How did this even become a thing? Who in their right mind could ever believe...

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

stabbed in the back

How did this even become a thing? Who in their right mind could ever believe Germany had a chance to win the war, especially after the Hundred Days Offensive, the collapse of the German economy, and the fact that 10000 Yanks were arriving to Europe every day towards the end of the war?

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vittorio_Veneto
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Caucasus_expedition
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sardarabad
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vardar_Offensive
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_of_Serbia,_Albania_and_Montenegro_(1918)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Baghdad_(1917)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jerusalem
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Transjordan_attack
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nablus_(1918)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pursuit_to_Haritan
haaretz.com/world-news/asia-and-australia/what-were-russia-s-jews-up-to-during-the-1917-revolution-1.5463790
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
iajgsjewishcemeteryproject.org/latvia/kuldiga.html
djc.com.ua/h_obchiny/?id=2
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Jews
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_Germany
encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/kiel_mutiny

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Hitler's commanding officer was Jewish
Htler blames the Jews for losing the war
takes revenge on his commanding officer later when he's in charge
Sounds like a typical case of enlistee butthurt gone terribly wrong.

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Booteefool
Booteefool

Propaganda. That’s the point. You forgot the Jews who fought as well.

w8t4u
w8t4u

How did this even become a thing?
Because Ludendorff made it a thing. He was grasping at straws to deflect any blame for losing away from himself, and hit on a real winner.

Now, to be entirely fair, Hitler didn't take revenge on his old CO. He personally interceded on his behalf to keep his veteran's pension flowing...after the Nuremberg Laws he had just passed had stripped his old CO of his veteran status and German citizenship. He even managed to stay out of a concentration camp until like 1941 when Himmler was able to finally focus Hitler's autism elsewhere and arrest him.

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Techpill
Techpill

Because it's convenient in comparison to admitting that you were doomed to lose.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Germany was on the verge of winning until the kikes did a false flag on an American ship and blamed the Germans for it. The kikes brought in America and turned the tides because they knew if Britain won the war, the Ottoman Empire would disassemble and Palestine would occupied by Britain.

Then the Jews backstabbed Britain and initiated another World War where Britain had to exhaust all of its resources on the war and was not able to sustained its colonies and occupied land. Palestine was then given over to the Jews because of muh Holocaust which was a made up story to backstab Germans again even though the idea of putting Jews in concentration camps was initially proposed by Zionists.

The Jews are sneaky little vermins. Everything will come full circle in World War 3.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Because Ludendorff made it a thing.
It's sad Ludendorff didn't live to see Germany lose for a 2nd time. Imagine how he would have felt

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

If Jews are actually this capable (they’re not, see the zealots), they’d win the next war too.

farquit
farquit

No. People are waking up to their conniving ways.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

I suppose the Zimmerman Telegraph was also a kike plot and Zimmerman was himself a Jew?

WebTool
WebTool

Who was the captain of the U-boat that sunk the Luisitania? Who was it that sent the Zimmerman telegram? Who made the decision to invade through Belgium?

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RumChicken
RumChicken

but Germany was losing before America entered the war

DeathDog
DeathDog

Not him but Zimmerman was the guy receiving the telegraph, not the guy that sent it.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

No

eGremlin
eGremlin

Who made the decision to invade through Belgium?

The Elder Von Moltke.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

tfw von mackensen lived to see Germany lose twice

Makes me sad.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Of course it was. Zimmerman is a Jewish name, as were most of the Jews in charge of the Second Reich. Ludendorf, Von Zeppelin, (((Hohenzollern))), all kikes.

Supergrass
Supergrass

kikes did a false flag on an American ship and blamed the Germans for it
Kapitänleutnant Walther Schwieger was the German captain of the U-boat that sunk the Lusitania.

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Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Lived to see the unification of Germany
Lived to see Germany rise to prowess
Saw Germany lose WW1
Experienced Germany's hyperinflation
Went through Great Depression
Went through WW2
Poor sod must have had his soul crushed by the time the Soviets came into Berlin.

Spamalot
Spamalot

yes
Germany lost as soon as the Schlieffen Plan failed. The American entrance to the war only meant the war ended 2 years earlier with millions fewer casualties

askme
askme

Mhmm. To have the nation you fought fir crash like that in the last 20 years of your life.

I feel good for Germans who lived to see reunification though. Especially the old ww1 soldiers.

TreeEater
TreeEater

True, when you think about it those who died only a few days/months after the war ended must have felt the worst. Mackensen probably believed that Germany would no longer even exist as a state, or at worst become some puppet regime forever.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Walther Schwieger
was he a jew?

JunkTop
JunkTop

Poor guy. Reminds me of that Dr Who episode with Van Gogh. History’s full of cases like him. People dying in sorrow like that.

MPmaster
MPmaster

No, they lost with the Spring Offensive. If they had won that they could have got at least a negotiated peace

farquit
farquit

No, he was not.

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Methshot
Methshot

It's a "I don't understand what the German Revolution was nor the Jews' instrumental role in its organization and leadership" episode

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PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

It wasn't necessarily about winning the war, but staying in a strong position for peace negotiations. The reasoning was that Germany would offer determined resistance at her borders; they speculated that the US and the UK, especially the British left, would be willing to accept a moderate German peace offer rather than keep fighting a for French goals which they didn't agree with. The breakdown in Germany in October/November spoilt that strategy since anything could be enforced with little effort.

Firespawn
Firespawn

A failed small revolution made up of a mixture of rebellious Jews and Germans and put down by a mixture of loyal Jews and Germans.

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TalkBomber
TalkBomber

dumb frogposter

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Which is stupid as shit reasoning, given how the army in the western front was falling apart, the Hundred Days offensive was advancing faster than the Germans could retreat, and Austria-Hungary had fully collapsed, thus opening another entire (large) front.

Germany wouldn't last 3 months even if they were determined to fight to the last.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

What made Ludendorff decide they had to sue for peace was actually Dobro Pole

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Negotiate Peace

I thought the history books made it clear that as long as HIlter was in power, there would be no negotiation.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

$10 says you’re American

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Fuck off, retard.

TechHater
TechHater

Yes, it was pretty illusory; as I said, the aim was to use the differences within the Entente concerning the war goals (extensive French demands vs moderate Anglo-American ones); the democratization of Germany was supposed to gain sympathy from the British socialists (and Wilson), so if the Germans managed to continue fighting for some months and inflict heavy casualties on their opponents, the Anglo-Americans would consider a moderate German peace offer.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

a mixture of rebellious Jews and Germans

Only two of the leaders of the revolution were German, the rest being Jewish. All of the Freikorps leaders were Germans. Nice try though Schlomo

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Friedrich Ebert was a JOO!
Gustav Noske was a JOO!
Philipp Scheidemann was a JOO!
Otto Wels was a JOO!
Waldemar Pabst was a JOO!
Matthias Erzberger was a JOO!

Want to know how I know you know jack shit about the German revolution?

DeathDog
DeathDog

Only two of the leaders of the revolution were German
6 of the leaders were German

All of the Freikorps leaders were Germans
But the Freikorps wasn't the only people who fought against the revolution, and you're ignoring the Jewish officers and enlistees under them who fought against the revolution (likely enlisted from the 100,000 Jewish soldiers that fought for Germany in WW1)

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Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

It's telling that /pol/ """info"""graphics have to conflate the Novemberrevolution and Spartacist uprising just to get a big enough pool of important jews to push the stab-in-the-back meme.

That weasel fuck Ludendorff would be pleased that people are still parroting his excuses.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

What if Jews are actually the master race?

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cum2soon
cum2soon

Germany lost as soon as the Schlieffen Plan failed.

I think they had a chance, just not a great one. The real thing that killed them was the false idea that France needed to fall before they could take down Russia.... and consequently that Britain needed to be booted from the war for France to fall via predatory u-boat raids on their convoys. Had the Germans focused on the East instead, and maybe dedicated some more forces to the Balkan and Middle-Eastern theaters, they might've been able to pull it off.

Techpill
Techpill

Master at deceiving and being a parasitical race, yes.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

the German Revolution made Germany lose the war
The German military was already running on fumes before the uprising began. The economy was in the absolute shitter. Come the fuck on.

Skullbone
Skullbone

t. untermensch
bow before your kike overlords, cuck.

JunkTop
JunkTop

kike
overlord

Pick one.

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New_Cliche
New_Cliche

runs the media, the government, the economy, and the military
Sounds like an overlord to me.

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MPmaster
MPmaster

Do you need to be reminded what happened the last time you boasted about this?

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viagrandad
viagrandad

Never happened, although we managed to trick the world into thinking it did.

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Methnerd
Methnerd

You only managed to trick your own kind into thinking it happened.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Well apparently we must own all the schools too then because it's taught in every one of them.

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AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

This. Stormfags are asshurt because we’re so much better than them.
Fuck off hun subhuman

FastChef
FastChef

The idea that Germany was winning the war until some magic Jewish conspiracy is so fucking hilarious and typical of Germanic autism

The war situation for Germany was dire in the months before the "stab" even supposedly took place. Germany's strategic situation was collapsing on every front:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_the_Marne
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Amiens_(1918)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Days_Offensive
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vittorio_Veneto
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Caucasus_expedition
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sardarabad
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vardar_Offensive
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_of_Serbia,_Albania_and_Montenegro_(1918)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Baghdad_(1917)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jerusalem
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Transjordan_attack
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nablus_(1918)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pursuit_to_Haritan

All of these huge failures on Germany and its allies, topped on one after another in a few months.

But no no, ignore that. It was DA JOOZ

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BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

outside of a few neckbeards and muslims literally everyone thinks the holocaust happened

Booteefool
Booteefool

Why did Walter Rachenau reorganize Germany's economy for total war then?

takes2long
takes2long

Germans believed in the stab in the back propaganda when an entire generation still remembered the Turnip Winter

iluvmen
iluvmen

rathenau*

likme
likme

You don't get out much, do you?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

you're not as clever as you think you are

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Jews must be 99.8% of the civilized world then. No wonder they control everything

Evilember
Evilember

Not to mention a collapsing economy

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LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Spartacists revolt, Bavarian revolution and November Revolution are all separate things. You're also assuming the Jews involved weren't divided by ideology, allegiances and methods because you can't conceive of Jews as individuals with conflicting feelings and beliefs.

eGremlin
eGremlin

tries to play armchair psychiatrist
uses /pol/ picture as a source and incontrovertible proof of jewish beliefs.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

The average soldier doesn't know about the toll of the blockade on Berlin. Also, they had won massively against Russia which was their main foe at the start of the war.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

I-it was actually six German you doity Nazi!

