How advanced were native americans really? All meme's aside...

How advanced were native americans really? All meme's aside, I'm willing to accept that they weren't the dirt eaters our education system present them as but why do they take so much pride in calling themselves "natives" as if they didn't migrate here and genocide whoever was here before them?

Attached: %22native%22.jpg (460x460, 27K)

Other urls found in this thread:

theregister.co.uk/2013/11/21/native_americans_siberian_dna/
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

Which people were in America before the Injuns?

The land was empty you stupid retard

Not sure it was empty, but even if it was, they were still immigrants to the land and didn't just spontaneously appear on the north american continent.

Amerindians had a higher development rate than europeans.

Measured by what?

Some were okay but most were trash. They were not the noble savages they're portrayed to be

The Native Americans (as the Europeans classified them, guess I would say Indians) slaughtered the other peoples of the area thousands of years before.

1. Native American is a fairly recent term created by white (((liberals)))) as a fuck you to whites, who used to have things like the Nativist Party or call themselves Nartive America ie WASP. It's used exclusively in the USA and not a term they coined themselves. Many American Indians identify as Indian, although that number is going down as more young people go to college and learn the hip new lingo

2. Amerindians were not all the same. You had more advanced peoples in Meso America and Peru, and stone age hunter gatherers in the plains and jungles. Several groups had metallurgy. In North America there was the Mississippians a civilization very similar to the Maya who lived in city states, and were able to build large works like their earth pyramids. They worked with copper. But the culture collapsed around the 15-16th century. Right before the Europeans entered the area.

3. People take pride in whatever they are, no matter how dumb their cultures were, look at WE WUZ

If there were other people before them they would have slaughtered the megafauna.

Measured by literal development rate:
>europeans
>from aurignacian proto-gravettian to solutrean:10000 years (30000BC-20000BC)
>from aurignacian-antelian to start of crop development: 9000 years(30000BC-21000BC)
>from start of crop development to neolithic revolution: 10500 years (21000BC-10500BC)
>from neolithic revolution to earliest use of copper: 5500 years (10500BC-5000BC)
>from neolithic revolution to earliest use of tin bronze: 6700 years (10500BC-3800BC)

>Amerindians:
>from aurignacian proto-gravettian to clovis: 5500 years (16000BC-10500BC)
>from aurignacian proto-gravettian to the start of crop development: 5000 years (16000BC-11000BC)
>from start of crop development to neolithic revolution: 7000 years (11000BC-4000BC)
>from neolithic revolution to copper: 3000 years (4000BC-1000BC)
>from neolithic revolution to earliest use of tin bronze: 4700 years (4000BC-700 AD)


-"2003a. Tiwanaku Period (Middle Horizon) bronze metallurgy in the lake Titicaca basin: A preliminary assessment. En Tiwanaku and its hinterland, T 2. A. Kolata, (Ed.), pp. 404-434. Smithsonian Institution Press, Washington D. C."
-"1997. El bronce arsenical y el Horizonte Medio. En Arqueología, antropología e historia en los Andes: Homenaje a María Rostworowski, R. Varón y J. Flores E. (Eds.), pp. 153-186. Instituto de Estudios Peruanos, Lima."
-"researchgate.net/publication/317346941_Ancient_metalworking_in_South_America_A_3000-year-old_copper_mask_from_the_Argentinian_Andes";
-"Historia de América Andina: Las sociedades aborígenes"
-"link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02859340";
-"journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0141923";
-"whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/1873/";
-"es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoamericano";
-"en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluefish_Caves";

Amerindians had a higher development rate than europeans.
Dp you despise archeological facts?

Which has literally what to do with anything?

How did they get conquered so easily then?

Amerindians are as native to America the same as europeans are native to europe.

Autism or what? It means no one was there before them

Same as China, they got to a certain point where they felt things were good and there was no need to progress further, or that there was no further progress that couldn't be made. Such a feeling was never felt by Europeans.

Because they didn't develop much further than that. Also its important to note that disease killed off 80-90% of the Indians. North and South America would look a lot different than they do now if it wasn't for disease. Assuming the natives would all just die on plantations and get replaced by Africans anyways.

And in the case of the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs, they had a lot of native allies.

They're more native than you pal

There were though, ya dumb chudster. Took like 5 seconds on googol
>theregister.co.uk/2013/11/21/native_americans_siberian_dna/

Disease and a different conception of war, to most native cultures it was ritual and not an existential activity as it was for Europeans

>China
>conquered
?

But the chinese are still the most populous people on the earth today. Obviously there is a difference between the two if one's population is thriving to this day and the other's is basically decimated.

Diseases destroyed Amerindian civilizations.

>1 disease wipes out 40% european population and ger invaded by nomads
>20+ diseases murders more than 90% Amerindians for centuries and they still survive
More like, how did Amerindians show better behavior against non-immunized diseases than europeans?
There is no evidence of stagnation.

Yes, they came from Siberia. What does that have to do with anything? Do you know where Siberia is?

At its core, war is always about dominating the other m8, no matter what your books tell you.

Oh shit.

Why should I care? Naive Americans don't real anymore, and the United States exists.

Yeah, sorry, shit link. But the Siberian ones killed the native humanoids in the Americas before them.

Obviously a higher level of development than native Australians and Africans, and depending on what culture you're talking about (ex: Maya and Inca) actually bretty smart. Aztecs were somewhat advanced but also savage and brutal. Many North American plains tribes massacred buffalo and completely wasted their resources despite the "le use every part of the animal" meme. Lots of interesting shit to look into though.

Yes but the European way of doing that was destroying your enemy's capacity to make war, the ritual sense was by a few token killings/kidnappings

It depended entirely on the tribe in question.

I very often see american anons here who describe the native americans of the older times like "the literal nigers", can anyone elaborate on what they mean by that and is it accurate in any way?
I have no frame of reference, since I'm a slav.

I think he might be referring to acts of violence and theft commited by native bands? Alchoholism was also surprisingly high since neither their bodies nor culture were built around the concept.

European colonizers won out thanks to disease, higher yields from farming, and tech; but any small community of colonists would be vulnerable to raids by natives that are a mixture of angry and opportunistic

>They're more native than you pal
Absolutely meaningless

more meaningful than you

At least speak english if you claim to be from the US.

Native American makes them seem like they are from outside the country. They are the real and orignal 'Americans'. But American has become synonymous with White Americans. We should get rid of the term Native American and just call them American. Either everyone else is American or only they are American and the rest can be European-American, African American, Asian American, Latin American etc. White liberals and conservatives want to have it both ways as usual.

>Mississippians
In a sense, the people that eventually were encountered there by the Europeans were basically living in a sort of post-apocalyptic world

There was also a huge plague that hit the entire continent around the same time as the Mississippian die off