Has getting Veeky Forums changed your political beliefs?

what a shitty copy of the original quote

>Nobody has good jobs anymore. Nobody can afford a house now.
Stop being poor, or stop living in liberal shit holes.

I-I actually have a great career and I'm 29

But I also dropped my former life and went towards a career where I eventually made it. There's a lot of people who have well paying jobs however a lot of people also have given up

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It is a fairly accurate representation of the multiple quotes to that effect.

Stop being a buttmad socialist.

that's good for you. I am in the same situation too. but only so many people can do our jobs. there just aren't that many to go around. And there are many more who aren't in our situation who are being left behind. it isn't just a matter of giving up or not.

this is brilliant advice. why don't more people think of this? it's that easy.

That feel when white, work a blue collar job and have a house. Oh yeah, I'm also 21 and conservative as fuck

>that's good for you. I am in the same situation too.
Why do you think that is?

Did you just get lucky to get your job, or did you work harder and better than your peers?

>faggots who whine about the dumbest shit are low t
wow who would've thought?

What other countries?
I'm a natural born American but also lived abroad, it has really changed how I see America as well. Definitely made me more moderate conservative.

I'm an IT engineer, we are always hiring and struggling to fill positions since so many companies are growing. The issues I've seen is a lot of people are just not qualified enough to join our team. Many, many people graduate college with a BA in computer science and some struggle to find high end corporate jobs, the issue is they just don't have the experience and they don't have the certifications background to get high end corporate job. I started at the bottom, dropped out of college so no BA/AA in IT and have a ton of certs with years of network/security experience and I've been getting calls for jobs in multiple states and I always tell them, I'm already comfortably employed and not looking for new opportunities. The problems are the quality of people just isn't there, not everyone gets lucky with a BA. Get to work, start at the bottom and learn some goddamn skills in your actual field.

I've done hiring before, and hated it. All these people with graduate degrees interviewing and they have no certs or actual cybersecurity experience under their belt.

I started at the bottom senpai....

I did work harder than a lot of my peers, but I'm also privileged.

Certainly success is due in large part to your own will to work hard. But it's also simply a fact that people are subject to macroeconomic forces that they have no ability to influence.

That's why I'm a leftist. To address the latter so that success depends more on the former.

I came from Moldova/Romania. I'm from Eastern Europe, moved to America, learned English and eventually struggled finding a good career. Until one day I realized you have to work for everything in life and nobody owes you anything. Eventually I made it and now work in a very high up role.

>I'm from Eastern Europe and moved to the US from the poorest region in Europe
>No shit, I worked my way up and now I'm almost 30

>I did work harder than a lot of my peers
Wouldn't that make you worth more than them, ie justifying your position ahead of them?

>but I'm also privileged.
Unless you were born with a silver spoon, or working in your family's business, you are not privileged in any significant way.

that's good for you dude. I got a BA in English and went through a similar struggle to finally get a decent paying job.

Again, I'm not saying that people are completely powerless and have no control over their destiny. Obviously they do. But it's naive to think that's ALL it takes.

I am though. I'm not rich but my parents paid for my college. There's also a security that comes from knowing you have a safety net. You're able to take risks without failing too horribly. Whereas if other people who are poor take similar risks, they fall into the abyss if they fail.

I'm guessing that you look at the Left as a caricature of what it really is, that you think Leftists want to just take money from the rich and give it to the poor and make everybody equal. But that isn't the objective. It's recognizing that there's a vast underclass who live miserable lives, and they just don't have to be quite that miserable. SOMEBODY is going to have to work at McDonald's. And there's enough money that they don't have to live in hell.

Social liberal, fiscal conservative for the most part.

I'm fine with gay marriage (seriously, who gives a fuck?), and that racism is a problem, but I also don't think spending government money on a lot of these issues is unnecessary.

On healthcare, I think we need to take a look at what other 1st world countries are doing and completely change the entire system, inside and out.

Funding for the US military needs to literally be cut in half. It's ridiculous how much we invest in 'spreading freedom.' We shouldn't be babysitting every country on the planet.

>there is no getting that out of me
have you tried being 150 lbs overweight?

>Funding for the US military needs to literally be cut in half

it's simplistic but I seriously think of this in terms of like Civilization 5. "Huh my economy is doing pretty shitty right now. I"m not in any wars so I may as well just delete a few of these unnecessary military units."