Compared to over two dozen Jewish leaders, that still makes the revolution quite overwhelmingly Jewish. All of those "Germans" sought to impose the Jewish ideology of Bolshevism upon Germany. And Erzberger was half Jewish himself.

Spartacists revolt, Bavarian revolution and November Revolution are all separate things.
And all led by Jews! What a coinkidink!

You're also assuming the Jews involved weren't divided by ideology, allegiances and methods
All of those Jews were socialists of some sort, united by the ideology of the Jew Marx.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

And all led by Jews
8/14 spartacist leaders were jews

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

a majority of Spartacist leaders were Jews
Rosa Parks, the leader and fomentor of the revolt, was a Jew
Gee you sure showed me Shlomo

Techpill
Techpill

They were in charge in the 2nd World War as well.

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TreeEater
TreeEater

If the Jews wanted to see Germany destroyed, why would so many of them fight for it in WW1?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

You are so fucking idiotic that you think a minor revolt against the itself revolutionary government after the war ends is some sort of critical failure that leads to the loss of the war. The actual leaders of the actual German revolution were German. They were not "all led by Jews", you're just extremely stupid.

All of those Jews were socialists of some sort, united by the ideology of the Jew Marx.
So then why are the Spartacist Jews leading a rebellion against the SPD "Jews"?

Firespawn
Firespawn

Rosa Parks
Are you LARPing as a retard or what?

WebTool
WebTool

Look at this Jewish face, user.

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RumChicken
RumChicken

The actual leaders of the actual German revolution were German.

Kurt Eisner and Rosa Parks were German

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DeathDog
DeathDog

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ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

The Bavarian revolution and the Spartacist revolution were the same German revolution that put in the SPD.
Everyone who disagrees with my blatant ignorance is a JOO! A JOOOOOOOO!

Kill yourself. Save the world some oxygen that could be used for dung beetles or something.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Rosa Parks
unga bus riding lady destroyed grugler's tribe

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Illusionz
Illusionz

the Jewish ideology of Bolshevism

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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Rosa Parks were German
She was African American you daft cunt

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Rosa Parks
b8

Spamalot
Spamalot

Over half of all Bolsheviks were Jews

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Nah m8 kikes dont make that much of th bolsheviks

likme
likme

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BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

no

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Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Lenin was Jewish. Disinfo graph discarded.

Supergrass
Supergrass

using a book about “Nazi propaganda” and wikipedia as a source

You’re a special kind of retard, aren’t you?

Soft_member
Soft_member

lenin was jewish
you're seriously going to choose this hill to die on? you might as well put a /pol/ dunce cap on your head if you defend this claim.

viagrandad
viagrandad

t. Schlomo Shekelburgerstein von Kikenkutkock.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Rosa Parks, the leader and fomentor of the [Spartacist] revolt, was a Jew

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Inmate
Inmate

wow I didn't know that Solzhenitsyn won the fucking nobel prize. he was literally hitler.

hairygrape
hairygrape

it's a /pol/ thinks everyone they argue with is a jew episode.
it's all so tiresome. even worse, you used the german "von" which is not used in jewish names generally, making you look even more braindead than you already are.

judeo bolshevism is a nazi meme, so a book that is on nazi propaganda would address that. you must have felt so misguidedly smug writing that

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Rosa Parks

i laffed

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Techpill
Techpill

You do, actually. How can I convert to Judaism? I want to be on the winning side.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Don't you get it? (((Germans))) are Jews. All of them. That's why the (((German))) revolutionaries were all Jews, and it's why (((Germany))) has always been trying to destroy white civilization!

RavySnake
RavySnake

Excuse me I read that as Karl Liebknecht. As it stands, Eisner was murdered by a Jewish ultranationalist and Bavarian revolution was entirely separate from the Spartacist revolt

Soft_member
Soft_member

Lenin would not have even been considered Jewish under the nazi nuremberg laws

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

wir
*population starves*
warren
*italian invade bavaria*
stabben
*navy declare revoultion*
und sheisse
*army collapse*

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Why the jew has such big milkers?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

German tactics were working. If you had handed Germany more supplies they could have kept the Allies at bay for a good while longer.
The primary reason why WW2 was even attempted - and technically WW2 was in terms of the strategic setup a mere continuation of WW1 - was that the German generals, who had been the officers in WW1, were under the impression that if Germany only further optimised their tactical potential they could force their way to victory through tactical ingenuity and fighting prowess alone.
This was a mistake of course. A war of such scale cannot be won through tactical means if the strategic premise is stacked so high against you, but it took WW2 for people to realise that. After WW1 this wasn't nearly as obvious as some claim.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Germany lost as soon as the Schlieffen Plan failed.
This is complete nonsense.

The most successful year for the Axis powers was 1915. In that year, Germany could have won the war. Russia was dealt devastating defeats in battle to the point where it wasn't out of question for them to enter peace talks. If that had happened then Germany would have won WWI.

takes2long
takes2long

Fake list where is: Solkonokov, Isaac Steinberg, Uritsky, Simeon Dimanstein? The commisars changed over time

Methnerd
Methnerd

Besides here is the central commite (the actuall government) during the time of the takeover, i'm not sertian on Krestinsky, Rokov and Milyutin tho. (Dzerensky, Bukharin and Rykov had jewish wifes)

TreeEater
TreeEater

Forgot pic

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TalkBomber
TalkBomber

No, they fucking wouldn't.

King_Martha
King_Martha

kek'd

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

That's a black, user...

Methshot
Methshot

surprised a country with millions of jews has some jews in its leadership

Inmate
Inmate

The Lusitania was illegally smuggling weapons in violation of international law.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Germany almost took Paris twice. They nearly won and would have without the Marne Miracle.

Illusionz
Illusionz

almost
you could just say that they didn't

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Because all the media that was pushing defeatist propaganda back home was full of Jews. People noticed this and rightly concluded it contributed to undermining the morale of Germany to continue fighting the war.

Also they noticed how many Jews were represented among the Communists and Social Democrats that were constantly calling for an end to the war.

likme
likme

Doesn't mean they couldn't have. German defeat was not inevitable

DeathDog
DeathDog

Which was unknown to the Germans when they sank it.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Because all the media that was pushing defeatist propaganda back home

Citation needed

was full of Jews

Citation needed

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Kaiser Wilhelm lived to see Germany beat France, but not long enough to see it defeated again
He can't keep getting away with this!

girlDog
girlDog

You do realize SPD overthrew the Kaiser and ended the war right? You do realize the leader of the SPD was Ebert (non-Jew) and his second man was Scheidemann (non-Jew) supported by General Wilhelm Groener?

You do realize there were some Jews in the SPD and Jews in the USPD and the Spartacists (later KPD) and they fought each other?
You do realize Spartacists were irrelevant when Kaiser was forced to abdicate? You do realize that when the Kaiser abdicated, SPD had the de facto rule? Even though the assembly they formed had 3 SPD members (2 non-Jews and 1 Jew) and 3 USPD members (2 non-Jews and 1 Jew) but later all the USPD members left and 2 new SPD members joined making it 4 non-Jews and 1 Jew and both the chairmen were non-Jews (Ebert, Scheidemann).

You do realize even during the Spartacist uprising the Spartacists were the minority, the workers' and soldiers' committes were the majority and their leaders were almost all non-Jews, I've so far found only 1 Jew among them - Wolffheim.

Also you do realize the de facto leader of the Spartacists Karl Liebknecht (non-Jew)? Rosa was mainly irrelevant in the political scene, except assembling the "International group" she was merely a theorist, also fun fact: Rosa was AGAINST the uprising, she wanted a democratic solution whereas Karl Liebknecht wanted the revolution to start on 9 of October?

Learn some history.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Shut the fuck up, NO they COULDN'T have taken Paris you dumb fuck, even without Eastern Front. Germany defeat was ineveteable.

RavySnake
RavySnake

The fault still lies with the Captain of the Lusitania. That run wasn't set up until they planned on smuggling cargo. It was retarded. The Germans were just enforcing their Blockade.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Basically the same mentality that makes people believe in the Insidious Russian Conspiracy today.

Supergrass
Supergrass

His image was still dogshit and proving that was my goal

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

People are going to double down rather than admit they were wrong. Those coming up with the myth were the ones who were most natioanlist and pro-military. Guys like Hitler.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Myth

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

German tactics were working
not by the summer and autumn of 1918 they werent, the germans between the end of the spring offensives and the armistice lost not only all they had gained in the spring, but more ground than they had lost in the previous 4 years, and at significantly less loss to the allies.

the german army was defeated as completely on the battlefield as the german state was economically by the allies.

If you had handed Germany more supplies they could have kept the Allies at bay for a good while longer
sure if you handed them more supplies, more men, more guns and all that stuff they could have lasted longer.

but while you are doing all that why not just wave that magic wand you have to simply wish the allies away? the germans had no fucking supplies, they had no more fucking men, no money, and fuck all hope of surviving winter without famine, let alone being in any fit state to fight in spring of 1919, they were done, years of blockade and attrition had done their work and it wasnt even like they could impose serious losses on the allies when giving ground any more.

Because all the media that was pushing defeatist propaganda back home
it wasnt 'defeatist propaganda' it was accurate reporting, the foundation of the stab in the back myth is that germany could have held out militarily, it couldnt, therefore suggesting that defeat is inevitable and that negotiated peace is better is accurate reporting and fair editorial comment.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Because they won on the eastern front and hadn't really lost much of anything territorially on the West. So German troops came home from far away and then they lost a bunch of territory.

Germans were heavily overextended and that's why they negotiated the armistice.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

German tactics were superior right until the end of the war. Defence in depth was a genius tactic that countered the numerical superiority of British artillery. The allies could brute-force their way to victory in the end, but it was mostly that Germany was running out of steam from the naval blockade.

