William "Plantation Cremation" Sherman

>William "Plantation Cremation" Sherman
>William "Hotlanta" Sherman
>William "Ablate the Confederate" Sherman
>William "Own a slave? I'll put you in your grave" Sherman
>William "Fight for Lee and I'll make you flee" Sherman
>William "Disaster for the master" Sherman
>William "Confederacy Degeneracy" Sherman
>William "Buy some kiddies and I'll level your cities" Sherman
>William "Blacks are shackled? Prepare to get tackled" Sherman

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He killed her.

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I love these, but feel it needs to be noted Sherman was not anti-slavery, just anti-succession/pro union.

Obligatory: Do it again, Uncle Billy~

I realize I spelt secession wrong, do not mock me. ._.

Do it again, uncle billy.

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Yeah, but he arguably freed more slaves than any other Yankee general, plus they resettled slaves on former plantations.

Ultimately I just like him because he provokes so much butthurt from Neo-Confederates.

Oh, I agree the memes are beautiful

Sherman was prettier than Ann.

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Do it again, Uncle Billy!

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Oh, man, these threads are just so epic haha

>Bill: "okay boys we're gonna dismantle the confederate infrastructure, just be careful not to burn down everything"
>Union Army: "BURN DOWN EVERYTHING????"

DO IT AGAIN, UNCLE BILLY!

>William "Plantations scorched, Dixies torched" Sherman
>William "Try and secede, you won't succeed" Sherman
>William "Black incarceration, urban immolation" Sherman

That first one is my favorite

>"Black incarceration, urban immolation
>didn't mind slavery
lol nice try

Truuu

...I love talking about Sherman and all, but these threads always turn into a circle jerk

Yeah to keep picking cotton to be sent up North
mshistorynow.mdah.state.ms.us/articles/291/cotton-and-the-civil-war

I actually laughed.
Also,
Do it again Uncle Billy

DO IT AGAIN UNCLE BILLY!!!

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I GOT THAT CALAMINE LOTION BILLY
DO IT AGAIN

William "he destroyed my Union-supporting great-something grandfather's farm" Sherman
FUCK YOU

>You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it.

>Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth — right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else, you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first, you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail.

Was he right?

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The southeners had that muh cotton is king mentality

>William "slavery is good for the negro" Sherman

Based.
shejew deserved the burning.

Inb4 Sherman actually wasn't anywhere near your something great grandfather's farm at the time

Yes.

Absolutely prophetic

y*nkees are rude people
y*nkees have no culture
y*nkees sit in ivory towers demanding laws the serve to inflate their egos, with repercussions felt only by others
y*nkees are responsible for every leftward push in the United States
y*nkees brought the Irish and Germans in to open the floodgates of America, then to push for Mexicans and all manner of non-Americans
y*nkees are the only ones who will elect a socialist in the United States
y*nkees are soulless wretches who drive like shit and treat strangers poorly

i wonder who could make such a thread in the current year? do you think this individual actually cares for our nation, or does he want to beat on the corpse of a conservative american undercurrent?

i hope all y*nkees live to see their nice towns torn to shreds under the weight of the diversity they push so hard.
just a reminder you deserve every single ounce of black-on-white crime from the Great Migration northward into your towns.

eat shit and die, Billy y*nk
t. Johnny Reb

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But we're all yankees now, Cletus :^)

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Maybe if the south didn’t import blacks wholesale to work for their lazy asses, this wouldn’t be a problem.

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>y*nkees brought the Irish and Germans in to open the floodgates of America
Kek, I wouldn't be here if not for that.

t. Yankee of German and Irish heritage

DO IT AGAIN, UNCLE TECEMUSH!

BURN THEM ALL! BURN THE ENTIRE SOUTH!

Based Bill Sherman

These threads have become Reddit tier circle jerks, but I am a huge fan of Uncle Billy. Do it again Tecumseh!

I got to ask though, how did Southerners who served in armored divisions in WWII feel about driving a Sherman? Did Southern historical revisionists exist yet?

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He din du nuffin

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The reality is Trump took the election lying to coal country. There is no amount of deregulation that is going to make coal boom again for one simple reason: Capitalism.

Natural gas is cheaper, it's safer, it's more energy efficient. That's where the money is going. And what companies are staying in coal are doing so with automation. It's a hell of a lot easier, cheaper, and safer to just use automated drills and machines.

