So what was Stalinism? What about it added to communism? Why did Mao, Saddam, and Kim Il Sung, seemed to drawn to it...

So what was Stalinism? What about it added to communism? Why did Mao, Saddam, and Kim Il Sung, seemed to drawn to it? Did they just admire the way Stalin stayed in power, or is there actually something to the philosophy? Something ideological.

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Socialism in one country/state, massive and active security apparatus, systematic terrors

So shittiness. And he actually gave a fuck about socialism? I always thought it was just a power play.

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>is there actually something to the philosophy? Something ideological.
Stalin wrote a bit to defend Socialism in one country and such

He was already a communist when he was a nobody schoolboy in Crimea and wrote tons of books about it. I despise Stalin but he did believe in the revolution

It what happens when you combine marxism-leninism with genuine fascism(not nazism) and make it totalitarian.

As a political system or philosophical thought, Stalinism doesn't exist.

It was a political "crutch", you could say, same as Trotskism (in application and in the cause), in political struggle in post-Lenin Soviet Union.

I guess it naturally appeals to the paranoid mind of a dictator. - Not that internal purges and networks of gulags and secret policemen are unique to Stalin but he definitely seemed to have an affinity for the business.

Saw Death of Stalin yesterday. Holy shit if Beria had gotten into power, it could have been even worse than Stalin.

Stalin was a fanatic communist.
If he was just a power-hungry opportunist like some try to present him, there's no logic in joining a fringe movement that were the Bolsheviks, and wasting years and years of his life.
A man like him would succeed anywhere.

Just never seemed much into theory

>I always thought it was just a power play.
this is just a shill meme line that communist use to defend their shitty ideology

Yeah, but if you read bios about him, it doesn't seem like he really cares about the socialism part, more about the staying in power part. That he joined the Bolsheviks because he hated the Tsarist regime, not because he really thought Marx was super brilliant or something.

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What's the key difference between the two, or differences? Besides the two guys just really hated each other.

Socialism in one country. Since all other revolutions had failed it was the duty of the ussr under stalin to pretty much not start ww3 and to bring the ussr up to super power status.

Also the purges all though large did effectively remove a Trotskiest element with in the army and Goverment which was conducting espanioage and planning in secret. Eg several gold mines were sabotaged and we have real letters between Trotsky and goverment/army officals before the purges talking about ways to get rid of Stalin.

>the duty of the ussr under stalin to pretty much not start ww3

Wouldn't that be WWII, which it failed to do?

>Stalin gif.jpg

fuck you

None of those people mentioned were 'Stalinist', aside from Stalin himself. Mao was more into agriculture than industry for one, while Stalin realised the need for rapid industrialization to catch up to the rest of Europe.

As for overall ideals, he realised that socialism needed a healthy dose of nationalism and patriotism to stay afloat, and it worked. At the end of the day, he was a realist and kept things more grounded than the insane idealism of Hitler and Trotsky, the latter which would've destroyed Russia the same way Hitler destroyed Germany (and Europe). Yes, there were purges, but that was to prevent a literal Trotskyist coup that was on the way. He managed to take Russia through the most deadly war of survival its faced since Genghis Khan, and won.

I recognise that he did a lot of bad things too though, like some of the purges affected people completely uninvolved, or were even loyal to him to the death (Some people even begged their executors to call up Stalin himself, that there must've been some kind of mistake).

How was it the USSR's fault for just sitting there doing nothing? Hitler attacked first, Stalin and the Soviet command's only fault was that they weren't prepared for it. Stalin genuinely thought Hitler wouldn't be this retarded that he'd follow through with his lebensraum, and he turned out to be wrong. Hell weeks before Barbarossa the Soviets gave praise to their 'German comrades' in propaganda.

Well that's cause the Germans invaded even with a non agression pact.

Kim Il Sung wasn't Stalinist? North Korea is basically still a Stalinist regime.

Are we just going to ignore the 30th partition of Poland between Germany and Russia?

Soviet half of occupied Poland had it much better, the Allies of Britain and France didn't really have an issue with Soviets doing what they did, clearly by not declaring war on them.

North Korea is Juche, a lot of references to communism are gone entirely.

Socialism in one country is not against some expansion especially if its for defensive reasons. Eg the Winter war was about securing the borders of Leningrad should Finland allow fascist troops to attack from its borders the city would be attacked quite soon all of this rather then gotta spread the revolution!!!.

Poland partation was just about buying time for the Soviets should the Getmans actually invade.

Wouldn't it be much better to keep the buffer state, should the Germans attack?

So great that Poland loves Russia now. Also, pretty sure they didn't like what Russia did, just smarter not to have two enemies to fight at once.

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Trotzki was more for an international socialism and stalin more for a soviet led communism

You're reading shitty propaganda biographies.

That is provably false.
If Russia agreed to partition Poland "to buy time before the German invasion," Stalin wouldn't have completely dismantled his entire defensive infrastructure.
He hadn't even fortified the new border before Germany invaded and Stalin sat on his ass watching the entire Russian army get their shit pushed in.
If he had known the invasion was coming, he would have fortified the new Polish border BEFORE dismantling all the defenses along the old one, and he wouldn't have ordered the Russian army to sit quietly and watch the Wehrmacht roflstomp half way to Moscow before finally reacting.

Well the dude was shocked by the invasion

>I watched propaganda designed to slander Beria and now I hate Beria
imagine

Stalin and Trotsky didn't hate each other that much. They just happened to be like Octavian August and Mark Anthony. Of course, they were different people with different talents etc.

