What the fuck was their problem?
What the fuck was their problem?
Justin Bailey
Caleb Kelly
ugh
Jeremiah Phillips
The locals were inept, someone had to cultivate the land
>In the 16th century a “second Ostsiedlung” would be developed and continued for some centuries in the recruiting by landowners of early industrial craftsmen from Germany. They were needed to progress the exploitation of mines, the processing of textile, in forest and wood working, and in cultivation of depopulated lands and towns. Marshes needed to be drained and cultivated for agriculture. The colonies of these second wave spread all over Bohemia, Poland and Galicia and a lot of them became assimilated by the surrounding Slav population, particularly in case they were of the Catholic faith and attended to by the autochthonous clergy.
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
Thomas Nguyen
They were just working on undoing the Slavic expansion of the Early Middle Ages. Ironically the Slavs themselves encouraged it since they desparately needed Germans to build up their towns.
Landon Johnson
Germanic's had already lived there prior to sl*Voids entering. They were just reclaiming their cousin's territory the sl*Voids stole.
Jonathan Brooks
It's a good lesson that bringing immigrants into your country can destroy it and replace the local population turning it into second class citizens.
Cameron Gomez
Slavs weren’t from that area to begin with
Eli Ross
Slavs created first states in the area.Germans weren't native to it and didn't create first states.
Jack Rodriguez
Germanics weren't native. They came in Iron Age and couldn't even hold to this territory.
Wyatt Perez
Slavs lived only in the olive color area.
Aiden Garcia
And yet majority of cities and settlements in modern East Germany have their roots in Proto-Slavic words, with no East Germanic involvement in any sight.
Gavin Reed
It's slavic lands.
Might makes right.
Mason Scott
>m-might makes r-right
>has to resort to posting a fantasy map to "prove" his claims on East Germany
lol
Jeremiah Brown
we can always post historical ones
Adam Clark
Slavs founded Berlin.
Christopher Ortiz
how about this?
Justin Howard
They called it Berlin after berl, a Polabian word for swamp.
Then g*rms came and tried to cover it up by making up some shit about bears.
Jace Gutierrez
Eastern germanics left those lands because they couldnt deal with swamps so good and the mediterran seemed to be the promised land of plenty, so the slavs moved in who appreciated the land and farmed it.
We dont know how the leftover germanics whete treated, in the case of the island of rügen were there were still some left, people seemed to have blanda'd up pretty willingly.
But then western german lands got into crop rotation and pretty good metallurgy and moved eastwards as the slavs did westwards.
Sometimes there was war due to the slavs being pagans, often it was just massmigration that went on more or less peaceful. In some cities slavic was banned which was a bit of a chauvinist move in others both languages got equal rights.
Some villages were segregated and it was fine like that (sorbs are the only leftover today, but in mecklenburg there used to be some slavic speaking ones too besides the german ones in the 18th century) in others you find a blend of german and slavic folklore such as seeing holy snakes as protectors of the house.
Angel Brooks
en.wikipedia.org
There are sill traces of it today. Districts in Berlin sharing the founder (and coat of arms) with some random small towns in Poland.
Thomas Foster
But according to you might makes right, so that land is rightfully no longer Slavic.
Ayden Price
East Germanics got marginalized to the role of serfs.
Julian Harris
show proof
John Johnson
"Wstęp do historii Słowian" - Jan Czekanowski.
West Slavs called serfs/unfree peasants "Gocie", meaning "Goth". Czekanowski was well respected among german/western schoolars, so he didn't make this shit up.
Jaxon Hernandez
I find the /pol/-tier discussions about haplogroups retarded but I read that it remained constant for the people living in what's today modern Poland . What does it say about the theory that they migrated in the 6th-7th century?
Landon Kelly
>Czekanowski was well respected among german/western schoolars, so he didn't make this shit up.
If anything that means he did make it up.
Justin Bell
Whatever floats your boat. I don't see any Goths around anywhere.
John Cox
ok
how can one person possibly be this fucking asshurt? Were you unironically raped by a German as a child?
Kayden Sullivan
Isaiah Hall
Well it makes sense, seems to be how late antiquicy tribes generally dealt with each other. Franks marginalisized the gallo-roman leftovers at the rhine too.
Again, the rani might be an exception as their name seems to have been adopted from the rugians who still were present in big enough numbers around the time of slavic migrations that the assimilation into slavdom must have been a bit more gradual.
Is a shame we dont have their language which died out 1400, would be interesting to see how much germanic substrate would be left which might explain relations/ethnogenesis between the groups.
Levi Turner
The Nordic Silingi in Silesia also remained :)
Cameron Cook
Far right on both sides of the oder can reach unimaginable levels of anal devastation. The question of settlement there was always politically charged and if you would have to write a speech about polish german "friendship" based on history it would be quiet a challenge to do so without looking silly.
Hudson Fisher
Nope Suevi, Vandali, Semnones, Rugi, Varini and Lugi were Slavic. "Germanic" is latin term which has nothing to do with nordic people.
Christian Jones
You are retard, red area is territory of slavic Lugi. Yes they lived there, because Ptolemy's Vistula is Odra
Andrew Williams
>lipsk
>left for niggerms
It's slavic land of slavic SueVi Semnoni
Sebastian Martinez
Berlin is slavic shit about bears, Barłóg is slavic word, so Bar is slavic tabooized word for bear.