Nojokur
Nojokur

defense in depth as a basic principle is fine, but against tanks, coordinated artillery barrages -supressive not destructive- and stop start rushes of infantry cover to cover the germans didnt have enough depth.

the allies werent just human waving the german positions, they were cracking better defenses than on the somme for far far fewer proportionate losses. When the hundred days got rolling it broke every position it attacked.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

The defence in depth applied by the Germans was anything but basic as it completely broke with the principle of warfare of the time. Out of necessity of course - because Britain had too much artillery for them to deal with. However, it was incredibly effective. After they blew up their bunkers in champagne and abandoned the trenches even though the Brits doubled their numbers in artillery their overall effectiveness was more than halved. Tactical ingenuity allowed Germany to hold a line against an enemy that vastly outnumbered them.
At a certain point they completely ran out of steam but most certainly not because their tactics didn't work. They were strategically beaten - no doubt about that. But German tactics were good - and they were still good at the end of the war. I don't think there was any way to do any better given the strategic situation.

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VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Don't forget that the one major SPD Jew was a huge republican and wrote the constitution with probably the most personal liberty in Europe. Hardly a (((Bolshevik))) like /pol/ likes to ree about.

That run wasn't set up until they planned on smuggling cargo.

That's incorrect, though. Cunard was still trying to keep a semi-regular service running from America to Britain. The smuggling was second place to keeping some semblance of normal operations going. It wasn't until she was sunk that they realized "No, you can not actually keep your peacetime liner service running when there are submarines about."

Spamalot
Spamalot

I don't think there was any way to do any better given the strategic situation.
I dont disagree, its just that while they did as best as they could with the limited resources available they ultimately couldnt come up with something that could stop the allied tactics of late 1918, it wasnt weight of numbers that broke the germans, but superior technology and new tactics, the tactical genius of the allies.

perhaps if the germans had had another season they could have adapted again, come up with a reliable counter to tanks - tank traps etc were invented post WW1 - but as it was time ran out and they had no reliable defense against the allied attacks of 1918, as shown by the rapidity of the military collapse, the military collapse it should be remembered precipitated the political crisis and collapse not vice versa.

Techpill
Techpill

Wasn't Lenin a Jew?

WebTool
WebTool

it wasnt weight of numbers that broke the germans
Utter nonsense. Britain was about to break Germany through artillery alone had they not advanced their tactics. At Flanders they shelled the shit out of German trenches to the point where hardly anything was alive in there any more. Tactical ingenuity is always the tool of the underdog. The Allies didn't need to be clever because they had everything in abundance. Men, artillery, ammunition, all kinds of supplies, etc.
German tactics were working until the end, what didn't work for them was that they running out of everything they needed to keep up a fight.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Navy revolting and dethroning the Kaiser.
Peace being called for when the German Army hadn't been destroyed yet (even if they were fucked, they weren't dead yet, think of if Germany had surrendered in WW2 after Normandy).
Suppression of information for both the German Public and the Army, people didn't know much of or all of the big picture. Hitler himself probably knew that his areas were pretty fucked, but he didn't know quite how overall the army was fucked, to give an example. He was in a hospital when the armistice was called if remember correctly.
Prevailing views that the German Army was individually the most powerful compared to everyone else 1v1.
Russia had been defeated and given a humiliating peace deal, this gave mind to the idea of 'we were winning'.
The collapse of Austria resulting in a potential second front opening up hurrying the call for armistice.
The allies not following the ten points plan: the ten points plan was used heavily as allied propaganda and air dropped all over the fucking place, soldiers got pamphlets of it suggesting that they should call for peace and they would be treated fairly. The Ten Points not happening soured a lot of people.
League of Nations was weak as fuck as well.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

His mothers mother had jewish parents, but she was raised christian.

Supergrass
Supergrass

1/4 Jewish from his mother's side. Her father was a Jew who converted to orthodoxy and married some Swede/German mutt. His father and grandfather were Turkics of some kind.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

It is likely that Lenin was unaware of his mother's Jewish ancestry, which was only discovered by his sister Anna after his death.[7]
You missed one, possibly more

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

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PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

someone draw pr0n of her

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Emberburn
Emberburn

Of the 60 posters in this thread, I calculate 43 are Jews. I won't actually give any evidence or indication as to what my reasoning for that conclusion is, but really, this thread is 43/60 Jewish. IT IS PROOF!

SniperWish
SniperWish

through artillery alone had they not advanced their tactics
they key part of your post.

they did advance their tactics,

Tactical ingenuity is always the tool of the underdog
tactical ingenuity is the tool of the professional, good tactics allow success with greater preservation of force, if less resources are spent in attack then more resources are available for additional attacks. tactical ingenuity helps create favourable rates of exchange which is always welcome in warfare.

The Allies didn't need to be clever because they had everything in abundance.
but no general - with the possible exception of the italian general and the 12 battles of the isonzo- wants to waste men, so a good general will be clever.

Men, artillery, ammunition, all kinds of supplies, etc.
and they would eventually have won in a grinding match, but thats not what happened.

German tactics were working until the end
not really, many of the attacks in the last offensives were punching all they way through the defense zones into the rear areas, and the german position completely collapsed.

it wasnt weight of numbers, the allies had a numerical advantage its true but not that significant an advantage, and while it was doubtful the germans would have enough food to last the winter, they werent running out of bullets or shells at the front, it was tactical innovation that broke the hindenburg line, and the exhaustion of the war that made the germans realise they werent going to be able to stop the allies short of berlin if they didnt make peace immediately

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Do you want links to each individual person. I have some free time and mild autism.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Christ, again with this shit...
How was Kiel uprising a jewish revolution when most sailors and their leaders were non-jews?
How the fuck was Germany supposed to win WW1 in 1918 when their last offensive failed and Entente were already marching into Belgium and making plans to shell Aachen?
How the fuck is it jewish fault that Bongs created north atlantic blockade that created giant famines that saved people and made them angry about continuation of pointless shitty war?
How was Soviet Bavarian/spartacist revolution(the one that has tons of (((commies))) leaders) that happened in 1919 post-war influenced the abhorrent german WW1 condition?
Stormfags please.... educate yourself...
Not on ebin images you've seen on /pol/ but on fucking reports of german officers durring ww1 like fucking Ludendorf or Hindenburg before they surrendered...
Please God fucking dammit... people are universally tired of your shit.

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massdebater
massdebater

Don't listen to stormfront's bullshit narrative, only listen to my bullshit narrative.
Fuck off. Debunk this:

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Not previous poster but.

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Emberfire
Emberfire

Might is the license for not having to learn. Things were working out for the Allies so why would they experiment? Germany had to be tactically ingenious because otherwise they couldn't have held an enemy that had more of literally everything at bay.

it was tactical innovation that broke the hindenburg line, and the exhaustion of the war that made the germans realise they werent going to be able to stop the allies short of berlin if they didnt make peace immediately
Completely wrong. The German officers were under the impression that the war could be won. One of the major reasons why WW2 was even attempted was that Germany was tactically successful. Had they been tactically beaten to the point where they'd seen that their enemy was not just outnumbering them but also fighting much more efficiently, then WW2 would have either not happened at all or looked entirely different.
However, due to the German success at a tactical scale they were under the impression that a war under the same strategic setup as WW1 could be won by tactical means if they only further optimised themselves.

The stab-in-the-back myth fell on fertile soil BECAUSE the war was lost at a larger scale than it was perceptible to the fighting men.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

this image of a silly man is certainly going to make people ignore the facts

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Even the fucking Jews admit that the Bolsheviks were Jews.
haaretz.com/world-news/asia-and-australia/what-were-russia-s-jews-up-to-during-the-1917-revolution-1.5463790

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whereismyname
whereismyname

It's not even cherry picked. It list their what part of the government they worked for and the second list even has their position.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Yea not really seeing any official sources on your typical stormfag infographic.

iluvmen
iluvmen

sorry what the fuck are you talking about, you think the allies were still attacking in 1918 like they did in 1916? infantry tactics had evolved, artillery tactics had evolved, coordination between the two had massively improved and whole new weapons systems were being introduced, Tanks were a major innovation and the tactical use of tanks was a major tactical innovation.

Completely wrong. The German officers were under the impression that the war could be won.
seriously, hindenburg and ludendorff knew they had lost, no field officer thought victory possible by autumn of 1918.

Had they been tactically beaten to the point where they'd seen that their enemy was not just outnumbering them but also fighting much more efficiently, then WW2 would have either not happened at all or looked entirely different.
the german impression of tactical superiority was based on the previous successes, the failure and collapse was a short 6 month period at the end.

at this point I dont think we are going to agree, largely because I think you are spouting nonsense in complete variance with fact and you seem to hold the same opinion with regards to myself.

from my point of view the facts are simple.

the allies did innovate tactically, those innovations in particular the introduction of tanks decisively altered the tactical situation at the front in 1918 allowing the allies tactical as well as strategic superiority.

you believe the allies won simply by having strategic superiority, and ignore the innovations in assault tactics made by the allies in 1918

Inmate
Inmate

Yea not really seeing any official sources on your typical stormfag infographic.
I can go down the list and give you links for each person one by one if you'd like.

When even the Jewish Telegraph Agency admits that Jews played a very heavy role Bolshevism there becomes a point when shit quits being a conspiracy theory.

What did he mean by this?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Forgot pic.

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Emberburn
Emberburn

You can stop your /pol nonsense now I have see all the meme lists.

Of the 49 members 7 where Jewish, so they had a slightly higher involvement rate then most other cultures, to say they had a large or significant role is just stormfag historical revisionism.

Making up 15% of the founding body makes you a sizeable minority, not a fucking heavy role for the love of god.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Of the 49 members 7 where Jewish, so they had a slightly higher involvement rate then most other cultures, to say they had a large or significant role is just stormfag historical revisionism.
Those info graphs you posted earlier are complete bullshit.

First Guy On the List: Vladimir Lenin
Not a Jew
You're not fooling anyone faggot. Go down my list and fact check it for yourself.

Making up 15% of the founding body makes you a sizeable minority, not a fucking heavy role for the love of god.
Even the fucking Jews say they played a heavy role:
haaretz.com/world-news/asia-and-australia/what-were-russia-s-jews-up-to-during-the-1917-revolution-1.5463790

You're actually worse then the holocaust deniers.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Keep posting, bitch I have a lot more links debunking your as.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

I didn't say the Allies didn't innovate. New technology introduces new tactics. However, they didn't innovate as frequently and as decisively I would argue. Germany had to innovate all the time because they were on the losing side. In order to change this they had to change how they fought. The Allies - due to facing a much more benevolent strategic situation - could fight much more conventionally and still be successful.

