It's another wake up and can't go back to sleep episode

How do I defeat the greatest gains goblin of them all Veeky Forums? I sleep an average of 3.5 hours a night, sometimes less. I do everything I need to do to ensure that I don't wake up, like taking a piss right before bed, but I wake up anyways usually because I have to poo(I am never constipated). After I use the bathroom I try my best to go back to sleep, but I'm a very anxious person and my mind is full of thoughts. I try to play some binaural beats to help me go back to sleep, but what happens is that I lie in my bed with my eyes closed while the minutes turn to hours. Despite this my body doesn't allow me to fall asleep during the day, I can only fall asleep between 8-10 pm. I remember my insomnia starting when my older brother moved back in to the house with his girlfriend, but she's long left and I still suffer sleepless nights. What must I do to get my sleep back? If you need more info just ask.

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Also, will insomnia kill me if this keeps going on?

Do you drink coffee or energy drinks or any shit like that during the day? If so, stop.

You mentioned anxiety, that usually spikes your blood pressure which makes it harder to sleep, eat garlic to thin blood out = lower blood pressure = sleep nicely. You could eat it with some greek yoghurt, just something light.

Good luck.

Wont kill you, but it will kill your gains, energy levels etc.

Despite my fucked up sleep schedule I still manage to gain strength every few workouts. I can currently bench 185 on incline for 3-5 reps depending on how much rest I got. I sometimes hear my joints creaking throughout the day though.

I'm senior in highschool and I don't drink coffee. Trust me I love garlic and usually put three big clove in whatever I'm cooking, but it doesn't help.

at what times do u workout? morning? What does your schedule look like?

I workout two days a week(used to be three), full body. Monday right after school and Saturday at around 3 to 4.

what is your diet like?
do you take naps during the day?

It's 12:53 right now I woke up at 10:50 cause of diarrhea. I tried the binaural beats until around 12:20 and now I'm here posting.

also do you have lights on from computer or tv before bed? (major cause of not being able to sleep properly)

stop with the binural beats, try "ASMR" instead

I said that I can't fall asleep during the day. I have a mostly plant based foods type of diet, but I started it long before insomnia crept up on me.

No, I use a red light filter at night and set the brightness as low as possible. Falling asleep is no problem, staying asleep is.

ur a vegan?

Try listening to a podcast, it worked wonders for me. Something not too interesting to you but something to distract you and focus on to prevent racing, anxious thoughts.

There's one called Sleep With Me that is designed to put you to sleep. It's just an old man who rambles on about his dreams and musings and recollections and god knows what else. I don't know if I've ever made it longer than 30 min into one episode.

Not exactly, I sometimes eat meat if there's no other option. Meat makes me feel slow and unenergized, my stomach isn't as good at digesting it anymore.

Start eating meat, right before you eat, pour a table spoon of apple cider vinegar in a glass and down it with some water (mix it)

your body will be able to break down the proteins, do you have heart burn?

Again, falling asleep isn't the problem. How do I stay asleep? I read somewhere that our ancestors may have woken up in the middle of the night and were active for about an hour or two, but why is it only a mnlinority of people this happens to?

Just put the podcast back on whenever you wake up...

I promise diet isn't what causes the insomnia. I went vegan back in 2015 and those were some of the best sleeps I've ever had, I woke up with energy and did two a day workouts.

My insomnia started in around August 2016. I seriously can't believe that it's been more than a year since this started happening.

you have monkey mind and should try meditation.the headspace app is good
also lots of guided meditations on youtube.find what meditation works for you.

youtube.com/watch?v=PIJU1q3meFk

If you commit to actually getting better, your insomnia will disappear pretty fast. Watch this video.

I'm the guy from the othervsoeeping thread. Seems like nobody has an answer for me either, they said just wake up at 5 am everyday but I went to sleep at 9 pm and fucking woke up at 11 pm even after taking 6 mg of melatonin.

I don't want to keep taking sleeping pills because they come with a host of issues after long term use but not being able to sleep is fucking destroying my life.

So this may be a big problem everyone is facing and maybe it'll be best to seek "professional" help i.e. Go to some kike that's gonna prescribe drugs.