>radical any political party

kys, degenerate

>radical leftist
>reddit spacing
Like pottery

I said radical leftist, not radical democrat.

kys, partisan idiot

No. Living in a liberal city and reflecting on it did, though.

>reddit spacing

Wtf does this mean?

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I cannot believe how many people actually believe this is a thing.
This doesn't exist, user. "reddit" spacing has been used here for over a fucking decade

Yes, I've become more socialist.
USSR had the best lifters in the world, and it still produces the best olympic weightlifters. State socialism is the only ideology that supports national sports programs that last and produce results
>China
>USSR
>Cuba
>B-but muh master race
Hitler stole all of his demonstrations and public initiatives from NazBol and funded them using German porky funds.

Same here. The weak don't deserve handouts.

>muh video game analogy
People like you need to be culled

You are the one misrepresenting the arguments of your opponents, by implying that the right wing doesn't care about the living standards of poor people. But the reality is that they simply don't agree that the left's solutions, (i.e. increased welfare, increased government spending and therefore larger government, increased taxation) actually fucking WORK and believe that they make things worse.

For example in the US untold billions have been spent on welfare programs and investments in the black community for the last 50 years. But all it has achieved is increased black dependency on welfare, while the black community itself declines in almost every sense of the word; single mother homes, crime rates, education standards, wealth.
What is the left's response to the complete failure of their welfare policy? MORE WELFARE. It wasn't enough, blacks are disadvantaged, we need mo money for dem programs.

The general principle that the right wing believes in is the old give a man a fish/teach a man to fish idea. But it takes a hard man to say 'no you can't have my fucking fish because it won't help you, go get your own'

>I'm not rich but my parents paid for my college.
That is not privilege. The fact you don't have 30-50k in debt from a regional or state college in no way effects your ability to rise to be in the top 10% of earners. ( 128k per yer per household).

I grew up in a trailer park in Midwest City Oklahoma. I am in the 1%. Now people call me privileged. Was I privileged picking up cans on the side of the road to buy a pair of $12 turntec shoes? My best friend (also a trailer trash) was a c-d student in high school, never went to college. Now he makes 200k a year operating cranes. Guess how he got there? Working harder and better than everyone else.

People that are perpetually poor, are not worth anything. Top 25% of earners is 75k per year per household. Tell me how that is an insurmountable plateau to anyone willing to work. They either have no desire to raise lot in life, or they are lazy. I do not think either of those cases should be subsidized.

I do not accept that anyone outside of developmentally challenged have any excuse for being perpetually poor.

Hi Tom Sowell

sup my nigga

I was always conservative and then I ascended.

It's an age thing. The older I get, the less I can stand partisan politics and just want to be left alone to work in the lab and lift at the gym. Fuck radicals of both parties.

Yes.

I used to be a self righteous leftie scoffing at conservatives and defending immigrants from criticism.

Now weakness disgusts me, I don't respect the opinions of almost any women, I don't want mud people in my country and I consider the problems of the rest of the world to be their problems and not ours.

I'm not misrepresenting arguments. I do recognize that many on the right simply have a practical disagreements but do care about the poor. But, still, more of them simply do not care about their suffering.

the black community declines because they were hit first, and hardest, by deindustrialization in the 70s. we are only now beginning to see whites succumb to this trend to the point that people notice/care. all welfare could do was soften the effects of this a bit. the idea that the plight of the black community is because of welfare is delusional.

Your fishing analogy would make more sense like this: okay, I learned how to fish. but now I'm in debt and have to pay half of the fish I catch to pay off this debt. also I can't afford a fishing pole so I have to go into further debt for that. also, there's a large fishing business on this river that catches half of the fish, and other established small-business fisherman get much of the rest. leaving only a small amount for me and other poor fishermen to compete over.

you're not really looking at this in terms of broad historical trends. it's good that you and your friend achieved what you have. you competed and won a top spot. But there are only so many of those spots, and the economic situation is worsening. More and more wealth is concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.

it's not about excusing the poor. it's recognizing that there will inevitably be many poor, and it's better for society as a whole if they're able to secure a little wealth of their own and live decent existences.

They were hit hardest by deindustrialisation because they are too uneducated to adapt to other industries. Maybe if they finished school, i.e. learned how to fucking fish, they would be in a better position.