WW2 was attempted because WW1 wasn't lost decisively enough.

The German generals believed a war of such scale could be won tactically - and in the case of France they were right.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

I love how when you can't find Jews you go for "jewish wives"

fucking desperate goalposting lmao

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Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Not influenced by a Jews.
Literally fucking a Jew and has Jew children.
Choose one.

whereismyname
whereismyname

This "list" is from 1925 and is absolutely BS

The reason this faggot who made this was so ostracized was because this list was a forgery and total BS.

Does it ever occur to you that these people are dumbasses instead of the victims of some massive conspiracy?

I mean this list of the CPSU central committee has Ouritski, the head of the Cheka in Petrograd, on it. And yet Dzerzhinsky, the head of the Cheka as a whole, is not (because he's not Jewish)

It claims Volodarski was a part of the CCP in 1920 when he was killed in 1918.

It claims Sverdlov was part of the CC in 1920 when he was dead by 1919

It claims Smidovitch was part of the CC when he was a minor party functionary in the Jewish Autonomous Oblast

I can't find any indication that this "Larine" person ever existed

The list excludes the actual core of the Bolshevik party in 1925 (Stalin, Bukharin, Dzerzhinsky, Ordzhonikidze, Rykov, etc.) because they weren't Jewish

This faggot was just desperately finding any Bolshevik who was Jewish that he could and said it was the central committee.

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Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

evidence these wives were secret agents of this magical jewish cabal of manipulators

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Being this fucking retarded

Socialist revolutions are inherently Jewish.
Socialist Jewish agitators were pushing defeatism among German workers, and Jew soldiers doing the same at the front lines.
The American war effort was primarily financed and peddled by Jews.
Jews were the primary producers and financers of revolutionary propaganda.
Jews were the main agitators for Britain's entry into the war (look up the Rothschilds and their influence on British politics).
The fact that the supposedly "patriotic" Jews who "sent their sons to war for Germany" immediately betrayed their homeland to install communism speaks volumes about the treachery and deceit of the Jew.

That image
Implying Alfred Henke was somehow equally involved in the German revolution as Will Eisner
listing up all the Gentiles you could find within the Jew-founded SPD while ignoring the Jewish heads of the revolution

viagrandad
viagrandad

However, they didn't innovate as frequently and as decisively I would argue

and on that point we disagree, german defensive innovations were responses to allied offensive changes, and as to decisive innovations the introduction of tanks at the least was decisive, as even with american entry the war would have been a grinding slog instead of the rapid collapse.

you also ignore the fact that the germans were in a more favourable tactical situation throughout the war sitting largely on the defensive, giving the allies at least as much cause to innovate

WW2 was attempted because the germans were bitter after their defeat and were lied to by their leaders

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

The problem with stormfags, and conspiracy theorists in general, is they keep making sweeping claims with little evidence, or evidence that was been thoroughly debunked and people eventually just get tired of debunking every single absurd claim.
The keep a giant stash of infographics, and no matter how dated or incorrect or proven wrong, they keep busting them out.
See

takes2long
takes2long

evidence that jewish soldiers were pushing "defeatism" on the frontlines?

Maybe German soldiers were defeatists because the war by 1918 was a fucking disaster for them militarily and economically? see and

massdebater
massdebater

The stab in the back excuse had nothing to do with Jews initially.
Military leaders blamed the German people at large for not staying docile; notably the revolt of much of the German Navy after they were told to fight an obviously losing fight against the British navy.
Early blame was also laid at the feet of the "social democrats" who made up the provisional German government that accepted the peace treaty.

Hitler later co-opted the myth and just added the Jews into it.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

What war? Ww1? Germany had a pretty big odds to win untill kikes (USA) joined the war

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

100,000 (((Yanks))) for no reason joined the war
Umm...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
Plus the whole background about the Luisitania (which was repeteadly warned not to come to Europe because it was suspected of trafficking arms to the Entente
Then there were communist lead sabotages and strikes in Germany as per Liebneckt and Luxembourg, which eventually culminated in the JUST Spartacists Uprising.

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Playboyize
Playboyize

Or perhaps it wasn't disloyalty being fermented among the soldiers and civilians but a rather logical reaction to the absolute clusterfuck that the economy and war had wrought on the civilians and soldiers.

There's been plenty posted in this thread showing just how dire the situation was for Germany in both regards.

Flameblow
Flameblow

evidence that jewish soldiers were pushing "defeatism" on the frontlines?
Mein Kampf, Chapter 10

RavySnake
RavySnake

My man just used Mein Kampf as a fucking historical source.
GTFO

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TurtleCat
TurtleCat

He's not wrong.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

As much as I'd like to take credit for winning the war, the US's entry didn't have that much to do with it.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Posts a /pol/ tier infographic
/pol/ btfo
Are you really sinking that low? Holy shit
Jews bled and died for their country , in an effort to prove they were loyal to their country
*Presents no statistical volume of membership whatsoever vs membership in far left partisan/political groups*
These people are Jews or not Jews because I say so
Blaming the beginning of the Spartacist Uprising on a mutinu of soldiers as if the whole event wasn't planned in the same way the Bolshevik revolution was planned
Fucks sake ,this is almost worse than /pol/ because at least with them I know they don't know better

FastChef
FastChef

I'd say USA was more important financially and resource wise but they've been trading way before they joined the war.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Who is giving them credit with winning the war? I certainly wasn't when I was pointing out that Balfour Declaration, at most the Americans just provided a small breath of fresh air for the French and British, although I know American Marines love to romantacize their impact on the war (see Battle of Belleau Wood)

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Tfw /pol/ is forcing the rest of Veeky Forums to it's level
STOP

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Stupidasole
Stupidasole

german defensive innovations were responses to allied offensive changes
Changes such as bringing more artillery to the point where they could barrage the entirety of the German trenches.

germans were in a more favourable tactical situation throughout the war sitting largely on the defensive
Germany was mustering quite a few attacks of their own - quite successfully too, in the east in particular. In the west, they were attempting to hold the line, which they managed to do quite well given the numerical superiority of their adversaries.

WW2 was attempted because the germans were bitter after their defeat and were lied to by their leaders
No, WW2 was specifically attempted the way it was because they held the belief that the very same war could be won if they fought even more efficiently. This was wrong of course - but that doesn't change that fact.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Be American
Be world's greatest arms dealer
Stay mad soveriegn governments. We want to bring the 2nd Amendment to the whole world

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Need_TLC
Need_TLC

They were the straw that broke the camel's back. The war ended before they could get there in strength, but it did that because they WOULD get there in strength eventually. America joining the war effectively fully replenished the Entente's manpower reserves, and they were going to take a major part in the 1919 offensives.

America entering the war signaled that the war was unwinnable for Germany in totality.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Veeky Forums has always been /pol/ in denial.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Blaming the beginning of the Spartacist Uprising on a mutinu of soldiers as if the whole event wasn't planned in the same way the Bolshevik revolution was planned
But they were fucking unrelated. The Spartacist Uprising happened MONTHS after the Kiel Mutiny, well after Ebert had secured power as the new German president. That's the point of the whole thing, the Spartacists were a minor part of the whole and were as a result largely ineffective on its whole course.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Europoors so butthurt they made a saying "Uncle Sam's filling his pockets before his cartridge belts" circa WW1
Nothin' personnel

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girlDog
girlDog

Veeky Forums has always been /pol/ in denial.
Yes, the holocaust is a conspiracy.

TreeEater
TreeEater

I love that you've basically given up

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

6▶
(You)
I love that you've basically given up

Haha your sources don't fill my arbitrary criteria clearly you're not even trying to counter my baseless refutations

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BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

But they were fucking unrelated
The more reactionary form of the left wing uprising clashing with the more radical aspects is completely unrelated to the Kiel Mutiny
Not really desu , the whole point of the stab in the back is that there were left with insurgencies , strikes, and espionage in Germany made by the left wingers lead by Jews who hurt the German war effort. The fact that the revolution got so out of hand that the SPD was attacking the communists does not really disprove the notion that Jews were heavily involved in these left wing groups.

Fucks sakes, post some statistics and second of all that wikipedia graphic is not the Spartacist Revolution , it is in fact the exact same one they have for the German Revolution

What the changing government indicates is the success of the SPD to take power and for Ebert to become president , then cracking down on the more left wing parts of the revolution. How does any of this disprove the notion that Jews were heavily involved in the left wing movements proportianately to their total % of the German population?

Techpill
Techpill

Are you really going to unironically site Mein Kampf, which has no citations or proves anything on top of it being completely non-objective?

Christ no wonder nobody takes you neckbeards seriously

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BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

more like /leftypol/'s reactionary sperging that create those types of infographs to try and get back at stormniggers

massdebater
massdebater

No you dumbfuck. Hitler hated that Jews had extreme undue influence for their proportion of the world's leading Empires and nations, just like they do today. Except back when Hitler was dodging shrapnel in the trenches or in beer halls scheming plans for a Germanic citizen's/veterans collective movement type shit like the NSDAP it was a lot more acceptable to dislike Jews in central & eastern Europe. Hell, when the SS einsatzgruppen or Stalin's NKVD were going from village to village to round up Jews for slavery or machinegunning, the villagers in the east from the Baltic down to Yugoslavia were more often than not very happy to turn on their Jewish neighbors and countrymen in assistance of the Nazis or Reds, doing things ranging from collaborationist stuff like creating registries and joining death squads backed by the "occupiers/liberators" (depending on the region) to having their own nasty and cruel pogroms once they realized that it was open season on Jews, let alone that neither the krauts or the Reds would punish them for it. A lot of it wasn't even based on anti semitism, just a legalized looting. So some Latvian peasants just go "Hey! We're broke dirt farmers, let's go turn over/kill the wealthy town Doctor Sheckelman and the local banker Mr. Cohen regardless of the SS/NKVD's interests and take all their shit!"