There was a time period where I could sleep like a baby and good restful sleeps. I just want to go back to that period.

Your vegan diet is fucking you up, you keep saying "it's not my diet" yes it is. almost 3 years on a vegan diet, you wake up literally to go take a shit. stop with the veganism or at least make sure you don't go at night ffs.

I'll be sure to watch and reearch those today. I doubt I'm going to fall back asleep but I still live with my Mom and brother so I don't want to disturb them.

how does this feel: youtube.com/watch?v=yTzyQznHWAE

makes you zz?

Haven't slept good in years, maybe it's been a few weeks where it regulates but those are so far and between I didn't notice and the results are unreplicable

Dude, what do you not understand? When I went vegan back in Summer 2015 I had some of the best sleep in my life. My diet isn't the issue, if it was I would have noticed withing the first few months. My problem started in my junior year of highschool when there were more people living in my house. Those people are gone but the sleeplessness remains. I understand that Veeky Forums doesn't like vegans but I'm not pushing the diet.

Could be stress related like my insomnia.

Only option for us might be actually meditating or doing drugs.

Meditation seems like the best option I've heard combined with the ASMR stuff. I'll try it this week and see if there's a change. If I make another thread about this in week or two at around this time we'll know it didn't work.

Even if the people are gone, your body remembers those restless nights especially if it happened over a long period of time. It's a form of stress/trauma. You might not be as fucked up as me, but if you're as healthy as you claim, then your only option is to confront the inner torment.

bro... bro.. listen to me...
there's only 2 branches for not being able to sleep.

1. Stress
2. Diet

These have different shades yes, but that's the main thing.

Stress = school, people in your house, anxiety, depression, some illness etc

Diet: Constipation, diarrhoea, bloating, inflammation, etc

Stress does not require drugs my dude, if you can pinpoint the actual cause(s) of what makes you stressed / feel anxiety, you can fix your sleeping issue.

I'm living proof, I had insomnia for about 5 years before I started sleeping normally. All I did was manage my anxiety in a healthy way, drugs will only make it worse in the long run.

What caused my anxiety? My weight.

I'm going to try too and complain and cry to Veeky Forums right alongside you in a week, because any noticeable change in anything takes 90 days to see atleast and I don't have the willpower anymore

> tfw cant sleep without asmr sluts

Kill me.

you have a problem sleeping without listening to asmr? It's just a habit for you my dude.

If you mean me, I rarely have asmr on.

It takes three months? I'll be graduated by then so who knows, the insomnia might go away.

try reducing sugar. it can be just as bad as caffeine in keeping you awake.

I'm graduating highschool in early January, so alot of the stress might be gone after that. I'm hoping that it will anyways.

Mine is definitely stress related because when I smoke weed I trip the fuck out and become super paranoid. I feel like everyone is out to get me or is going to hurt me or get me into trouble I can't trust anyone.

I'm like afraid of everything, afraid of being alone, I have a escort addiction. I can't keep a job. I dropped out of Uni. Rent is due in December. My eating habits aren't the best. I almost got killed when I got ran over by a car the other day. The first love of my life lead me on for 7 years and became a thot and the second love of my life was a crazy thot. I'm a chronic masturbstor and sex addict, sex pervert. I procrastinate on everything no will or drive to do shit at this point.

Now with all the shit I've fucked in these 20 years of my life, now I'm realizing I can't even fucking sleep right.

School it is then, just some friendly advice from a guy that had 5 years of insomnia, don't take the drugs. Do everything else you possibly can to relax yourself, take a nice bath, jerk off, literally do anything else but no drugs. It will fuck your soul.

That actually makes sense, I think I might have started stress eating sweets a while back. I used to have a very strict diet but over a period of time I've gotten looser with what I eat.

Yeah, I don't like relying on drugs. I caved in and had my mom buy me some ZZZquil, but when I read the ingredients it snapped me back to reality.

My weakness is bbq sauce i that shit on everything

You have an anxiety disorder, you would get better quickly if it actually "clicked" in your mind that it's not too late to change, let go of the past.