It's the lack of fathers that is subsidized by welfare that causes these problems. If you look other groups are beginning to catch up and are experiencing the same rise in poverty and incarceration.

Your (retarded) extended analogy seems to imagine that 'catching fish' is 'starting a business' but it isn't. If you can catch fish then you can work for the large business or indeed the other small businesses and there is nothing wrong with that. You aren't becoming wealthy but dammit you're not starving.

Also
>have to pay half of the fish I catch to pay of this debt

If in this metaphor the debt is student debt (I can't really tell desu) then do you really believe that you pay half your paycheck towards student debt? Wtf?

Nope

that just isn't an adequate explanation. I don't think you can reasonably expect average working people to anticipate and prepare for macroeconomic changes that most people can't see coming.

and fine, that's all well and good, but they didn't. and they same is true with a load of poor white people who also didn't. so what happens to them? just shoot them in the head and bury them in a hole? no. you put together some kind of system to address their needs, either through subsidized reeducation or some other means. it was done with the GI Bill, but it doesn't happen now because the government doesn't give a fuck.

You deserve zyklon, friendo.

>black men run away from their responsibilities as fathers
>white men are forced to pay for the kids through taxes
>no one faces any negative consequences of their actions
>therefore negative actions keep happening
>long term ill effects increase

mo money fo dem programs

I was just kind of vaguely addressing the fact that most income games over the past few decades have gone to the rich, while basically everybody else has seen their income stagnate.

it's harder and harder for these fishermen to secure and grow their wealth when all the gains are going towards people who already have wealth and make money off it.

It's genetic

Why would you be a radical anything

this is just stupid. the breakdown of families in black community is a result of poverty. it is not what causes poverty.

Why not both

because the status quo is shit and needs to be changed. if you're comfortable then I can see why you wouldn't be radical.

there are entire countries where people are objectively poorer than niggers in the US but you're going to keep pretending "poverty" is the root cause regardless. you don't want to see reality.

No. I've always been left leaning pseudo libertarian. I don't give a fuck about feels or political correctness though.

Then why aren't poor white families broken down like black ones, they aren't.

fair. they two are mutually reinforcing.

>there are entire countries where people are objectively poorer than niggers in the US
uhh, so the fuck what?

uhhh, yes they are. look at the opioid epidemic. Trump just declared it a national emergency.

>you're not really looking at this in terms of broad historical trends
Tell me which trend other than poor people live better lives in the west than they have ever in the history of the species. Or that there is not more income mobility than at any other time in human history.

>But there are only so many of those spots,
False, it is not a zero sum game.

>the economic situation is worsening.
False, the economy is larger than it has ever been.

>More and more wealth is concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.
Again, a few people having more does not mean many have less. It isn't a zero sum game.

>it's recognizing that there will inevitably be many poor, and it's better for society as a whole if they're able to secure a little wealth of their own and live decent existences.
And I disagree that giving poor people money does anything besides keep them in servitude. If you really wanted to help the poor, you would be giving them job training, not food stamps. You have to incentivize success not failure.

so being poor does not turn people into promiscuous retards. it's the other way around. being poor is mostly an effect, not a cause. poor asian women don't have 5 kids from 5 fathers anywhere in the world.

dumbest post in the whole thread, congrats mate.

> What is a trailer park?

I guess when you are low-tier garbage (fat, incel, manlet, ugly, stupid) you gotta be proud of something. At least not a nig amirite?

anecdotal evidence incoming:

I live in the UK. At 19 I was homeless when I failed my college course, was fired from my job and my parents kicked me out. I had no extended family and could only stay with friends temporarily. For six months I had no permanent address, and I spent many nights outside in the winter cold, stuffing my clothes with newspapers to insulate myself. The YMCA wouldn't offer a permanent room, the council put me on a waiting list for housing that seemed infinitely long. I barely ate, I had nits, I must have weighed about 9 stone at 6'5.

The only way I saw out was to find some way of earning money. I got a friend to cut my hair, borrowed a shirt, got an interview at Mcdonalds and got a job. Within a month of earning £6 an hour I was renting a room. Within a year I was renting a house with a friend. I was promoted twice. I now live with my fiancée and a cat, I work in a restaurant earning about £20k a year, I study a law degree with the Open University, I have 10 grand saved and we share a car. I have never accepted money from anyone apart from £100 from my brother which I paid back. I have never claimed welfare. My fiancée and I want a child and we will work 3 or 4 days a week each to make ends meet until I can get a job that pays enough to support a family.

