Combat Sports

Kickboxing sounds like a lot of fun too. I'll have to look into that as well.

>The majority of real-life street fights go to the ground, my friend.
Found the guy who's never been in a fight. That stat was bullshit back in the 90s when it came up (Yes, I am that old) and it's still bullshit now.

I eman, wtf, people still believe this shit? It's literally a 25 year old urban legend, man. Grow up.

>The most valuable self defense aspect of bjj is getting yourself up off the ground quickly and safely.
It doesn't work irl. Neither do takedowns, btw.

The Gracies know this, why don't you.

>many boxer would lose to a krotty man
Lmao

OP here. Not looking to be competitive or anything. Like this user said, it's just a good way to get some social interaction and learn some valuable skills.

Jesus what a snooty cunt you are

I never said anything about takedowns, but sweeps and then getting up work very well against someone who doesn't know what's happening. I would never willingly go to the ground, that's why i also study wrestling and Thai boxing to fight standing and stay of the ground.

Then boxing is fine, so are most forms of kickboxing (I prefer them due to being more varied)
Also less girls in boxing.

I started BJJ a while ago and I'm having fun. I mean I'm getting the shit kicked out of my every time but I still like the feeling of grappling. I also get to do cardio without being bored to death.

Don't quote me on this but I've heard that boxing training is a shitload of cardio, like way more than actual sparring and punching. In BJJ you get to spar against an opponent (that fights back 100%) every time, which I think is really valuable (and fun).

Easily. Because they don't get the training they would need.

Grappling with a gi is the dumbest shit

I think boxing emphasizes cardio so much because you want to be as lean as possible for weight class reasons. Also for endurance of course.

>that boxing training is a shitload of cardio, like way more than actual sparring and punching.
Incorrect, unless you're in a terrible, terrible gym.
Most of time in mine is spent doing drills with different partners to get used different reach.
Then you have sparring and conditioning.
Nah, you've got to hold all your rounds. All the technique in the world is useless if you can't use it because your gloves are slow and you drag your feet.
But boxing by itself is conditionning. A great runner with a fantastic cardio can make a poor boxer if he doesn't box enough.

muay thai if you want to litteraly beat every single fighting style AND still win street fights even if the opponent has hieght or wieght advantage

Boxing of course. BJJ is the combat sport of choice for guys who want to practice a martial art with the least amount of fighting required of them because they are pussies.

You need to devote time to master a master art. If hes doing two hes spending less time mastering either. Just go to any random mma gym and look at how well rounded the guys who do a bit of everything are. Spoiler, they are jokes

If you are an American you wont find a decent kickboxing gym because its basically a dead sport. Boxing gyms are the real deal though.

Do boxing, it will give you what you want and the guys who go to boxing gyms are serious dudes unlike most other marital arts guys in America.

If you have a lot of experience with bjj or wrestling and the other guy doesn't, you can fuck them up on the ground. Like being in water with a shark.

OP again. Boxing it is. Thanks guys.

That or if you want to win.

Oh btw I live in Denver in case anyone has recs for a specific gym.

what boxing gyms are you going to where the people there are not being trained properly? i am from a country where lots of people do boxing and any gym i have been to was full of decent fighters at the very least. i also know plenty of people who do karate and aside from a few killers most of those guys would get decapitated in a fight by a boxer. not that it even matters necessarily as karate is hardly about wrecking people in fights.

OP if you want to learn how to fight just do boxing/kickboxing/muay thai or whatever. karate, tae kwan do and bjj are fine as sports of course.

This is bullshit

Both, but definitely do more boxing if it's self defence, you don't need to do much bjj to be able to be way ahead of the average joe on the ground.

Someone post the infographic
>tfw poorfag who has to do boxing + judo instead of muay thai + bjj

The best combat sport is the one you enjoy. Try both and see what happens.

I have been in a couple of real fights in my life wear do you live where fights end in death? lol like most of the time you just go at each other until a bouncer breaks it up or the other guy can't fight anymore.

Try living around niggers maybe? Apes dont have the self control you and i do and will keep jumping on your head while screeching WORLDSTAR while their BM twerks in the background.

youtube.com/watch?v=fQ0wTYdXn_o

I do Kyokushin Karate and kickboxing, I honestly recommend both hand in hand. After classes Sensei lets us fuck around so I just wrestle anyone who's up for it and sure enough everyone is. I met the most awesome people and it's as if were a big family. Even the kids are nice. I'm training to compete in a 2019 MMA gala, the dudes I wrestle are super encouraging too. Just find a place where both the coach (or Sensei) and the students care about you. That's the best way to make any sort of progress!