I used to be a very nice guy, every single gf I've ever had has cheated on me. Every single one, because I was too nice but emotionally distant.

And to know that every single woman I've been with has cheated on me says a lot, but I've learned from those experiences, I've learned what it means to be a man, a boyfriend, husband etc.

That was a middle age thing they had first and second sleep according to some sources.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biphasic_and_polyphasic_sleep

I dont think that was what cavemen did, they probably just slept through the night due to not being able to do anything at night

Anxiety disorder? Fuck me just more bullshit to tack onto my list of fuck ups. Time to OD on NyQuil again maybe I won't wake up this time.

The thing is I also love spicy food(I'm a poo inloo from Trinidad), so that's what makes me not be constipated. But the thing is, is that I've had the same diet for the past 5 years in terms of how much spicy food I eat. I've cut back on it for the past 2 week and only eat the generic American hot sauce that's more salty than sweet. But I think my stach lining may have been corroded a bit from all the spice that i:'ve eaten in the last five years, because I'm still having runny shits.

*more salty than spicy

Dude, it's not "one more thing" it's the root cause of all your other problems. If you fix this ONE problem, all the other problems disappear.

You need to think about things carefully, not give up so easily. You've been (sorry but it's true) a pussy for a while now and you need to snap out of it, not become a little bitch and go "time to OD".

Fix your anxiety, speak to someone, if it costs money, reduce other shit that's ruining your life and invest in that.

Most importantly, read the bible, king james version and get saved. www.holytext.org/gospel

Once you realize who you are to God, your self-image will improve. And if you're not ready for God etc, then work on the anxiety first.

Try melatonin supps

I did, they just make me drowsy.

You know actually if I do have an anxiety disorder, I have a whole prescription of lexapro in my medicine cabinet that I've never started. My doctor told me to take it when I came to him with these persistent problems we tried every diet and excerise possible but nothing worked.

He gave me the lexpro but I never took it. Not a single one.

Good, pills will fuck your for life harder than the illness itself.

I never take the pills either and I'm just focusing on getting better, improving small things about myself that I dislike, one little step at a time.

I hate making my bed, i do not see any point to making my bed, it's the most useless thing I can think of doing because I'll just get back into it later, but i still make my bed. I hate it, it's boring, I'm lazy, it's useless, it's shit, I don't like doing it and I get angry, angry at myself, angry at the sheet for not going the right way, angry at it all.

But when it's done? I feel good. I achieved something I disliked, I did something I did not want to do.

That is how ANYONE improves from anxiety disorders, facing the small problems in life, because if you cannot face the little shit that gets to you, the big shit seems impossible.

Wait I just read a side effect of Lexapro is making me juicey and thicc asf lol hell yeah time to swallow my pride and jump on the ssri ride

When I saw Kira Yoshikages sleep methods of stretching, keeping you room clean, and drinking a warm glass of milk before bed, I imitated it and it sort of helped with the sleeping problems.

Yeah, we humans are not meant to be in disorder, but order. God created us to do things a certain way, to be clean, Godly, have honour, brave, leaders, caretakers etc.

So doing that certainly helps.

So all I have to do is keep my room clean? It is pretty messy right now.

In a word, yes. Human beings were designed for order, not chaos. You need to start respecting yourself, I promise you if you went to a hotel right now and went to bed you'd sleep like a baby.

Your room is where a person with social anxiety spends most of their time, so if you're in a shit enviornment with a shitty feeling, it will only grow. Slowly over the years it will be "i'm gonna kill myself" thoughts.

Change the small things, wash your dishes, brush your teeth each morning, etc. You'll see how good it works.

Yeah man, your demons are hiding in those cum stained undies you left on the floor by your bed this morning lol

This seems like a good idea, i'll add it to the meditation and ASMR.

Looks like I'm going the drugs route.

They're not cumstained, I always put a piece of paper towel over my weeinie after I shoot my goo.

Don't, I know you have some hidden strength in there dawg. The Navy SEALS believe that when you want to give up,, you've only given 40% of your max effort. Go plus ultra! What else do you have to lose?

