Is this achievable natty?

ITT: 130 lb balloon animal Manlets

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6'1

Maybe if you're a turbo manlet. I'm 5'9"/5'10"ish and probably still too tall for ever getting that look as a natty.

Who came up with this bullshit that if you're a manlet that it means you can look like you're on tren?

Fucking this place is a joke.

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Bullshit :D
This board is fuckin retarded, manlet this manlet that. You can look like that with good proportions,even if youre 5'9 fagget.

sure brah achievable with maybe 2 years of lifting and good diet
never doubt the power of hard work

thanks brah, you have any awesome supps I could buy to help power-boost me to it? thanks brah

Totally....., it's gonna take some years tho.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=GMTMAPw3ajs

If goobys right no you cant

dude is so full of shit. "doing core exercises won't give you abs," like the rectus abdominis is some kind of magical muscle that doesn't adapt to stress. that idea that 2011 zyzz is beyond the natty limit is absurd.

Yeah i hope so those that vid is depressing as fuck

It's not bullshit. Manlets make muscle gains faster.

Manlets fill out faster, but if they stay natty they stilll look natty.

You don't just get the visual shrink-wrap full hard effects of test, tren & mast by being 5'7.

Fucking retards.

got some bad news for you newfriend

lifting = balloon muscle

calisthenics= hard muscle

Hell no. You can't be big and lean without roids. Only delusional cucks believe that

The natty limit for manlets is higher than lankets.

yeah testosterone and termbolone and dianabol should work

>Yeah i hope so those that vid is depressing as fuck

HAHHAHAH ITS LIKE YOU JUST FOUND OUT THAT SANTA DOESNT EXIST

Its funny because natty lifting is exactly like that feeling. Everyone you look up-to that motivated you to start lifting is on steroids, and you quickly learn that you'll never look anything like that naturally, and that obtaining that "wow factor" requires not only steroid use, but steroid abuse.

What happens next for you?

1. You quit.

2. You get on steroids and keep lifting and get the results you want.

3. You accept reality, keep on lifting, and just stay looking average.

4. You refuse to accept the reality of natty gains, dig your head in the sand, and keep on lifting for years on end never looking anything like what you expected.

What path will you choose?

Yeah lucky i plan on doing a cycle later on

yes easily.

pic related is how i looked after 4 years of natty training.

I am even standing further from the camera and still looking bigger than him

How? Genetics and dedication.

No
Every Veeky Forumsizen will jump on the needle at some point

you have no idea what you are talking about

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See
Also been playing with Sarms a little, but i do understand to fill out my 6'4 frame it will come down to roids to get where i want to, but thats still a bit off.

Making good gains as it is and that wont stop me lifting im already bigger then most people and I love being in the gym

What did you do for shoulders, tris amd abs?
Mirin n-no homo

All these low-testosterone fellas here is kind of funny. Of course it is possible to achieve natural, learn how to utilize and increase your testosterone, how to have a good diet and lifestyle. And it will also work to have good genetics and build from before. I'm almost two meters tall, have a really dark voice, and big dick and i get gains really easy. It's almost been like that. I'm gonna post before and after pics after a month training to show you guys.

good argument lanklet. enjoy death at 55 from roids

Word of warning: MasT is a huge steroid abuser. Steroid abusers idea of "natty" means being on less than 2 grams of gear per week.

Seriously no memes, what is achievable natty? Am I really wasting my fucking time lifting natural?

What makes you you're being memed?

Nobody here owes you shit. Just keep on lifting naturally for the next few years and you'll look back at this conversation and know exactly what I'm talking about.

Just fuck off already.

>roid rage

If your self worth is determined by the size of the veins popping out of your biceps, you'll never be happy anyway.

look at this cunt.

If you're simultaneously lucky and unlucky genetically in exactly the right way, sure.

If you're 5'5" with 1200ng/dL natty test and you're willing to work out 6 days per week for a few years and then cut fat and dehydrate yourself to look like that for only a day or 2 before you begin to lose muscle.

>steroids
easiest way to spot the manlet, tbqh

ITT bushbud

Sure ops pic is most likely not possible natty but to day you can't look impressive at all as a natty is absurd

masT is also a raging fag that no one takes seriously or listens to.

Didn't mean to reply to.you

> that vid is depressing as fuck
Why? Just roid pussy.

Damn these beta delusions, exuces and rationalizations hurt my sides now that i have made it. Or maybe you are just trolling others.

Just eat and lift _correctly_ 2 years and you will look like a greek god.

so obviously written by a manlet lmfao

I'd imagine so but would be a very hard goal. I'd say 3 years of excellent training and diet at the least.

The opposite is true.
Manlets put on muscle easier but the limit of a lanklet is higher, they just seldom ever reach it.
Please stop posting, you are very stupid.

He's just saying it wrong. Most men have the same capacity for muscle growth barring genetic freaks. The basic noob gains/intermediate lifter gains are going to look better on a smaller frame. 20lbs of lean mass looks bigger on a smaller person. Why is that hard to understand?

He's actually saying the opposite
>The natty limit for manlets is higher than lankets.
Why is that so hard to understand?

The reality is that yes, roid abuse is needed to impress anybody on Veeky Forums, or anybody in the bodybuilding community.

But normies already think youre ripped if youre ottermode, and if you lift natty and do your best you will look better than 90% of males out there.