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Hitler hated that Jews had extreme undue influence
extreme undue
[citation needed]

Nojokur
Nojokur

Same way "the Lost Cause" became a thing. Tell a lie, write a book about said lie. People who are too delusional to believe they can ever be wrong, buy into the lie. Said lie becomes "truth"

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

I remember when someone on /pol/ said, "white people inherently want to be left alone".

Note, all peoples fuck with other peoples. It's just funny when Germans and racists pretend that they're some type of sinless people.

King_Martha
King_Martha

I'd say Lord Balfour's declaration in 1917 that was sanctioned by his majesty himself to bequeath the lands of Palestine, being recently won from the destruction of the Ottoman Empire, to Lord Rotchild (an English Jew with what I indeed consider undue influence over the imperial government and finance) for the purpose of presentation to the Zionist Federation and as an opportunity to be at the utmost level of a privileged echelon of any committee or organization created for the purpose of creating a Jewish nation in the holy lands by "repatriating" European Jewry to a country that hasn't existed for a couple thousand years. The declaration itself also includes stipulations that were specifically tailor-made for Lord Rothschild's benefit, as well as the Zionist Federation in general.

What other religion on earth has been given it's own sovereign chunk of land by way of delivering supreme power over all its machinations and creation to a single man of considerable wealth in collaboration with a society of theocratic zealots like the Zionist Federation (especially such an important and heavily populated chunk of land) that are all too ready to use force to create said state at the detriment or death of any locals that are either of the wrong faith or need resettlement for the economic benefits of the colonizers?

If there was no undue influence involved it seems more likely that if any faith is granted a sovereign nation chartered out to a single man of vast wealth in the holy lands by a Christian society, it would be a Christian nation given to a Christian Zionist movement. Or am I mistaken and racist for noticing such a rarity?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

/pol/ and stormfaggotry is literally a mental illness, similar to IS and other Salafist ideologies

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

if an Israeli newspaper says it, it must be true
this newspaper is also the unanimous spokesman of the Jews and they all agree with what it says

MPmaster
MPmaster

I'm no retard with fantastic ideas about a Jewish cabal trying to desperately implement a white genocide through mass immigration and discouraging whites from breeding by creating porn, Doritos, and Xboxes.

You might feel like there is some sort of intellectual high ground to be had by either justifying or turning a blind eye to the huge influence over global (but particularly American) institutions of power, but I'm sick of it. I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood and I've seen first hand that most Jews are just regular people with regular lives working normal jobs, paying rent, raising the kids, and any other lower middleclass lifestyle stuff.

So I indict a specific set of elitist, often closed-off, (really taking the "God's chosen" thing to heart) and extremely wealthy, whether in riches or positions of great influence or both, that have Fanatical Zionist notions that's consequences are often to the detriment of society as a whole, including the average Jew as well. In America their power over elected officials, high positions in "too big to fail" institutions and enterprises, sway over national media outlets, their unfettered access to our intelligence agencies, their massive aid packages and military backing, it's just too damn much. When you top that off with serious acts of treachery and manipulation from Israel on multiple levels, plus their daily war crimes or human rights violations carried out by a theocratic, nuclear armed, and quasi apartheid government, I feel I have ample reason to be sick of Israel and it's Zionist cohorts in America and Europe.
For being a tiny sliver of America's 2% Jewish community, the powerful Zionist elite and neo-con hardliners that lick their boots really know how to stir up the pot despite their clandestine methods or just hiding behind media focus on the unspeakable atrocities wrought upon them last century so nobody looks too closely at their ongoing atrocities and nefarious activities.

Techpill
Techpill

It's never the white man's fault, or so they say.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Let alone the chances of surviving the media crusade and social destruction a well-known and trusted person would undergo if they tried to seriously condemn Israel and it's negative ways to exercise influence over America's foreign affairs. Even a man as popular as Obama would be shredded by organizations like the ADL, AIPAC, and the media jackals. They wouldn't have to try to refute a single factual claim or justify any crimes a person might bring up, they could just use character assassination tactics until the public is in a frenzy over the low reptile of a man that would dare to criticize just the criminal elements of that long-suffering people that have finally found safe refuge in America and Israel after several millennia of slavery and genocide.

If you ask me it takes a real reptile to cash in on the monumental suffering of your own people over the years, let alone using said suffering as a shield to all scrutiny. Yet, they're using the suffering of their own too frequently for it to silence critics for much longer. God forbid ISIS, Iran, or even Israel themselves set off a low yield nuke in tel-aviv so they'll have a brand new victim card to play, fresh in the minds of the youngest left-leaning "free Palestine" types of Americans.

Before anyone says the obvious, yes, I am aware that hyper-powerful people of any creed or color have criminal elements among them that will do nefarious things in abuse of their influence as well. The only difference is that the Jews cannot be publicly damned for their actions, and their proportion of the world's leading people in their ranks compared to their proportion of U.S. citizens still stinks to high heaven

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

can you not write with run-on sentences and pompous language faggot? I can barely read your rambling it's almost inconherent how your sentences are strung together.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

by creating porn, Doritos, and Xboxes
More and more white males watch Asian porn and play Playstation and Nintendo. I guess the evil Japs want to genocide poor whites. It's probably a revenge for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Uhh buddy? You might wanna read that sentence again.
I'm no retard with fantastic ideas about a Jewish cabal trying to desperately implement a white genocide through mass immigration and discouraging whites from breeding by creating porn, Doritos, and Xboxes.
The guy you're responding to is arguably being a little unfair regarding the whole jewish influence thing in the government, but at the same time Zionist organizations really do have undue influence with our government currently.

happy_sad
happy_sad

No, I'm on a fucking cell phone you loser. I'm not going to resolve my apparently terrible grammar issues while simultaneously using pompous smartypants language in order to confound you from seeing that all I say are lies in fancy words.

Get the fuck off the board or copy and paste my shit into Word so it'll fix my mind shredding run on sentences you cock slurper.

Maybe then Big Bird can sing my posts for you to the tune of camptown races in very simple words so you can multitask enough to let you suck dick and understand what I say at the same time. Maybe then you'll engage the information alone in my posts if you have a difference of opinion instead of complaining about how you can't read without perfect punctuation or a thesaurus on hand to get through those big pompous and sanctimonious words

cum2soon
cum2soon

All the quotes to my first post and onward are me responding to myself, except the obvious outliers

idontknow
idontknow

How about you stop phoneposting, imbecile?

Emberburn
Emberburn

No, I do what I want despite some pussy and his whining. Suffer my phone posting until your eyes fall out of their sockets or fuck off. You could always post something worthwhile or productive, but I don't think Big Bird is going to come to Veeky Forums to explain perfectly legible ideas just for you to get in on this conversation

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

This thread pretty much ended in the first 30 or so posts and /pol/ just keeps repeating the same thing over and over. Do they think if they keep a thread going they "win" or something?

Skullbone
Skullbone

tfw your small fraction of jewish DNA you don't even know about makes sure that everything you do in your whole life is in service to the Grand Jewish Conspiracy.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

You have to realize that nobody had access to any information back then. You couldn't just look up what the front lines looked like, or how they developed over time, or who won what battle, or how the industry did, or what the government budget looked like, and so on and so on. People had literally no way of knowing what actually happened. As far as they knew, that stab in the back shit could have been true.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

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JunkTop
JunkTop

Because peace conditions could be much better than of revolutionary retards.
/thread

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

/pol/ subhuman confounds Rosa Park with Rosa Luxembur while """"instructing"""" you about jew's conspiracies
let that sink in

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Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

I'm not even going to bother with posting statistics so just have this lame pasta:

Trotsky's book, Stalin, written in exile, attempted to show that Stalin had played only an insignificant role in the early days of the Communist takeover.
Trotsky attempted to illustrate this point by reproducing a postcard widely circulated in the months following the revolution. The postcard depicted the six leaders of the revolution (see pic related).
these are: Lenin (partly jewish), Trotsky (real Jewish name: Lev Bronstein); Zinoviev (real Jewish name: Hirsch Apfelbaum); Lunacharsky (a Gentile); Kamenev (real Jewish name: Rosenfeld); Sverdlov (Jewish)

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kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

He did it twice as well so it's probably not just autocorrect.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

That image is pretty BS:
Vasily mikhailov has a jewish name, Janis Rudzutataks comes from an area with a high jewish population
iajgsjewishcemeteryproject.org/latvia/kuldiga.html
So does Fyodor Sergeyev and he also has a jewish name
there are plenty more but thats it for now
djc.com.ua/h_obchiny/?id=2

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Himmler was a real piece of shit

FastChef
FastChef

How is Fyodor Sergeyev a Jewish name?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Janis Rudzutataks comes from an area with a high jewish population

No he doesn't and that doesn't make him Jewish.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Karl Radek
Jew born in Austria-Hungary, present day Lviv Ukraine
Marked as Lithuanian

?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Sergeyev (Russian: Cepгeeв) is a common Russian last name that is derived from the male given name Sergey and literally means Sergey's
I'm guessing Mikhailov is derived from Mikhail. Both are common Russian names.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Are you blind?

King_Martha
King_Martha

No, but you are clearly. I'm not talking about whoever took the crop and highligted that he's Jewish, but whoever made the list in wikipedia.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Being this much of moron
Look at the little star there and the yellow background. He's from a family of Lithuanian Jews.

5mileys
5mileys

Yes he does
In 1897, 2,543 Jews were 26% of a total of 9,720. Difficult economic and political times in the latter half of the nineteenth century encouraged Kuldiga Jews to emigrate either to larger port cities of Libau and Windau or to the U.S. or South Africa as steamship services become more appealing.

Bidwell
Bidwell

That still doesn't make him Lithuanian you cretin, he never held Lithuanian citizenship nor had Lithuanian family, Lithuanian Jews are still Jews.

He held Austrian citizenship.

idontknow
idontknow

The German revolution was a sensible reaction to the simple fact that the current government had failed to deliver victory, but also wasn't willing to surrender and let the war be done.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Jews

Flameblow
Flameblow

Control F Karl
0 results
LUL
Besides he was born in modern day Ukraine and Austra at the time.

SniperWish
SniperWish

To Lithuanian Jews.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

What's your point? It would be factually correct to call him Lithuanian if he held Lithuanian citizenship. But he probably never even set his foot there. That's like saying Trump is German because some of his ancestors lived there some time ago.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

you mean 14 point plan right

Soft_member
Soft_member

I made the infographic and posted just the start and I said it needs a lot of editing, I don't really understand why this second person reposted it though.