Coal is just a dying field but coal towns refuse to move on and will instead put their hope in lies that the job their pappy and gran-pappy had will be saved. It won't and the sooner they move to new industries the better.

>I got to ask though, how did Southerners who served in armored divisions in WWII feel about driving a Sherman? Did Southern historical revisionists exist yet?
Good question. I do know the modern "confederate" flag wasn't used until desegregation, and civil rights provoked a lot of the neo-confederate movement we see today.

Took a public history class (I recommend it), one of the units was just about archives. After the civil war, the first ones created in the south to document it were funded by rich white southerners, the people who had once owned slaves. You bet your ass they focused on preserving documents that supported the idea their cause was righteous, so the answer to your question is they probably weren't too enthusiastic about the name.

Also, in 1920 the KKK was revitalized (this is around the time confed. statues started going up), and I'd imagine at least some of that sentiment stuck around.

also, I agree on the circle jerk remark, but I am also a fan

>mfw Yankees helped them get slaves in the first place

>destroys your army of the tennessee

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Cringe

>William "War is hell for a southern belle" Sherman

>William "Plantation Cremation" Sherman

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>a man from the 19th century would be on contemporary leftists side
For fuck's sake, user.

These threads are weird. You all act like you're having le epic bantz triggering the eternal c*nfederate when literally no one in the south give a shit about the civil war.

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you sure about that

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Yes because I'm from Louisiana and no one has any hot opinions on Sherman.

>Sherman
These threads always try to paint him as some vicious, edgy conqueror, but he was anything but.
I'm a pro-union southerner btw

>Sherman tank explodes
>shrnapel from the tank kills you

>Louisiana
That’s not The South that’s Niggerville

>being unable to defeat evil means you shouldn’t resist it
Uh why do yankees pretend to be the good guys?

It's not so bad outside of the cities.

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Because the south went full chimpout and then attacked Sumter.

I was in a history class and when the prof was talking about Sherman, this kid from Florida said "don't even say that man's name."

William "Krispy Konfederacy" Sherman.

I'd say that's half wrong. Here in Tennessee we take some interest in the Civil War but not in Sherman since his march to the sea was south of us. That and there aren't really a lot of unironic Neo Confederates as much as just history dorks who like talking about Forrest a lot.

Guys like that are the reason I don't participate in Sherman threads. We had a brilliant nationalist figure in him and it's been tarnished.

HURRAH
HURRAH
WE BRING THE JUBILEE

>William "Southerner Carbonizer" Sherman
>William "Light My Fire" Sherman
>William "Burning Down The House" Sherman
>William "Quagmire Bonfire" Sherman
>William "Southern Barbecue" Sherman
DO IT AGAIN, UNCLE BILLY

>y*nkees brought the Irish and Germans in to open the floodgates of America, then to push for Mexicans and all manner of non-Americans

This one is actually incorrect. Yankees wanted to ban catholic immigration, but the southern aristocracy knew that Catholics vote Democrat and blocked the measures to stop their immigration in order to gain voters in the north. the Democrat strategy from the time of the parties foundation has been immigrants = voters.

>William "Beuregard gets Charred" Sherman
>William "Georgia Cookout" Sherman
>William "Bring the Jubilee" Sherman
>William "Try to Secede, I'll make you Bleed" Sherman
>William "Attack Fort Sumter, you get plundered" Sherman
>William "Slaves get the Whip, Charleston gets smashed to bits" Sherman

Interestingly enough, the Know Nothings tried to court immigrants too, usually protestants but IIRC they tried to court the catholics in certain areas.

You light my fire Uncle Billy ;)

Sherman tanks had the highest survival rate of any WWII tank cuz of spring loaded escape hatches m8

Why are people like you so unable to discern obvious comedic overtones just because of your politics, and yet have the gall to construe 'sjwism' as a purely leftist phenomenon

HURRAH
HURRAH
THE FLAG THAT MAKES YOU FREE

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yay!

youtube.com/watch?v=ldCKmAvfWLU

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SO WE SANG THE CHORUS FROM ATLANTA TO THE SEA

Because we live in a culture where someone would unironicaly make that image thinking that Sherman's hostility toward the Confederacy boiled down to "raysis BAD!1!!"

