you start at 769AD the Pict dynasty would swallow all of Britain and Ireland then form an empire over there. There are also so many benefits by forming an empire but too little actual challenges.

They also haven't done shit to expand the dynastic mechanics, like forming cadet branches and all sorts of things.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Also to clean up border gore.
Ck2 really brings out my inner autism

Snarelure
Snarelure

HIP fixes that.
HRE, ERE and Persia are the only de jure empires.
If you have 3 kingdoms and have enough money and prestige you can form a titular empire that's named after your primary title.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

lmao at all these empirelets

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Emberfire
Emberfire

lmao at all these empirelets

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PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

m8 i don't have the end game screenshot where i have all of the americas and southeast asia, indonesia as well

takes2long
takes2long

A big blob with no historical reason or aesthetic sense is nothing to be proud of.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

no historical reason
meme statement, economic gain, glory, and furthering strategic position is reason enough to go to war . Idk what this "historical reason bs is"
aesthetic sense
"hey we should go to war to make our borders look nice" - said literally no leader ever

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New_Cliche
New_Cliche

I don't finish many of my EU4 games anymore because end game is usually just beating the shit out of an overstretched Ottomans.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

be Byzantium ally with Hungary and Mamlukes
slowly eat away Ottomans
drop Hungary since they always find themselves in Eastern European conflicts ally with Russia after Ottoman are totally gone, turn on Mamalukes
I usually lose interest around 1700s because of how insane borders are though. I wish there as a historic AI mod.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

You realized Hitler wanted the straight line in pic related while his generals wanted the nicer more aesthetic one because it more accurately took into consideration relation of regions, geography and trade right? Aesthetics in border sense means not taking land on the opposite side of a mountain or not having land in multiple different ethnicities. Basically not being imperial Austria or Germany.

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askme
askme

hitler was also known for being an autistic retard. also none of shit you listed matters in eu4 with the right ideas

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

If you want some historical accuracy you're condemned to turn-based autism played by 5000 people.

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Burnblaze
Burnblaze

also none of shit you listed matters in eu4 with the right ideas
Humanist cucks gtfo, I want my cultural unions and nationalism god dammnit!

FastChef
FastChef

>>>/victoria2/

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

game?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

is china proper a wasteland? am I reading this right?

w8t4u
w8t4u

No you're reading it incorrectly

TechHater
TechHater

no unfortunately this didn't take place in a world where MacArthur became president. mingsplosion happened and Liang took over

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

That makes sense. mingsplosion has never happened to me so I didn't know there was a gray in that area.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Field of Glory II

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Wants historical accuracy
doesn't play Civ 5

You're what's wrong with this country

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Playing Civ 5
Do you want to talk about it user?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

world war infantry in the 1800s
Nice accuracy.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

nice history and humanities discussion you boys got here

SniperGod
SniperGod

Why doesn't a single grand strategy game have technology leaking?
Every single one of these nation management games end up as a race to get as many territories and money as possible so you can get more technology points, which gives you more money and firepower to get more territory and money to get more technology points etc.
While in real life technological advancement was semi-random and depended on how society was structured and what were the cultural and economical points of interest to advance.
Then the technology spreads to other people who are in contact with you.

Every single one of these games wants to be about nation management, but it ends up as viral conquest and map painting.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

EU4 has something like that, called 'institutions', its still the biggest change to the game since it's launch.

idontknow
idontknow

Play as Dixie Confederacy

Get btfo by American and Mexico alliance early

Secretly evacuated General Lee and army and conquer Hawaii , then Japan with alliance of china.

Under military dictatorship form holy Confederate empire of the Pacific

1940s , Ally with Germany and axis powers and invade retake America over time

Neo-confederate samurai weeboos and pacific Islanders invade America playing "I wish I was in Dixie "

One can dream

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Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

that face when
Where fuck are you from
Fucking 9gag

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

tfw exclusively play 876 start on CK2 because of dogshit HRE

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Czech my game. Time to fix that blob though.

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cum2soon
cum2soon

I think theres an option to reduce the diplomatic range in the advanced settings to minimise this sort of thing happening, I haven't played in a while so don't quote me on that tho

hairygrape
hairygrape

Play texas
Annex USA
Texan primary culture
Washington and Only washington culture swaps to texan
all dixies, immigrants and afro-americans swap to Texan

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Methshot
Methshot

The rate in which people just flock to new regions in the Americas is insane
Annex Canada
60% Yank by 5-10 years.

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MPmaster
MPmaster

Twisted timeline

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viagrandad
viagrandad

Not having nukes in the 1500s
Pleb

Playboyize
Playboyize

Only GSG that I would call "historically accurate" is Darkest Hour.

I play either that or Stellaris, because in Stellaris I can turn off my brain and I don't get triggeted by the lack of historical accuracy like I do in other Paradox games.

HOI3 and HOI4 are shit.
Vicky is overrated.

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kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Playing Bohemia
Not conquering Dublin
I bet you don't even play Ironman faggot

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

For all its flaws I think it does a decent job of representing core concepts of the period.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Fuck Ironman.

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