I put it on a halt as I'm going through Broue's book again, all the ~1000 pages.
I intended to make it into multiple images describing the events into details. It's nice to hear critique but it's on start of the creation so please elaborate:
What's the problem with Jews bleeding for Germany?

Why are you requesting lists of memberships between radical left and the left when they were constantly switching? Describing that would take too long and a lot if research. That's why I intend to focus only on the important figures.

The people I listed below Kiel mutiny were the relevant active leaders of the newly formed committees after the Kiel mutiny.
And it's not because I say so but the source is cut off: Pierre Broue, German revolution 1917-1923, biographical section (last pages). I was also fixing people who were falsley called Jews on wikipedia such as Franz Mehring for example. I've noticed one IP was adding random revolution members Jewish descent when the primary source says literally nothing about it.
I was also double checking many of them from multiple sources and those people I couldn't check I checked their surnames if they have Jewish descent, yet still only one relevant leader of these committes or northern republics is Jewish.

I didn't blame the beggining of the spartacist uprising on a mutiny of soldiers AT ALL nor does it say that. Kiel mutiny lead to start of the German revolution as a whole and with it it spread like wildfire and that lead to the abdication. Later the left radicals called Ebert's government a bourgeoise government and hence the uprising of the radicals. Also there are the christmas revolt and northern and southern socialist and soviet republics. It's very hard to explain this event for a stormtard to understand it and who was important and who was not.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

JIDF detected.

The Einsatzgruppen was an anti terrorist organization.

WebTool
WebTool

I've been a /pol/ack once and browsed it regualry.
I didn't knew just how much bad the leaking on other boards is, literally the worst of /pol/ stormfags migrate to other boards and demand to be tolerated just as mexicans, fucking Christ.
Gookmoot should've listened to mods and banned all /pol/tard related posting outside of their containment on non-related boards same as degenerate furries and horse fuckers.

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MPmaster
MPmaster

ive been a /pol/ack once

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Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

It makes sense why some would believe it, soldiers, particularly the enlisted on the front line or support guys in the back don't know how the whole war is going. Imagine you were involved with winning in the east and you sat around as a reserve in the west or saw some combat before suddenly you surrender. You can keep fighting and you know your unit was on top of its shit, but you're not armed with the knowledge that your country was fucking collapsing from within.

And then you point to whatever scapegoat you can get, which were the jews in this case.

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King_Martha
King_Martha

Yes, i've been, probably even more longer than you.
Grew out of it and got very tired after it became ultra-reddit hivespot infested with t_d cucks and all NatSoc larpers turned out to ilitearte ameriniggers who larped as NatSoc was a pan-white ideology instead of being autistic germanic ultranationalism.
Most of /pol/ is full of cucks, fanatical rejects, illiterate niggers, larpers and cuckservative trash.
It's tiresome and you will grow out of it eventually if you got half a brain.

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Bidwell
Bidwell

t. Lolbertarian its happening poster

SniperGod
SniperGod

lolbert are larpin faggots who have even less willpower then natsoc cucks
shamming "its happening" poster
typical newfag who came to /pol/ durring elections, i was right in leaving that cesspool.

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SniperGod
SniperGod

Axis Powers
1915

History Channel Please go

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

stabbed in the back

Bela Kun in Hungary and his ringleaders
Kiel revolt
Rosa Luxembourg and her ringleaders in Germany
80-85% of early bolsheviks upper management were jewsheviks before Yezhovshchina
the treachery goes back to Acts 14 (Acts 14:2 people) 2000 years ago

....How is this not a thing again?

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Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Bela Kun in Hungary and his ringleaders
Post-war, had literally NOTHING to do with Austro-Hungarian war effort, Bela was a fucking war vet pow and spent rest of fucking war in russia forming his own commie party until returning back to Hungary after Trianon.
Kiel revolt
Literally has nothing to do with jews, it was a sailor mutiny(sailors tend to always have fag-leftist beliefs due to sodomy) that was against stupid military decision of making stupid last stand in the sea which would've result in a disaster and everyone knew this
Rosa Luxembourg and her ringleaders in Germany
Once again has nothing to do with war effort and her group was most irrelevant... also, you do realise entire idea of Luxembourgism is to bring commie party into power without revolution but a fucking vote?
the treachery goes back to Acts 14 (Acts 14:2 people) 2000 years ago
fucking what???

How does this all have to do with "stabbed in the back" myth?
How fucking illiterate /pol/nigger has to be to even not understand what "stab in the back" myth even means? The entire concept of it, is that jews sabotaged the war effort durring the war and made people to turn against their government durring the war.

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w8t4u
w8t4u

because of ludenDORK

TreeEater
TreeEater

I can see your huge nose from here.

TechHater
TechHater

the whole point of the stab in the back is that there were left with insurgencies , strikes, and espionage in Germany made by the left wingers lead by Jews who hurt the German war effort.
...
You are 5 years in the first most brutal and horrific war that has ever existed
Resources are depleted, not just the military resources like ammunition, but fucking consumerist resources
British blocked has starved the german nation creating a huge fucking famine that kills more then half a million of the population
The war is going to extremely bad in the west, the reserves are being worthless depleted while fresh american troops are replacing the death bongs and anglos
Your last chance Spring Offensive has failed to the point that entete are planning offensives into Germany
People are fucking mad and want the end to the war due to starvation, horrible working condition due to war effort, people are getting bombed, the last abled bodied men are being mobilised, have thousands of invalids roaming you cities
...
All of this is jews fault, not the fucking based incopetence of imperial german government and their fanatical general staff...totally, muh aesthetic grossdeutschlandgermania soldaten still could've won if those meddling german plebs just shut the fuck up and put up with bad conditions.

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Need_TLC
Need_TLC

not a single argument or rebuttal of my arguments, just adhom as usual
Nice proving my point, /pol/tard. I recommend you to read the sticky on your board sometimes, it help you improve your IQ.

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viagrandad
viagrandad

Notice how Imperial Japan didn't have a revolution despite enduring all that and worse.
It's almost as if there's a key variable in the equation you're overlooking which, when removed changes the result.

inb4 the philosemite appeals to racist stereotypes about the Japanese to refute racist stereotypes about the Jews

idontknow
idontknow

Why does the jew in a chef hat have tits?

likme
likme

bases his argument on the stereotype that sailors are gay
What makes you think any of what you said deserves rebuttal rather than dismissal?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

It's not a chef hat it's a phrygian cap and the Jew is Marianne.

Skullbone
Skullbone

all of these """"""facts"""""" yet no sources which is so out of character for stormniggers

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

That is not ad hominem. It's not even really an insult, but it is closer to it than to ad hominem.
Ad hominem would be
you are wrong because you are stupid
An insult, on the other hand, would be
you are stupid

Also, ad hominem attacks are occasionally valid, for example when you doubt what someone says on account of his lack of credentials or knowledge in the given field. You wouldn't believe your hairdresser if he told you that it would be possible to triple energy production in nuclear power plants by using a different alloy for the rods. because you have reason to doubt his competence in the field of nuclear physics.

RavySnake
RavySnake

denying the fact that Jews push socialism where ever they go

cum2soon
cum2soon

I don't give a fuck about your "reasons"
If your nation is engaged in total war with another nation where all men are being conscripted to fight for its survival. YOU. DON'T. REVOLT. If you do, you are a filthy traitor and should be shot without trial. You will go hungry if you have to. While the men are dying on the frontlines, you going a bit hungry or having to do without is a small sacrifice you entitled sack of shit. Germany at that time had a bunch of communist filth who sabotaged the german war effort, many were jews, and they definately hurt germany's chance to win.

massdebater
massdebater

Socialist revolutions are inherently Jewish.

So you say that white are cucks who will be submissive to every faggot as long as he has money and connections?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

shot
shot
shot

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Emberfire
Emberfire

All of those groups are atheistic jews betraying their home countries. It's been happening for two millennia now.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Edgy, but you forget that WW1 was the first type of this kind of war and it was like world was crashing down and hell is ripping open from the ground.
People never experienced such tragedy before and even the government's themselves didn't know how to handle this. German empire didn't have giant propaganda industry like the bongs and its national unity and pride was pretty fucking low by 1918 even after east front was over.
Also, when your at the point of starvation, no larpy bullshit like pride and nationalism will feed you and calm you down while calming you anger and i assume you, nigger, never did experience an actual any hardship in life besides your fee fees being hurt on the internet ;)

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

wow what a great source! enlightening!

Spamalot
Spamalot

we never did nuffin goy
ever in our three thousand years of constant exile and rebelling and subverting home countries

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Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

99% chance I'm getting banned for this humor so enjoy it you faggot

Bidwell
Bidwell

DUDE you cant really compare japanese with anyone else.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Notice how Imperial Japan didn't have a revolution despite enduring all that and worse.
what did imperial japan endure? im unfamiliar with how japan's experiences in WW1 were substantially worse than the germans

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

t. middle class NEET that "was literally starving" after his mom forgot his tendies

FastChef
FastChef

i wish i could be so delusional id rather starve than try and change the circumstances that are causing me to starve simply because the ethereal concept of a national identity told me to

whereismyname
whereismyname

how is not an ad hom to insinuate he's jewish to undermine his argument without engage with said argument?

Lunatick
Lunatick

I genually hope you mean WW2 and not WW1 but still...
Comparing a fanatical totalitarian military police state of 1940's with Imperial Germany of 1910's that still followed "the european imperialist gentelment(with huge hypocrisies)" rule book even the very last day.
Nice one, user, but Japan didn't endure the same stuff only until the very end. Japanese military were frequently stealing provisions from their occupied zones back to homeland and Japanese propagande on it's own citizens was very effective unlike Imperial German ones durring the ww1.
Japs had also learned a lot about previous war before waging the second one, unlike Imperial Germany which had to expirence and learn all for the first time together with rivals like Britain, France and Russia.

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SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Not to mention that Imperial Japan surrendered and was occupied by the Americans, so there could have been no revolution.