Please tell me why this is not an option for anyone else who has the desire to improve their lot in life.

His point was that even poor whites, do not have children out of wedlock at rates of blacks.

Which is true. 71% of blacks are born out of wedlock as of 2014. 29% of whites.

Yes poor people globally live better lives than they have historically but conditions are worsening in the US in particular, which is what I'm talking about. There is also LESS income mobility today in the US than in previous decades. Remember the 1950s that conservatives always want us to return to?

>False, the economy is larger than it has ever been.
The size of the economy does not mean the economy is good, and it certainly doesn't mean the economy is good for most people.

>Again, a few people having more does not mean many have less. It isn't a zero sum game.
I didn't say it was a zero sum game. But we're currently seeing a situation where returns on capital people already own are exceeding the actual growth output of the economy. as the economy grows, the rich secure a greater share of this output because of the capital they already own, leaving less for everyone else. year over year this situation worsens because the rich secure more and more wealth and so secure more and more of this growth.

Considering yourself a radical is fucking idiotic. Have you never watched the news, you dumb mook?

I'm low t and voted for trump tho

Right, who gives a fuck about reproducing ... lets all be gay. Anti-white racism is a problem though, agreed.

>ideology based on egalitarianism, groupthink and redestribution
>libertarian
neck.

hahha good troll friendo. either that or you have never read a book. now be a good goy.

>Please tell me why this is not an option for anyone else who has the desire to improve their lot in life.
Entitlement.

muh white trash = cherry picking, look at the general trends. look at the big picture.

>There is also LESS income mobility today in the US than in previous decades.

Welfare only ever increased during those decades so do you at least admit that more welfare will not fix anything?

>do you at least admit that more welfare will not fix anything?

I do admit that. On its own it won't fix our current situation. It's like the liberals who think that simply banning guns will suddenly fix gun crime. Alone, no. We need more comprehensive change.

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He's mad that you made a visible paragraph change.
Double spacing is for people who actually care about formatting and passed the third grade.

No, going to university did.

Being surrounded by educated Marxist-feminist professors and activists influenced me to [spoiler]despise their ideologies utterly and go out of my way to fight them in any way I can because holy shit they are fucking ruining everything[/spoiler]

>There is also LESS income mobility today in the US than in previous decades.
To be in the top 10% of households, you need to earn roughly 125k per year per household. Please explain how that is some sort of bar that no one can achieve unless they come from generational wealth. . 2 people with any degree in a major city would probably make that easy. If you lived in the middle of no where, it would be harder, but number would also need to be deflated for the lower cost of living. To be in the top 25%, you only need 75K per year per household.

>The size of the economy does not mean the economy is good, and it certainly doesn't mean the economy is good for most people.
Give me a single metric that would agree with that statement. Unemployment has been low for years. Interest rates are low. GDP growth is up. Employment is up. What makes you say that the economy is bad for most people?

>I didn't say it was a zero sum game.
>spend next few sentences explaining how it is a zero sum game.

>year over year this situation worsens because the rich secure more and more wealth and so secure more and more of this growth.
The fifth and sixth richest people in the US are Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos. Facebook and Amazon.

How old are those companies? Moreover how many people do you think have become wealthy in their own right because of facebook or amazon?

I think you are using feels over reals here friend.

>On its own it won't fix our current situation.
>We need more comprehensive change.

So you're holding on to welfare as a good thing with no proof then. Do you have nothing to say to conservatives who argue welfare inherently causes the recipients to become complacent? The way welfare works in the US it directly enables the single-motherhood epidemic of the black population which is arguably the root cause of the downward spiral of young men being useless criminals, failing economically, bailing on responsibility etc. Single-motherhood is PROVEN to be detrimental to children and ultimately to all of society as those children become a burden or threat. One of many sources: Left two columns in pic related.

>Give me a single metric that would agree with that statement. Unemployment has been low for years. Interest rates are low. GDP growth is up. Employment is up. What makes you say that the economy is bad for most people?
Unemployment is up since the recession, but most of those jobs are temporary, part time, etc. Overall insecure jobs with poor or no benefits. Like I said before, the average person's wages have not kept up with inflation. Productivity is up but people are not taking home as much money as they used to. The middle class is shrinking.