>William "When followed by the brown, in the creek they shall drown" Sherman
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebenezer_Creek

Sherman was the British name for the M4 Tank, it didn't catch on in the US until after the war.

>William "attempted succession will face my aggression" Sherman

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DO. IT. AGAIN. UNCLE. BILLY.

>Sherman was not anti-slavery
This is bullshit, he was no abolitionist ideologue but he certainly thought very poorly of slave-owners like most northerners and other anglo-saxons at the time, stood by the Union's decision to emancipate the slaves and notably welcomed runaway slaves in his army, and was convinced he did them a great favor by freeing them. How is that not being against slavery?

>notably welcomed runaway slaves in his army
Welcomed them into the creek lel

>Davis made the callous decision to abandon camp followers at one point because they were hurting the war effort
>clearly this shows Sherman hated negroes and supported slavery
gee I wonder who could be behind this post

Willam 'make love to a rebel by raping his anal' sherman

>Davis defended his actions as a matter of military necessity,
>with Sherman's full support.
Sorry uncle billy isn't your Antifa hero.

WHILE WE WERE MARCHING THROUGH GEORGIA

>with Sherman's full support
What's your source, lad?
I wouldn't even be shocked if it's true, Sherman considered everyone and every atrocity an acceptable sacrifice in achieving victory and bringing a quicker end to the war. But I haven't heard people blaming Sherman for Davis' decision or even for standing by Davis.

There reference is right in the article, Sherman's own memoirs. Now stop trying to meme Sherman into the American bomber Harris.

|The Secretary of War, Stanton] inquired particularly about General Jeff. C. Davis, who, he said, was a Democrat, and hostile to the negro. I assured him that General Davis was an excellent soldier, and I did not believe he had any hostility to the negro[...] He then showed me a newspaper account of General Davis taking up his pontoon-bridge across Ebenezer Creek, leaving sleeping negro men, women, and children, on the other side, to be slaughtered by Wheeler's cavalry. I had heard such a rumor, and advised Mr. Stanton, before becoming prejudiced, to allow me to send for General Davis, which he did, and General Davis explained the matter to his entire satisfaction. The truth was, that, as we approached the seaboard, the freedmen in droves, old and young, followed the several columns to reach a place of safety. It so happened that General Davis's route into Savannah followed what was known as the "River-road," and he had to make constant use of his pontoon-train--the head of his column reaching some deep, impassable creek before the rear was fairly over another. He had occasionally to use the pontoons both day and night. On the occasion referred to, the bridge was taken up from Ebenezer Creek while some of the camp-followers remained asleep on the farther side, and these were picked up by Wheeler's cavalry. Some of them, in their fright, were drowned in trying to swim over, and others may have been cruelly killed by Wheeler's men, but this was a mere supposition. At all events, the same thing might have resulted to General Howard, or to any other of the many most humane commanders who filled the army.

Sherman is fucking scary. Glad I wasn’t alive in the south then.

[Stanton still has concerns and proceeds to interview some freed slaves about the emancipation efforts, and then on Sherman specifically:]

Twelfth Question. State what is the feeling of the colored people toward General Sherman, and how far do they regard his sentiments and actions as friendly to their rights and interests, or otherwise.

Answer. We looked upon General Sherman, prior to his arrival, as a man, in the providence of God, specially set apart to accomplish this work, and we unanimously felt inexpressible gratitude to him, looking upon him as a man who should be honored for the faithful performance of his duty. Some of us called upon him immediately upon his arrival, and it is probable he did not meet the secretary with more courtesy than he did us. His conduct and deportment toward us characterized him as a friend and gentleman. We have confidence in General Sherman, and think what concerns us could not be in better hands.

[Sherman's commentary on the above:] It certainly was a strange fact that the great War Secretary should have catechized them concerning the character of a general who had commanded a hundred thousand men in battle, had captured cities conducted sixty-five thousand men successfully across four hundred miles of hostile territory, and had just brought tens of thousands of freedmen to a place of security; but because I had not loaded down my army by other hundreds of thousands of poor negroes, I was construed by others as hostile to the black race. I had received from General Halleck, at Washington, a letter warning me that there were certain influential parties near the President who were torturing him with suspicions of my fidelity to him and his negro policy; but I shall always believe that Mr. Lincoln, though a civilian, knew better, and appreciated my motives and character.