Another decade of my life

It has now been about 4 hours since I woke up. School starts at 7:40 and I doubt I'll be going back to sleep. If I had a normal sleeping pattern and healthy psychological habits I could've been asleep right now. My lifts wouldn't keep stalling and I'd look overall better because of the lack of stress. One day I hope I can look back on these days and laugh at the retarded anxieties that I had. One day.

At least you got doubles.

Checked.

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Lol still awake too bro damn. I went over my crazy ex house still can't sleep

Do not pray for an easy life, pray for the strength to live through a difficult one. Amirite. I managed to fall asleep an hour ago but my alarm woke me up.

Lmao jackass should've turned that shot off.

But yeah I know what you mean, that strength don't come easy though , and if you don't got the energy to build that strength you're fighting a losing battle. I'm going to try some shit tonight to help me sleep if it doesn't work then I'm taking the SSRI ride. I just want to be normal, even if it's fake normal but hey fake it til you make it is a cheap saying as well. From what I hear withdrawal from Lexapro ain't that bad anyway so no harm no foul am I right?

I had the alarm on because I though I was going to school. And you should definitely exhaust every natural method before making your sleep reliant on drugs my dude.

Be in this fight since I was 16 years old. I've watched my life go by and shit falll apart around me. I'm almost 21, and while I can say I've successfully cured the depression at this point, the anxiety ain't going no where. I've tried it all my dude. Every supplement, every diet, increasing water, heavy lifting, cardio, putting myself in social situations, multiple sex partners, one sex partner, no sex partners, no fap, no porn, no pmo, no video games, being a NEET. The only answer left is that it's a chemical imbalance, caused by constant stress and mental trauma throughout my youth. I'm sure if anyone else tried even half the shit I've done to fix my petty existential bullshit they would be pretty well off right now, but seeing as I did all that and still got hang ups it's time for different avenues.

If that's true then no one can tell you that you're in the wrong. I hope these pills solve your sleep problem, mines started at 16 too.

Goodmorning sleeping normies

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Masturbate, or read a book, or both. Not a book on your computer, a book made out of paper and shit. Or do something relaxing like a Sudoku before you go to bed. You might need to emotionally unwind every night.

Get ALL BLINKING LIGHTS out of your room. TV, alarm clock, anything electronic that emits light, out. If you have to have an alarm clock, put the screen on the ground so the light doesn't emit into your room.

Wifi shit- get it out of your room. Move your bed 6 inches away from the wall so the electricity moving through the wall doesn't mess with you. EMF/electronic poisoning is real, I bet it significantly affects 1/3 of all people. If you're someone who doesn't feel right/feels spacey under fluorescent lighting, you should really try reducing the amount of time you're around wifi in general.

Tried it.

Next?

I've been up since 11 pm yesterday by the way.

Meditate twice a day. This is going to do more for your anxiety than anything else. No cheat codes here.

>lexapro and crunchyroll
such is the life of an /a/ neet

Hmmm....... running works for me. 20 minutes, 4 minutes easy, 1 minute as hard as possible. Doing that at 8-9 at night on an empty stomach usually knocks me out. Maybe start tracking when you're eating and see if that affects your sleep. If I eat a big meal within 4 hours of bed I almost always have a harder time falling asleep.

For me, if I can't fall asleep within an hour, I will just take a sleeping pill or an anti-histamine. I use a pill cutter and 1/3 of a pill usually does the trick. More than a 1/3 of a pill and I'm groggy the whole next morning. I'd say I take one twice a week at this point.

And this is going to sound silly but... there might be a spiritual component to all of this. I think a lot of people who just know they don't fit in to this world have a hard time ever being in a relaxed state in general. A lot of people I've met who have a hard time sleeping seem to be smarter, more aware people. I bet chemically they have a messed up oxytocin-cortisol relationship in their brain. Not sure how that's supposed to help, but something to ponder.

I've been dealing with this for years. Maybe not to the same degree that you've been, but its definitely affected my well being. Good luck sir! Progress will come in time. I didn't think it would for me but after months and years it has. You just have to figure it out for yourself.