>The fifth and sixth richest people in the US are Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos. Facebook and Amazon.

How old are those companies? Moreover how many people do you think have become wealthy in their own right because of facebook or amazon? I think you are using feels over reals here friend.

I'm really not. How do you explain that people are rejecting liberal institutions and centrist politicians? Bernie Sanders was the most popular politician on the Left. Donald Trump, a populist candidate, beat every other Republican. You might be fine but most people are having a pretty shitty time right now, and it's only getting worse.

Fucking little turd

Imi pare rau de tn, e ft bn in tara, freelance programming si castig usor 5000€+ lunar, aunt indieni/arabi prosti bogati care ma roaga sa le fac aplicatii si ma platesc sume imense.

Nu zice de tara cand tu ai plecat in loc sa stai sa ajuti sa o facem mai buna. Daca toti oameni buni pleaca, raman doar manelisti inculti aici.

Have a nice life

>I have no argument so I'll say something about da jews

suck start a .45 you mouthbreather

>Do you have nothing to say to conservatives who argue welfare inherently causes the recipients to become complacent?

You only have to look at the Scandinavian countries to see that isn't the case.

Welfare isn't the cause of any of the bullshit you're talking about. Welfare is just a shitty bandaid to take care of a population left behind by deindustrialization, free trade, and globalism.

Being Veeky Forums never changed it, but being Veeky Forums made me less willing to hide my beliefs.
I've been told that when you travel and see the world, you become more empathetic to other peoples' struggles. MAXIMUM FUCKING KEK. The more I've met people the more I've confirmed they only function on emotion and free handouts. I'd straight up genocide 60% of the world just to return to a stable society.

So congrats, leftists, you've only succeeded in creating another person who wants you dead.

>dad and most uncles fought/killed commies in their old countries
>dad thinks anyone left of Pinochet is a filthy communist
>mom unironically thinks CNN is a communist propaganda channel and should be shut down
>spent time in the Muhreens myself, would go out to SoCal Trump Rallies on libo to square up with protesters (extremely stupid thing to do as Active duty in hindsight)
>start lifting seriously after losing a shitload of weight on deployment
>beliefs just get reinforced as I go up in weight and train harder
>mfw all the filthy DYEL on the left
>mfw leftists pushing some bullshit article about how men of an entire race (White) shouldn't lift
>mfw they'd probably say bullshit like that and then cry about racism

pathetic really

>I've been told that when you travel and see the world, you become more empathetic to other peoples' struggles.

I got told the same thing but after going to places like SE Asia and the Middle East, I came back as xenophobic as ever, tenfold really. Its obvious that who ever said that must've never traveled to the dark corners of the Earth where the left wants to import people from.

The Scandinavian countries are declining rapidly. They didn't use to have a nigger population but now they do and things are going to go the same way as they did in the US.

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my fellow conrad

>I've been told that when you travel and see the world, you become more empathetic to other peoples' struggles. MAXIMUM FUCKING KEK.
so much this

>Right, who gives a fuck about reproducing ... lets all be gay.

The world population is already approaching what the earth can sustain, surely 1% of men not reproducing isn't a bad thing?

And he does it again

The government gives more of a fuck now than ever before, wtf are you smoking.

Adapting to change is a personal responsibility. Other people are not responsible for your ignorance. If you care so much then by all means, start a charity for that cause, but don't steal money from people who HAVE adapted to the changes and give it to people who didn't.

As an American that lived a while in Europe (Madrid, specifically), my positions got softer on war (noninterventionist) and healthcare (universal healthcare is superior and even if it's more expensive, it's worth it) but I've moved powerfully to the right on every issue (I see the horrors of tolerance and socialist bullshit) that I feel Trump is entirely too much to the left.

Remember when they were also poor in the 50s, but were still semi-cohesive?

You're a retard, conservatives have much bigger hearts than liberals.

people have gotten retardedly obsessed with politics to the point of making it a central part of their identity. Can't you fuckers see that you're falling for an organized attempt to limit and sort your thoughts into a simple binary categorization.

>I'm team red, so I believe whatever team red believes
>team blue are the baddies, I can't believe how wrong they are about everything. If only they were woke like team red is.

Engaging in team politics is letting the media dumb you down in order to feed you a simplistic and easily absorbable version of reality. Stop falling for it.