For all intents and purposes there was no difference between Trotsky's permanent revolution and Stalin's Socialism and one country. Someone who had really different plans would be Buharin, the 3rd Lenin successor.

I'm not sure about Rosevelt, but Churchill directly approved Soviet action.

They say, that the British assassinated the entire Polish government in exile too, as they, on the other hand, started screeching autistically about the Soviet annexation and would never stop.

Somehow, that government travelled on a plane that fell down. Except British pilots and personnel all miraculously survived.

Well then I read more about him, especially how he was a serial rapist. Dude was a sick fuck. I think there was one story where Stalin's daughter was heard to be over there, and Stalin called the house and ordered her to leave.

there's literally no actual evidence that Beria did anything wrong other than one book which was written long after his death

Any accusations of Beria raping anyone are based on a single cold war-era work of fiction, popularized for exactly that reason.

>shilling for Beria this hard
I wasn't aware he had any remaining family

Dude it was only the pilot that survived. There were several important British people that died there too. Like an MP, the chief of a British naval station in the Middle East, and Ministry of Transport rep to the Persian Gulf. Little different.

Regardless, dude killed a fuck ton of people.

most of them had it coming

>if he didn't rape anyone he must have been a good guy

Stalinism was the same thing as marxist leninism with two differences
Refusal to compromise (no more NEP)
And
Refusal to embark on direct world revolution. (Subversion doctrine instead)

The million so people in The Great Purge had it coming? Lol k

Beria didn't become the chief of the NKVD until the Purge started to wind down.

Not necessarily, but Soviet Purges had their reasons, and these reasons aren't in that Stalin&Beria were bad, bad people.

Beria did not oversee the purges themselves, but there were still GULAGs, which had quite a big population. Big for the Soviet Union, but 20% less per capita than what the Land of the Free Home of the Brave incarcerates today, lol.

before he led the NKVD Beria was a station chief in Tbilisi, he hardly had any authority over the GULAG

That's just gossip, but a part about British reaction to Soviet annexation of East Poland (AKA western Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania) are true:

>the Russian armies should stand on this line was clearly necessary for the safety of Russia against the Nazi menace. At any rate, the line is there, and an Eastern Front has been created which Nazi Germany does not dare assail. When Herr von Ribbentrop was summoned to Moscow last week it was to learn the fact, and to accept the fact, that the Nazi designs upon the Baltic States and upon the Ukraine must come to a dead stop.

How did the virgin Hitler EVER try to compete with the Chad Stalin?!

Is one still a virgin if they've fucked their niece? Or does that not count?

What about the bodies found in his yard?

There was no millions in the Great Purge.

Just some high ranking politicians and generals.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

K 600,000

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Wrong. They had a collective economy making it not fascism.

>we have real letters between Trotsky and goverment/army officals before the purges talking about ways to get rid of Stalin.
Source?

They were all Stalinists. All of them built fucked up versions of planned economies with an eternal bureaucracy at the top instead of workers controlled, a massive oppressive secret police force, and cults of personality surrounding them and their shills. Their policies differed greatly from Lenin and Trotsky.

What are you smoking? There were huge differences between their comintern policies, especially in regards to how to handle the German, Spanish, and Chinese revolutions, all of which had their root in different theories of perminant revolution and SioC.
>Let's tell the communists in Germany to march with the Nazis against the Social Democrats for lulu!
>KMT wants to join the communist international while simultaneously purging the Chinese Communist Party? Np.
>Workers organizing collectives in Spain? Let's secretly torture them to death.

All of that are entirely tactical decisions that you frame from a certain critical viewpoint.

Both Trot and Stal amounted to a same thing. In brief, planned economy domestically, indirect support of the communists worldwide, worldwide propaganda of the Soviet ideals, supremacy of the Soviet Union over the worldwide communist movement.

Stalin was a counter revolutionary who choked the life out of the communist movement. Literally a megalomaniac who shopped people he didn't like out of photographs.

Or perhaps a great leader, who managed to sucessfully overcome most dangerous and severe political, economic and international crisis that his country faced, via drastic measures and with minimal losses.

For the record, Communist movement did just fine. It fell in decline in late 70s.

Wrong.

Army commander were purged on all levels, to the lowest.
The were literally not enough even somewhat-competent people to fill those roles, both in high command and normal officers. Many were nobodies with little-to-no training because of that.

In fact, that's the main reason behind abyssmal Red Army KDA, especially in the begining. Not the disregard for and waste of soldiers, although it also played a role, but a blatant incompetence of majority of command staff, on all levels.

There were famines and purges up the ying yang due to Stalinism. Communism's entire reputation is besmirched because of it.

That's a line of bullshit.


Stefan Bandera told you that?

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No.

Just former USSR colonel, who absolutely hates everything that happened in Ukraine post-independance. BTW he also doesn't like what Putin did in Russia, just not as hard.

shouldn't you be in class?

Beria died begging for mercy after ordering the deaths of tens of thousands. He was a coward and a rapist and a mass murderer.

However: He was not killed for any of that, he was killed because he wanted to reduce tensions with the USA through reforms even more radical than the ones he is portrayed as supporting in Death of Stalin. He wanted German reunification by returning the DDR to the west and possibly freeing some of the other satellite states, in return for sweet, sweet American money. I think if he had gained power there's a decent chance the USSR would still exist.

There's a USAWC lecture on youtube where the professor compares the average age of a German general and a Russian general in 1941, and I think some of the lower ranks as well. The Germans are universally around a decade older.

Shouldn't you be in Gulag?

Didn't Kruschev want reduced tensions too? That's why he came up with peaceful coexistence.