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ayy just leave the shit hole you come from breh. Honestly it would be bad for mental health living in a ghetto

I'll chuck my two cents in the hat. I did both Muay Thai and BJJ for two years each. Lets assume you only have the time/money/resources to only pursue one in addition to lifting (remember they are both crazily cardio intensive).

1. The most important factor by far isn't what style, rather the competency of instruction. If they have produced winning athletes its a good sign.

2. A close second in importance is sparring. his is where you learn how to fight. You need to apply techniques (punches or submissions) on people who are trying to stop you.

This in mind I'll do a pro/con list

Muay Thai

pros:
- easier to pick up
You learn around 8 punches and maybe 4 or so kicks + blocking. This means you will pick up the techniques quicker and have competency faster.

-toughness
Nak Muay, (this applies to boxers as well) are fucking tough. The training is tough, attitudes are tough. Your shins will get hard from kicking bags and checking kicks.

-efficient
the techniques you learn are fucking effective, no lies. Seen plenty of unsuspecting people get taken out by a nasty leg kick, or put off balance by a good teep.

cons:
- cardio :(

-hard
training is really hard on the body. If you want to lift while you do it, you will have to increase your calorie consumption by a hot minute.

-time to sparring (gym dependent)
like I said initially, it changes from gym to gym but I started sparring after 3 months of technique and bagwork.

-scaling force
The great thing in the efficiency of being able to hurt someone/end a fight is a double edged sword. It doesn't leave you with much in terms of your only option is to knock someone tf out (up to you whether this is bad or not)

BJJ

Pros:

- scaling force
BJJ essentially has a bigger toolbox. Becuase of the focus on control, you have the choice just to pin someone down, or restrain without hurting them. As well as choking them out, if you need. (Anecdote - I used weight/control principles to restrain a drunk friend)

>Europe imports a ton of niggers
>totally forgot they had Russians to fill that role already

cont.

- untrained.

Put simply the difference on the ground between a trained and untrained person is far greater than a trained boxer vs an untrained person. An untrained person can get a lucky punch and knock you out. AN untrained person will not be able to do shit to you on the ground (provided reasonable size/weight difference).

cons

-lack of stand up/practical skills
MOst gyms suffer from this (see earlier about gym selection). My gym was great as we had instructors who came in regularly to teach us judo throws, wrestlers to teach us double legs etc.

-the ground in a street fight
You dont really wanna be here. It's okay 1 v1 but one soccer kick to your head and you are out.

-money
normally BJJ is more costly

-tradition
I dont like the obsession with exoticism. Been to a few gyms where there was far too much focus on tradition and bowing etc.

They are both great options and you need both striking and grappling in order to become a competent fighter/ to be able to defend yourself in a complete way. I would recommend doing Boxing/MT first, perhaps for 6 months or more. Muscle memory si great and the techniques are simple. Once you are good enough, you will be able to keep up competency with the moves by utilizing a heavy bag. Then transition into no-gi BJJ (closer to real life than Gi) for a year. There is far more that could be said for things like footwork, or space.

Or even better get a fucking gun and dont fight people you weirdo.

S-s-shane from fight tips?

Yes, in my spare time I like to mock people on Veeky Forums.
btw you're waifu a shit

I've recently put more focus into boxing than lifting. Its a fun and challenging sport. You definitely need to get your cardio and endurance up. Seriously, the avg person can last maybe 30 seconds fighting. After that you're gassed. Don't worry about cardio killing your gains, cardio is what will save you in any real world situation.

After just a few weeks I do feel like a much more competent fighter and confident against any normie. I will say, it is a humbling sport that makes you respect combat. There is no reason why anyone shouldnt take up boxing. It should be as essential as learning to start a fire. Without the skill, you are simply unequipped.

>I will say, it is a humbling sport that makes you respect combat.
Tell me about it
>Been boxing for several months
>Doing pretty good against most other newbies
>Pretty much because I'm a big guy ,usually 10 to 20kg over most guys
>Feeling cocky as hell
>Mid year approaches, coach starts to round promising people up for competition
>Get picked because I was invested and pretty serious about it
>Spar against him, full confident that this little 70kg guy would be a breeze, after all, weight classes are there for a reason
>Q-quick
>he evades every punch I throw
>Hit me like the rock
>Circle around me like he was on my orbit
>Basically just mop the floor with me, without even going 100%, just good technique and defense, while punishing my most obvious mistakes as hard as a 70kg guy could (which is pretty damn hard)
He was pretty cool about it, he wasn't trying to ego break, just push me to my limits, and they were really not far away for competition.