People who are here too often easily get affected by body dysmorphia. Pro-tip: go to a local beach or pool every once in a while, and observe how most of the male population looks untrained and shit, it puts you back on earth

taking steroids is the most beta thing you can do.
firstly, you're not fooling anyone.
secondly, most women will think you're just overcompensating (ie: small dick, ugly face), which is 99% of the time true.
lets face it, people that use steroids are the most insecure, self-loathing people on the planet.
you have to be to fuck your hormones/health up that much.
it's honesty pathetic and i feel bad for them.

heres what will happen instead:

>Veeky Forumsizen goes to pool
>ignores how every guy look except for that one guy who looks bigger than him
>goes back home, goes on Veeky Forums and shitpost that you need roids and genetics to look good

You can get that shredded/jacked as a natty just not in the shoulders and pecs.

Kek, no. Good physique though, kind of what I'm going for (with the help of celltech)

Depends what you want to accomplish by lifting. Natty will still look big to normies. Lifting makes you healthier and strength is never a bad thing. Roids will make you huge though.

kek

Not any of that but i still plan on cycling or permanent cruising because why not I've been going hard in the gym with a good diet and amazing cardio now but look slightly above average

6'3 235 lbs

Roids will only make you huge if everything else is dialled in

test

A physique that is impressive to anybody who is not in the bodybuilding community

>because why not
because you're ruining your insides to be a little less ugly

If you goal is to look like Zyzz or Jeff Seid you're gonna need roids. If your goal is to have ottermode aesthetics, bench 3pl8, and still be able to do a sub 17 min 5k you can do that natty it'll just take a few years.

You only ruin it if you do it recklessly do your research friend

yea, ok kid.

>you're not fooling anyone
who's trying to?
>most women will think you're just overcompensating
lol imagine caring what women think? they just think big muscles are hot desu anyway
> small dick, ugly face), which is 99% of the time true
lol, [citation needed]
>people that use steroids are the most insecure, self-loathing people on the planet
lol wut, again, how do you know this? not true
>you have to be to fuck your hormones/health up that much.
health risks are minimal with the way intelligent users use. hormonal worst case scenario is you go on TRT for life. LOL. oh noooo
>it's honesty pathetic and i feel bad for them.
k.

i dont even use, you're just a faggot

I'm 25 with a huge athletic background pro tip most of your favorite athletes aren't natty

I used to follow his instagram, he's 5'9 and im sure he uses roids because in some photos
>like the one you posted
He has a huge red circle over his big vein

i remember when i was an underage faggot too.
maybe you'll smarten up in a few years.

pro tip, you're not a professional athlete and never will be.

STOP WATCHING YOUTUBE SHILLS WHO LIE ABOUT BEING NATTY

Watching vids from people like Jeff Seid or Connor Murphy are poison for your brain, probably even worse for your mental state than watching porn

didn't refute anything I said, just called me underage. which im not. Lol. loser

because you type like a 9 year old child on the autism spectrum, i won't even bother.

again, not arguing, just name calling. brainlet

Steroids are the real waste of time. Really, you waste decades of your life by fucking dying early.

6 foot is the cuttoff for this, I base this on a fact that one can not really be a gymnast if he is over 6'
And gymnasts are usually natty

I don't care and that dude said it all your probably just afraid to try it give it a go what's the worst that can happen in 12 weeks if your responsible

>le zyzzmode is achievable natty
Zyzz died over 6 years ago and there are zero (0) natties walking this earth today with this level of shreds/mass.

Go look at scott herman or the broscience dude then come back to me

>gymnasts are usually natty
jeff please

>dude on the right
did he get a mastectomy or something? garbage pecs

>your probably just afraid to try it
damn dude, you defintiely caught me. takes a real man to stick a needle in his ass.
get real bro, i don't want to do it because the benefits don't outweigh the risks.
any logical adult will come to the same conclusion.
truth is, i'm not insecure enough to do it.

Do your research like your own research don't listen to memes or fit seriously you are lying to yourself you will find out all of fit and sports is a lie and you missed out on being a pro because you didn't start at 18

How do I know if I have bad genetics? Naturally I have large calf muscles, but all else is small.

i'm 24 dude, 6'3 215.
i box and although there are steroid users, it's not that common. also you can tell immediately who's using and those guys get singled out/get bad reps. I never needed shit like that to compete and i don't want to. What's the point? As soon as you stop you lose all your gains anyway. And how the fuck do you even pay for all that shit? It's simply not worth it.

HGH use is rampant in professional boxing

It's like 250$ for a years worth buddy and steriods and test are different do your research any man over 23 whose cut is probably on trt

>t. mcfatty

It's so easy to be cut, literally dont eat lardo

What does it matter? Routine is the least important from the list. Volume is what you need.

1.Genetics
2.Diet
3.Gear
4.Routine.

Info based on a pile of shit, like your existence. You're just mad i got those results natty you can't even achieve with steroids.

The highest i ever went was 800 gram test-e. Never went above 1 gram. I also never used tren. Mostly using test and masteron.

>How do I know if I have bad genetics
Look in the mirror. Do you see yourself? Then yes, that's the confirmation that you have bad genetics.

years worth of what, test or steroids?
Also, why take testosterone? I can see if you were maybe in your mid 30's but 25 and taking test..for what?

>you need steroids to be the best athlete you can be
lol, get cucked dicklets

I luh you, I natty!

and he's a fucking bum, go figure

>You're just mad i got those results natty you can't even achieve with steroids.
>The highest i ever went was 800 gram test-e. Never went above 1 gram. I also never used tren. Mostly using test and masteron.

So you're natty but you used test and masteron.