[from Halleck's letter:]
To those who know you as I do, such accusation will pass as the idle winds, for we presume that you discouraged the negroes from following you because you had not the means of supporting them, and feared they might seriously embarrass your march. But there are others, and among them some in high authority, who think or pretend to think otherwise, and they are decidedly disposed to make a point against

[Sherman concludes]
There is no doubt that Mr. Stanton, when he reached Savannah, shared [the thoughts of the conspirators], but luckily the negroes themselves convinced him that he was in error, and that they understood their own interests far better than did the men in Washington, who tried to make political capital out of this negro question. The idea that such men should have been permitted to hang around Mr. Lincoln, to torture his life by suspicions of the officers who were toiling with the single purpose to bring the war to a successful end, and thereby to liberate all slaves, is a fair illustration of the influences that poison a political capital.

I also find it quite ironic that some 150 years later, unpleasant people are still trying to slander Sherman to "try to make political capital out of the negro question"

I'm the op of that post. Again, I really like Sherman, both for the memes and because I find him genuinely interesting. However, I don't think he had a strong opinion for or against slavery and that is why I said he was not anti-slavery.

In a letter to the waifu in November 1860 he claimed he didn't vote in the election, but if he had he would have voted Bell, who basically wanted to ignore the issue all together.

Another letter to her on the 29th of that month says "I am sick of this everlasting subject... Here they know that all you in Ohio have to do is steal n*ggers, and in Ohio though, the people are quiescent... they believe that the South are determined to enlarge their area of N*ggers... I say Damn the N*ggers-- I wish they were anywhere or be kept at their work." Of course, one could interpret this as him just venting, but there is other evidence as well.

To his brother on December 9, 1860 he said "I think it would be folly to liberate or materially modify the condition of the slaves. Their labor & its fruits are necessary to the civilized world... Any tampering with it is the most unkind to the negros, and causes the very natural outburst of the whites--But if states secede on this pretext, it will be of course only the beginning of the end."

I'm focusing on correspondences at the begining/just before the war though. I haven't read too much from the middle/end/after yet and people's opinions do change over time, but before the war and in the beginning I stand by the argument that he had no strong feelings either way, he just wanted the Union to remain at peace.

Sherman's view of slavery in the broad sense was very nuanced and pragmatic.

This is also from 1860 and I think it really captures his character and outlook:
”The people of Louisiana were hardly responsible for slavery, as they had inherited it; I found two distinct conditions of slavery, domestic and field hands. The domestic slaves, employed by the families, were probably better treated than any slaves on earth; but the condition of the field-hands was different, depending more on the temper and disposition of their masters and overseers than were those employed about the house. Were I a citizen of Louisiana, and a member of the Legislature, I would deem it wise to bring the legal condition of the slaves more near the status of human beings under all Christian and civilized governments. In the first place, in sales of slaves made by the State, I would forbid the separation of families, letting the father, mother, and children, be sold together to one person, instead of each to the highest bidder. And, again, I would advise the repeal of the statute which enacted a severe penalty for even the owner to teach his slave to read and write, because that actually qualified property and took away a part of its value.”

What's rather clear is that he disapproved of chattel slavery as practiced in the South, and he considered it a necessary evil at best. He may have been okay with some other, more classical form of slavery that treated slaves as human beings.
Either way, he deeply understood that the entire system was embedded in Southern society and radical abolitionist plans would be catastrophic, and supported reform instead. In another letter to his wife he explained that if she moved to the South she would be forced to buy a slave whether she likes it or not because she would be unable to hire servants, as "everyone in the South is lazy." I'm sure this reasoning made him argue that slavery was needed to produce goods.

I also think that whatever his personal take on the question was back then, the biggest point is that he decided to abide the decision of the Union to emancipate slaves, out of loyalty if nothing else.

I'm kinda not surprised that Sherman would've liked Bell. Bell was the favorite for many southern unionists until the guy joined the secessionist side and many of his friends abandoned him over it including a guy who even named one of his sons after him.

Good read

youtube.com/watch?v=Pl8Fcw2u0rU semi-related, any reason they chose Marching Through Georgia for the tune of this?

interesting lol