It's crazy how much you can learn in such a relatively simple sport. I was able to punch hard, evade and punish, control the ring, but I was so far from actually being a proficient fighter. Nothing beats such an experience. You can't blame anything but your own in the ring, and you'll be punched in the head for it

Wrestling complements weight training. Other martial arts tend to want you to be more flexible, thus have less muscle mass.

yup, its a humbling sport. ive seen some big dudes go through this exact thing. sometimes they end up with bruised egos and start acting like dicks, sometimes they learn.

Brain injuries creep me the fuck out. I've got a few family members who had accidents that completely changed who they were. Repeated minor trauma just does the same thing but slower.

Judo is great. If shit goes wrong you might break a collarbone or something, but very rarely do any permanent damage.
It's not particularly useful in a fight to the death sense, but nothing else teaches you body mechanics as well.
As far as I'm concerned it's the perfect martial art to complement lifting.
Also, I've never know a judoka that wasn't a bro.

Why do boxing whern you can do Muay Thai? You learn a lot more versatile striking.
Iv been doing bjj for about a year now and iv had judo guys come in to train and it seems that other then throws, judo is lacking in actually doing anything to an opponent. I would do bjj+wrestling over judo.

Recommending bjj because it's hella fun and you can do it a lot longer than boxing and it'll only wreck your hands and knees not brain.

Boxing is better if you're actually wanting to win fights at the bar, etc. But you shouldn't be doing that type of shit after 25.

Woops first was ment for OP

OP here again. I actually hadn’t even given a thought to Muay Thai. What does it involve exactly?

Its pretty much kickboxing with the emphasis on elbows, knees and clinching. Very useful and to me the best striking sport that isnt full blown mma.

Whats your overall goal? to compete? For self defense? For health? Combination of these?

Mostly for health and self defense. I’m 27 so definitely too old to start trying to be a competitive fighter. I’ve just always wanted to learn a martial art and I now have a good enough job to be able to pay for it.

I would stay stick with BJJ, best for overall self defense and will give you good experience to use in a potential fight. Plus almost no brain trauma which is always a plus.

anyone from Boston who can recommend a good boxing gym that won't break the bank?

it's a sport that originated in thailand
you punch, kick, and can use knees and elbows
lots of clinching involved, also a lot of leg kicks

it's very different from boxing and kickboxing, i've done all three and the way people tend to box in muay thai is different to how actual boxers box. kickboxing is also completely different in how the fighters typically move. it's pretty dope user, there's more variety to the way you can attack and because of the amount of clinching involved it will also give you a bit of an advantage there.

imo go for boxing or muay thai. kickboxing can be good but it's not as popular as the other two i don't think.

>completely changed who they were
wtf I'm going to try boxing now

This desu, Veeky Forums doesn't know just how many skinnyfat mexicans would wreck them

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Are you fkn high?
I have been boxing for a while, never been in competition, but have fought a lot of our competitors that go state/national or even international. I have never once felt like I was being used nor have I ever had a concussion in class. I get like one round with the top guys (this is when I go to the advanced class mind you), I'll have a few bruises on torso and face hurts a bit but that's it lol
The coach, at my gym and REGULAR gyms, will attempt to put you someone at your level most of the time.

Yeah, nothing like getting hit in the head.

This

nigger any boxing gym worth its salt requires the students to spar. I've never been to a faggot karaty dojo that even allowed students to spar until they were at least 1 year into training. And I'm not talking tap and go point sparring bullshit. Like beating the shit out of each other sparring in the boxing gym.

why are you upset about being able to practice 2 god tier fighting styles?

>if the other guy can't grapple, you WILL win

top kek. Unless the other guy is a fucking beast and just manhandles you which is entirely possible, or he just smacks the shit out of you before you can even get him to the ground.

Sumo is the strongest style

26yo here, doing mt for 7 months

in my gym there is only one light sparring session every week, so I feel I could be doing better if we were sparring more often.

anyway, it's great for health, since its heavy cardio demanding. you will get really fucking tired, which is great.

also, you will lose your fear, for me that was the best part

There is seldom a situation where you will need boxing skills.

What the fuck is going on in your life where you're going to need to use your combat sports for self defense? You can learn how to throw a punch in 3 classes and the rest of your time boxing is just sport.

If somebody is posing a physical treat that is unable to be diffused (and you have 3 mobsters behind you so you can't walk/run away), you need to have a weapon on you. Even if you don't want to use a gun, a pocket knife will deter a fight and end it quicker than you anime fist fury ever will.

The only situation that your fists are better than a knife is when you're in a boxing ring.