Luke Campbell
>calling germans niggers
when the iron curtain opened in '89 you came across the border with pushcarts and stole everything that wasn't affixed, even stuff like roof gutters and garden chairs
you're the lowest of the low, really shouldn't call others names
William Nelson
>West Slavs called serfs/unfree peasants "Gocie"
Never heard about it
Nolan Williams
There was no east germanics or west. All was slavic Suevia.
Nicholas Thomas
Przecież to kolejny dowód na to że jaćwingowie to goci.
Colton Anderson
Silingi were never in Silesia, moreover they are slavic Milczanie - Silentium is milczenie. And they are slavic to this day despite niggerm occupation.
Henry Myers
We've already been over this I'm afraid. Around 500 AD there were still no internal differences in Proto-Slavic. By 1000 AD, Proto-Slavic had broken up into West, East and South Slavic.
It's quite literally impossible from a linguistic standpoint that Slavic speakers covered an area stretching from the Rhine to the Dnieper as of the 1st Century BC. An expansion beginning in the 5th Century AD from the region of the Pripyat and Dnieper rivers makes far more sense from a linguistic and archaeological standpoint.
Daniel Gutierrez
Show me a version of Germania or Bellum Gallicum where Suebi is spelt "Suevi".
Colton Smith
>who still were present in big enough numbers around the time of slavic migrations that the assimilation into slavdom must have been a bit more gradual.
Stupid niggerm wishful thinking
Ancient Rugi stayed slavic Rugi
Ancient Semnoni stayed slavic Ploni (identical meaning)
Ancient Varini stayed slavic Varni (do niggerms know what voron is)
Ancient Lugi stayed slavic Lutici (Ptolemy's Vistula is Odra)
Ancient Silingi stayed slavic Milczanie (same meaning)
Ancient Camavi stayed slavic Żarowie (Cama is żar)
Ancient Chaerusci stayed slavic Czerwiszcze
Anthony Hall
>we wuz everything and shit
Hudson Lewis
you fucking child!!!!!!!!
It's spelled S U E U I
iiif.lib.harvard.edu
Nicholas Johnson
All versions with Suebi instead of Sueui are fake
Xavier Gray
>a few Germanic tribal names kinda sound similar to later Slavic tribal names and toponyms (half of which don't even match geography-wise) so they must have been Slavic
Howling
Brandon Nguyen
>cherusci are slavs
Damn, you are like a reverse-version of those guys who believe slavs arent real but an invention of kyrill.
Gabriel Edwards
Cherusci as described in Ptolemy live in the same place as later slavic Czerwiszcze
Easton Lee
>Germanic tribal names
What do you mean by Germanic?
German is latin geographical term ethymologically coming from germanus (brother), which has no meaning in modern """"germanic"""" languages
Dominic Thomas
>half of which don't even match geography-wise
*blocks your path*
Eli Rogers
Show me a version of Germania or Bellum Gallicum where Suebi is spelt "Suevi". I'm not interested in Sueui.
Jason Myers
That's not how precise geography works.
Colton Morris
And scythians as described by the romans lived ucraine, still ucrainians are not sythians just as turks from turkey are not identical to Yakuts.
Aiden White
>German is latin geographical term
Nope. The Veneti for example were identified as living in Germania while being distinct from the Germani. Germania was a geographic term, while Germani was an ethnic term.
Owen Ramirez
And when you in 39 you came across the border you stole everything too like niggerms do. YOU or your parents actually might be stolen from Poland too like Alojzy Twardecki (renamed as Alfred Hartmann) and 200.000 others.
and you also lately killed Żubr in Lubusz. Lubusz! A slavic piast city of Love! Infested by lowly niggerms. What a niggerm behaviour
Justin Collins
user that's pathetic, because suevi is sueui
(it's also not suebi)
Levi Nelson
go to bed Sebix, you're embarassing us
Levi Morris
Keep dreaming. The idea that Slavic was spoken between the Rhine and the Dnieper for over 600 years without any internal differences developing is ridiculous.
Caleb Roberts
Where do the niggerms originate from though?
Did they invade the slavic lands between rhina and ural from scandinavia in small drops thus appropiating their culture?
Adrian Allen
:^)
Landon Diaz
:^^)
Brayden Phillips
Not meme answer here.
Ostsiedlung is vastly overrated. No one had the capacity to move big masses of people at the time. What actually happened was that new settlements were founded by a few core highly-skilled migrants fetched from some rich but overpopulated area, with a bulk of population actually being locals, usually younger children of people from neighboring towns and villages.
The Germanisation was actually an unrelated process. Note that there's a direct correlation between linguistic shift to German and religion. In short, Protestant areas switched to speaking German, while Catholic areas largely remained Slavic. For example Upper Silesia, Lusatia and Pomerelia remained Slavic-speaking despite extensive Ostsiedlung there. The linguistic shift was actually facilitated by introduction of German liturgy by Protestant princes, which immediately elevated German into a more prestigious language among the population.
Caleb Sullivan
Well to be fair a large deal of those were jews, G*rman filth actually did the poles a favor.
Ryder Clark
Staring at all those tiny points for too long somehow makes me itchy or something.