It's idiotic. Both states surrendered before their core land was invaded. The one that was occupied had no revolution, and the one that wasn't occupied had unrest.
No shit.

idontknow
idontknow

I messed up something about post numbers and now I can't remember who I thought the guy who called ad hominem was responding to.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Not same poster but, are you retarded?
It's a literally an adhom and /pol/tard even replied that it is Makes an argument you can't even prove wrong (because you're illiterate faggot, even worse than a south sudanese nigger)
reeeee you must be an (((X))) so im gonna dismiss your argument
It's direct definition of an adhom and /pol/ as always prove how much they hate logic and reason.

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Methshot
Methshot

Missing the entire point of the stabbed in the back theory
Stating historical events that are complete out of proper order (the mass famine didn't occur until after the war)
Thinking American troops made a difference and not arms
Were Jews not overwhelmingly involves in leftist uprising that tried to subvert the monarchy? Were there not strikes, espionage, and etc other tactics? Was there no plan to institigate a revolution in Germany's weakened state?

Why does no one who tries to debunk the stab in back theory ever post statistic of Jews involved in left wing movements and compare it to their total population to see their loyalty based on proportianate involvements?

That is the entire assertion of the stab in the back when it comes to Jews (because it doesn't just blame Jews in the first place). The anti-/pol/ posters are the intellectual equivalents of their opponents holy shit

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DeathDog
DeathDog

why does a small minority group join a ideological movement that preaches equality

gee

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

It's ok, user.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Were Jews not overwhelmingly involves in leftist uprising that tried to subvert the monarchy?
No, they wren't.

Were there not strikes, espionage, and etc other tactics?
Demonstrate that they were done by Jews.

Was there no plan to institigate a revolution in Germany's weakened state?
No. The uprising was spontaneous and more or less uncoordinated, driven by external factors.

o one who tries to debunk the stab in back theory ever post statistic of Jews involved in left wing movements and compare it to their total population to see their loyalty based on proportianate involvements?
Because of a little thing called "burden of proof". If you want it to be anything but dismissed out of hand, you're going to have to show how all dem dirty kikes were involved in leftist sabotage.

That is the entire assertion of the stab in the back when it comes to Jews (because it doesn't just blame Jews in the first place).
No it isn't you liar. If it is, you wouldn't see one mention of the SPartacist uprising, which after all was an attempt to overthrow the post-monarchy German government after the war ended, and would thus be irrelevant to the point you're driving at. Instead, every single time the Dolchstoßlegende is brought up, you'll get enormous amounts of time spent on the Spartacists and Rosa Parks, err, Luxembourg, as proof that it was all a JudeoCommunist uprising in the works since 1860.

Booteefool
Booteefool

preaches equality
If only that's all they preached.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Holy shit, we got an unironic commie here.

askme
askme

(the mass famine didn't occur until after the war)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_Germany
763,000 German civilians died from starvation, statistics by fucking germans themselves
Is that autistic cap about you, user?

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iluvmen
iluvmen

I'm so fucking tired

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

How did this even become a thing?

Yeah, who could possibly believe that a small but powerful minority of 5th columnist in the government would sabotage the country's military efforts to win a war? Totally never happens.

Who in their right mind could ever believe Germany had a chance to win the war, especially after the Hundred Days Offensive, the collapse of the German economy, and the fact that 10000 Yanks were arriving to Europe every day towards the end of the war?

Who in their right mind could believe North Vietnam had a chance to win the war, especially after the failure of the Tet Offensive, the destruction of the economy from Linebacker II, and the fact that nearly a million Yanks were serving in Vietnam towards the height of the war?

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Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

He's referring to wwii

hairygrape
hairygrape

Yay soldaten died for the nation and the kaiser while i secure the food.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

The organization known in German as Der gruppen die Einsatz, was of purely an anti partisan persuasion.

likme
likme

Missing the entire point of the stabbed in the back theory
stabbed in the back theory
If you meant entire point of "stabbed in the back", it had nothing to do with jews originally, just Ludendorff autistic fit for still not comprehend the tough that he failed Spring Offensive and entire war and blamed it on all of civilians(who were fucking suffering and starving, only able eat turnip).
"The Jew" came about in 1919 when retarted anti-semites started to blame jew, not ciliviase or commie revolutionaries but jews in the military who spread """defeatist mentality""" among other soldiers, for which there is no proof but only autistic remarks.
It only became "Jewish revolutionary commies" after far-leftish larped Soviet Bavaria into existance and manny communist jews joined it. And btw, Soviet Bavaria and it's jews as again, had nothing to do with German war-effort.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

the reason they were starving was because the government refused to acknowledge that they've lost long ago. there was no point in fighting anymore. there was no point in dying for a lost war anymore. what was there to fight for at that point? what would have been the point in sailing out in a suicidal mission that didn't have any purpose? the entente won. the frontline was breaking down and the home front was starving. continuation of war wouldn't have brought Germany victory. it wasn't an undecided war that could go on either side. it was a clear and complete defeat. and insistence on fighting would bring nothing but further destruction to Germany.

JunkTop
JunkTop

just Ludendorff autistic fit for still not comprehend the tough that he failed Spring Offensive and entire war and blamed it on all of civilians
LudenDORK was just acting on a sacred german tradition of blaming civilians for defeatism. Shitler furthered the tradition by killing random citizens for it.

Soft_member
Soft_member

The German people were constantly being told that victory was inevitable. When they were finally forced to surrender it came as a complete shock, it wasn't like in the 2nd world war where they enemy had to destroy Berlin.

Inmate
Inmate

Not to mention the German government was saying that the British were on their knees and starving even harder than the German population was

Methshot
Methshot

oh no no, oh ho ho, uhuhuhuhuhu-
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Emberburn
Emberburn

What gets me is how the Germans totally surrendered even thought they were still in enemy territory. Even if they were about to collapse couldn't they have called for a white peace?

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

life isn't hoi4

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

I know, but couldn't they have negotiated something other than total surrender?

King_Martha
King_Martha

their front was collapsing, and the entente noticed. they knew that germany had no way of continuing the war.

Techpill
Techpill

You idiot, Moltke the Elder thought fighting any sort of offensive war in the West was a fools' errand.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Because sailors spend a lot of time at sea, often away from women. This deprivation turns many sialors gay. Drunken BDSM gay orgies were a common fixture among 19th and 20th century fleets.

when Winston was at the Admiralty, the Board objected to some suggestion of his on the grounds that it would not be in accord with naval tradition. ‘Naval tradition? Naval tradition?’ said Winston. ‘Monstrous. Nothing but rum, sodomy, and the lash.’
Winston Churchill.

Emberburn
Emberburn

No because if they didn't accept it the allies would just keep kicking their ass and everyone knew it.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

another thread of people vehemently defending the jews while others are trying to reason with them.
Some people just can't be helped.

Supergrass
Supergrass

I've been homeless before and slept on the streets I know what its like a lot more than you don't assume things. The revolutionaries deserve blame in germany

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

That's why I don't try to argue with cut-cocks anymore. I just name them.

Playboyize
Playboyize

totally the same circumstances bruh.
in vietnam was a bunch of "traitors" that realized it was retarded keeping burning billions of dollars and thousand of lives to kill millions of gooks hiding in the jungle for some debatable geopolitical advantage

Methnerd
Methnerd

Those Khazar milkers tho..

Flameblow
Flameblow

then you're simply retarded for thinking it was a good idea to keep starving just to keep killing each other for 1 year max and then still surrendering but in much worse conditions

viagrandad
viagrandad

Were you ever homeless for 5 years, working in harsh cramped war conditions 10.4 hours per work day for small pay with half of it going for the war effort, more and more hungry with each year only eating turnips and when even they are gone you have no power to obtain any food even if you desperately tried because there was no food, while entire war total war waged, there is deficit with medicine and even some times with water, your brother/husband/father/son/uncle/or all at the same time die or worse they returned invalids with horrific injuries, you'll have to care for them while not able to care even for yourself or die for some stupid shit that your know already is lost but government sends even more on the dying fields to kill people same as you.

No? Because that what average german citizens had to experience durring WW1, a fucking war that started with horse carriages and ended by a fucking giant metallic thingy you've never seen before squashing your entire 100y/o house and your mother alive in it.
You underaged faggot can't even comprehend what "War is Hell" actually means beside "Hurr it's sound cool, just look at uniforms and flags n'shiet".
Stop larping and grow up, faggot.

w8t4u
w8t4u

A long list of baseless assertions he provides no citations for but excoect everyone to believe
Jews were blamed throughout the entire process btw

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

tanks were running over German mothers in their homes

Snarelure
Snarelure

No, they wren't.
I'm not seeing any statistics you are asserting. So I'm going to just look at the leaders of the Spartacist rebellion and what do you lnowost of them are Jews
Demonstrate that they were done by Jews
See the above comment
No it was uncoordinated
Yet another baseless assertions you cite nothing for, yes it was an organized revolution in the same way the Russian Revolution was organized
If you want it to be anything but dismissed out of hand, you're going to have to show how all dem dirty kikes were involved in leftist sabotage.
Buuuuut you don't assert any proof yourself , are you just assuming that your interpretation of history is the status quo when you present no statistics?
No it isn't you liar
It is, when it comes to the anti-Semitic accusation of Jews being disproportionately involved in anti-monarchistband communist sabotage you're going to have too look at population statistics and proportionate involvements in certain political movements . I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Jews were blamed throughout the entire process btw
And long before that.

Flameblow
Flameblow

When he is too stupid to realize that most of the deaths occured towards the end of war because the blockade was continued past three surrender of Germany
No it's your autistic cap, slugger :D

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

For no reason whatsoever hahaha
I really doubt this , but philosemites are pretty autistic about muh eternal scapegoats Jews never did nothing abloo bloo

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

The war was taking its toll for sure but most of the horrors of the first world war were reserved for the soldiers. Being a civilian between France and Russia during WWII was much worse.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

I'm not seeing any statistics you are asserting. So I'm going to just look at the leaders of the Spartacist rebellion and what do you lnowost of them are Jews
Good to advertise your retardation, since the Spartacist uprising was after the war ended and was aimed at the government that supplanted the Kaiser's. If you bring it up, congratulations, you admitted you know jack shit.

See the above comment
No, burden of proof is on you.

Yet another baseless assertions you cite nothing for, yes it was an organized revolution in the same way the Russian Revolution was organized
Nope. encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/kiel_mutiny

Buuuuut you don't assert any proof yourself , are you just assuming that your interpretation of history is the status quo when you present no statistics?
Because you are the one making a positive claim. That requires evidence.