Any tips on scheduling and cals? I've been lifting for 2 years and have reached a good body and gotten strong. Now looking to focus on getting into mt while keeping my strength with a bit of bodybuilding on the side. Thinking of doing a modified phul w/ maybe 2 working sets instead of 3 as if I was cutting. Also, I bulk on +500 cals usually, what would you say is a good cal bulk incorporating 3 days a week mt and 3 or so days lifting? Thanks famo

Doing this for health and self defense btw, and don't want to lose muscle mass obv

I've trained in both, let me give you some insight

if you want self defence- I would go with boxing.stability and efficient footwork and the ability to put people out with well placed shots- in addition, it will serve you better against multiple opponents. BJJ is only effective against one guy. even if you're a black belt u have next to no chance against 2 people.

on the other hand, if you're big into lifting like most people on fit...BJJ is more compatible to train alongside lifting. BJJ and grappling actually require strength, whereas your boxing coachw ill likely tell you to quit lifting and increase your cardio. if you like lifting a lot and intend to continue, do BJJ. if you care about self defence do boxing.

I lean toward BJJ because you spar hard and often but you don't take damage. If you do boxing though you either go to a gym where you hit pads or a bag 100% of the time or a gym full of killers where you go home with a headache everyday.

On a side note I have a friend who's been to a grand total of 5 Muay Thai classes where he hasn't done a round of sparring and truly believes he is now a cold blooded killer, cringey as fuck.

lot of muay thai gyms both in thailand and here in the US don't really teach good handwork to the same level that you'll get in boxing. I'd recommend at least spending some time learning boxing as a focus.

judo is actually more concussion prone than one would think, Japanese are finally realizing this.

Your goals aren't really in line here
>Muay Thai
>Bodybuilding
Pick one.

Crazy idea but hear me out;

GO TRY EACH OF THEM FOR A MONTH

Im the user who wrote the essay above. What the other people have mentioned, + in terms of stance. Never done american kickboxing but in boxing the stance is quite bladed, meaning that ypur lead foot is horizontally closer, than the more squared stance of MT. Also the feet are further apart, boxers fight in a wa6 that elongates their arms (generally) so they can throw longer punches. In MT your stance is more square and close so you can block (check) kicks with your shin.

Considering I wrote that I highly doubt it. And his waifu is probably fine as long as she is 2D.

I thought of an addendum to the MT pros. But it applies to boxing as well. The feeling of getting punched in the face/kicked anywhere is very odd, and its somethinf that when most people experience for the first time makes them freak out. Boxing and MT are good becuase you learn what it feels like, with enough pain to hurt, but not enough to damage you.

With adult partners they almost never do that olympics shit that drive your head to the ground.

The biggest danger of judo is fucking up your joints if a whitebelt decides to muscle you around with poor technique, I lost both my acls that way

>people taking fights to the ground is an urban legend
what, i've never seen a bar fight where someone doesnt eventually get tackled

>2 full body weight training sessions per week utilizing basic barbell movements, unilateral kettlebell movements, and weighted chin-ups / pull-ups / parallel bar dips
>2 sessions of boxing per week
>2 sessions of judo per week
>1 session of taekwondo per week
>1 distance run on the weekend working up to a half marathon
>1 session of sprints, weighted carries, and prowler work on the weekends
>Joe DeFranco's Limber 11 and Simple 6 every morning
>literally do not stop shoving food into your mouth

:^)

I said a bit of bodybuilding just to keep a little pump at times and retain muscle. I have reached goals so I want to do muay thai

You'll quit after a month anw

Any help is appreciated, simple question

You learn more in boxing than just 3 moves. You learn how to move when someone tries to punch you. You get an eye for attacks. Reflexes, defense and counter.
Your punch will be harder and stronger. You learn how to knock someone out with a single blow. You train it every time you go to the boxing gym. Boxing is more than just throwing hands. It changes the whole character more than any "deep martial arts" could do.

wew lad you're kinky

So this thing happened yesterday. Somewhat overdue, but still pretty cool.

This thing.

Muay Thai
make sure you have iron, concrete-breaking legs before though

Boxing teaches you how to not just punch but to keep from getting punched and quick feet.
Also...training with boxing will help you shank someone with a knife better.

Congrats user, what did you do?

Lets have a fight story.

>had a fight some times ago
>it was a 3 on 1
>fight was hard and took some good shots
>after what felt like an eternity, my friends and I beat the fucker

Got promoted to BJJ purple belt.

Honestly no matter what you do, you should at least get to blue belt in BJJ, that way if anyone decides to take you down or run and tackle you in a fight, you'll be able to get up or not get taken down to begin with. (or do wrestling if you're still in school)