It is, when it comes to the anti-Semitic accusation of Jews being disproportionately involved in anti-monarchistband communist sabotage you're going to have too look at population statistics and proportionate involvements in certain political movements . I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings
So you don't have any actual evidence to offer. By the way, why did you edit out the rest of that statement? In fact, it references what you would go on to do with this post, bring up the completely irrelevant spartacist uprising.

Why are you such a /pol/nigger? Did a scary Jewish doctor circumcise your brain?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Jews admit that secularist commie Jews were disproportionately involved in the Bolshevik revolution
Makes an ad verecundium
Philosemites are their own kind of autism

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Good to advertise your retardation, since the Spartacist uprising was after the war ended and was aimed at the government that supplanted the Kaiser's. If you bring it up, congratulations, you admitted you know jack shit.
What do you mean Jews were disproportiomately involved in left wing movements, see the Socdems purged the Spartacist communists who were all Jews
"""""Anti semetic conspiracy theories""" btfo
Reaching levels of brainlet that shouldn't even be possible. So what you're saying is the less radical parts of the revolution who took power then purged the communists had absolutely no plans to attack the monarchist government come the end of the war, even though they were armed and had sympathizers in the military
No burden of proof is in you
Considering you're citing absolutely no population statistic at all but I at least can prove to you that far left leadership was mostly Jewish
See the Kiel Mutiny happened which signalled the start of the revolution, it wasn't planned
Oh yes I'm sure all those far left militias has absolutely no plans to start a coup come some sort of chaos towards the end of the war, the fact that they overthrew the monarchy was 100% serendipitous.
So you don't have any evidence to offer
Except I did, and you tried to hand waive it away in the most brainlet way possible

whereismyname
whereismyname

So what you're saying is the less radical parts of the revolution who took power then purged the communists had absolutely no plans to attack the monarchist government come the end of the war,
No, that is not what I'm saying. Go back to the 2nd grade and learn to read. I'm saying that the Spartacist uprising, which by the way was lead by a non-Jewish guy, was a revolt against a different leftist group, not your precious Kaiser (Did you know that his government supported the Bolsheviks? I GUESS KAISER WILLIAM WAS A JOOO)

Considering you're citing absolutely no population statistic at all but I at least can prove to you that far left leadership was mostly Jewish
THen prove it.

Oh yes I'm sure all those far left militias has absolutely no plans to start a coup come some sort of chaos towards the end of the war, the fact that they overthrew the monarchy was 100% serendipitous.
Prove it.

Except I did, and you tried to hand waive it away in the most brainlet way possible
You have presented absolutely no evidence whatsoever.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Thinks I'm /pol/
Awwww that's cute. I don't actually mind Jews t b h, although I guess to extent I don't like Israel. I consider myself somewhat liberal actually

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Why is kike central Isreal not a commie state then
Are ya gonna claim some bum ass kibbutz to be commie shit

RavySnake
RavySnake

Was a revolt against a different leftist group
Socdems
Leftist
Barely, and maybe if you passed kindergarten you would've read that I already said that in my post? The people further to the left than the socdems were the communist who were mostly Jewish. The leaders of the antagonizers were mostly Jews and so far that is the only reference to "population statistics" made in this entire "conversation'

Fucks sake, post hard statistics that proves jews were not disproportionally involved in far left movements that gained the ire of the right?
My precious Kaiser
I actually like the socdems desu

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Actually, Israeli Soviet relations are kind of interesting
From late 1944, Joseph Stalin adopted a pro-Zionist foreign policy, apparently believing that the new country would be socialist and would speed the decline of British influence in the Middle East.[6] Accordingly, in November 1947, the Soviet Union, together with the other Soviet bloc countries voted in favor of the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine,[7] which paved the way for the creation of the State of Israel. On May 17, 1948, three days after Israel declared its independence, the Soviet Union officially granted de jure recognition of Israel,[8] becoming the second country to recognise the Jewish state (preceded by the United States' de facto recognition) and the first country to grant Israel de jure recognition.
Although Lenin originally called Zionism a bourgeoise and reactionary ideology, this changed a lot under Stalin.I'm pretty sure they originally tried to be a demsoc nation as well , and through Israeli PM at the time had widespread Soviet support from local Jews.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

The people further to the left than the socdems were the communist who were mostly Jewish.
First off, prove that the people left of the social democrates were A) Communist and B) Jewish.

Secondly, that is irrelevant for purposes of the Dolchstoßlegende anyway, so why bring them up in the first place?

Fucks sake, post hard statistics that proves jews were not disproportionally involved in far left movements that gained the ire of the right?
Post hard statistics showing they weren't agents of aliens from the Andromeda galaxy. The burden of proof doesn't exist to prove a negative. If you want to be taken seriously, prove your shit.

SniperWish
SniperWish

It was all realpolitik, on all sides. The Soviets thought to throw in their lot with the Israeli's cuz they were fairly friendly at the time, and seemed like the best client one could have in the middle east.
I tell ya, when the Israeli's snubbed, the Soviet Union, they acted like a jilted lover.

RumChicken
RumChicken

A) Communist and B) Jewish
I mean... Do you just not know about Rosa Luxbourg or libertarian communism in general? This might not be the most basic polysci but if you're going to talk about the German Revolution then it kind of is.

Everyone on the Spartacist leadership side of the Socdem vs Spartacist part of the German revoltuokt except for Liebnekct and Zetkin are Jewish.

There is a lot of different reason why Jews might've been disproportionately involved in far left sentiments that isn't /pol/ tier "Jews want to take over the world etc etc" you know.

From what I know about Zionism,.it was largely a reactionary movement against s growing trend of Jews secularizing themselves which could cause a sharp partisanship in European Jews in general.

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Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Secondly, that is irrelevant for purposes of the Dolchstoßlegende anyway, so why bring them up in the first place?
Not really, this is where most of the anti-Semitism comes from. The stab in the back was just pure butthurt from after the war where Rightists veterand tried to identify different causes for their faolurr to win the war, which eventually lead them down the path a Pan-German fascist movement after 2 major depressions and , the initial depression being one of the most famous cases of hyperinflation in the world.

I think there is some (albeit shaky) creedence to Jews being involved in "anti-german" activies despite their efforts in the war that has more logical explanations than spooky Jew magic or whatever

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

creedence
*Credibility

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

The interpretation I got was that it was Schlieffen's plan and the Younger Moltke was like "well fuck I guess this is what I have to work with" because he wasn't really into being a general at all.

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CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Liebnekct and Zetkin are Jewish.
going off your picture:
-mehrin, pieck, muller, barth, eichhorn aren't jewish.
-Eugen levine, radek, ernst toller, kurt eisner and muhsam were involved in the bavarian revolution, not the spartacist revolt. They're unnrelated. As it is each of these individuals had widely diverging leftist views, some with anarchical and moderate bent, some following the moscow line.
-Paul Levi was against the uprising and split off from the Communists a year later

w8t4u
w8t4u

Bullshit, Stalin was instrumental in the Bolsheviks early days and was the central party functionary. The reason Trotsky downplayed his role was a form of political attack.

Also odd you left out other key old bolsheviks like Bukharin (not Jewish), Dzerzhinsky (not Jewish), Rykov (not Jewish), Jukums Vācietis (not Jewish), Frunze (not Jewish), Ordzhonikidze (not Jewish), Molotov (not Jewish), Petrovsky (not Jewish), etc.
And Hitler was literally more Jewish than Lenin.

iluvmen
iluvmen

-85% of early bolsheviks upper management were jewsheviks before Yezhovshchina

How many times does this need to be debunked? See It wasn't even 15%

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

The thread really should have ended here. I think /pol/beards think if they repeat the same lie enough it becomes true

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Nah, /pol/beards are even further down the rabbit hole than that. They think evidence and drawing reasonable inferences from it are themselves part of the Jewish plot to destroy "Aryan wisdom".

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Yeah he set up a plan because he was asked to do so, and he more or less said "I mean, if you're going to do it, this is how you ought to".

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

therefore suggesting that defeat is inevitable and that negotiated peace is better is accurate reporting and fair editorial
Yeah just like in Vietnam, right Jew?

Bidwell
Bidwell

Comparing a fanatical totalitarian military police state of 1940's with Imperial Germany of 1910's that still followed "the european imperialist gentelment(with huge hypocrisies)" rule book even the very last day.
So in other words the Japs had a free hand at stamping out communist agitation in civilian society, which prevented strikes and defeatist propaganda from stirring up insurrection in their country, even as literal firestorms tore through the streets, unlike in Germany which at least semi-tolerated the presence of communist rabble rousers. Yet somehow we're supposed to simultaneously believe that the revolts in Germany were organic and not the result of communist agitation.

Funny how that works.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Why does no one who tries to debunk the stab in back theory ever post statistic of Jews involved in left wing movements and compare it to their total population to see their loyalty based on proportianate involvements?
There's no reliable statistics on the matter so there's no other choice to rely on personal prejudices to come to a conclusion.

The left believes that the Nazis can never be right about anything, so they dismiss the idea that Jews could have been disloyal.

The right believes that since Jews are disproportionately involved in subversive communist activities in modern countries today they must have also been in WW2 Germany, so they dismiss the idea that Jews are blameless.

Nojokur
Nojokur

You do realise there is some reasons why totalitarian military police state exist, right?
It's doesn't just exist for the evil lulz. it does serve it's purspose.

But lose of freedom and being at constant military oppression, is another debate...

viagrandad
viagrandad

I suppose the Zimmerman Telegraph was also a kike plot and Zimmerman was himself a Jew?

YES YOU'RE GETTING IT NOW, THE JEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWS DID IT ALL

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Germanic autism reaches the requisite level in 1914
time to destroy Europe AGAIN!
do alright for a bit, then steadily get BTFO by Entente powers
lose war in humiliating circumstances, get absolutely bumraped in the surrender treaty
Germany rightfully becomes degenerate impoverished shithole
"HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?" "UHM... UH, UH, UH, TH-THE FUCKING J-JEWS?"
sounds good, I bet it's them lol this Hitler faggot is right
stage set for the second destruction of Europe in less than 30 fucking years

tl;dr we should have gassed all Germans in 1918