Why did the British stop the Russians from taking Istanbul? Who was the main proponent of it?
Why did the British stop the Russians from taking Istanbul? Who was the main proponent of it?
Wyatt Roberts
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Dominic Baker
Not upsetting the balance of power.
Ever since the Brits learnt about the Indian March of Paul they were deeply suspicous of Russia, that same tsar paul had (through an interesting series of events) in spite of his orthodoxy managed to become grand master of the hospitallers and thus sovereign over malta.
It was a possability that the Russians could be a sufficiently potent naval player in the Mediterranean to undermine British international dominance.
After the fall of Napoleon, Russia was thhe only European power that could rival Britain, central asia through to the black sea was their inevitable theatre.
How secure would the prospective suez canal be if it was Russians based in constantinople and not Turks? - who were regarded at this time as week and indolent.
Thomas Williams
The French were in main opposition, the Russians actually thought the Brits would side with them at first.
Dylan Kelly
>When the balance of power in Europe trumped the general aesthetic of a christian power ruling Constantinople
fucking anglos
Noah Butler
Autism about the russian fleet in the eastern Mediterranean. Especially after the suez canal was opened
Samuel Edwards
>Istanbul
That's Constantinople.
Levi Mitchell
t.milo
Jacob Bailey
>milo
My name is Chados Megalophallos
Charles Mitchell
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Jacob Sanchez
The russians being able to take Istanbul is a complete meme. The russians didn't win a single battle against the ottomans during their balkan invasion and the christians in the ottoman empire weren't willing to fight alongside russia either. The only success the russians had were some minor achievements in the caucasus which is far away from istanbul and their naval superiority. And that was the whole reason. The british and french were worried about the russian navy and didn't want it to have access to the mediterranean so they jumped in to destroy the russian naval bases long after the russians already retreated from the balkans.
Austin Wood
Ottomans were shit scared about the Dardanelles campaign though, they had literally 2 munition factories and both were on the Bosporus in easy range of a naval attack, you'd think they might have learnt to not do that shit by 1915 but alas
Chase Turner
Because the english were always deathly afraid someone would eclipse their power. Same thing with Germany.
Lincoln Nguyen
Why is the great enemy of the Anglo hegemon always Russia?
Angel Thompson
>be afraid of losing your power
>lose your empire over the war to preserve your power
WW1 really is ironic
Isaiah Davis
>christian
Is it really? Are the Orthodox really Christian from a Anglican/Protestant perspective or just heretics equal to the Turks?
John Torres
Better than the world wide kraut dominance that would of occured if Germany had won (any of) the World War(s)
Michael Cook
From an Anglican/Protestant POV they're just bearded Catholics
Noah Barnes
>world wide kraut dominance
Benjamin Rivera
Daily reminder that "balance of power" is a Jewish cdisinfo odeword for "we must stop anti-semitic Christian empires", it was used against Russia in the Crimean War and against Germany in both world wars. Britain itself never benefitted from these actions, onky the Rothschilds did.
Caleb Nelson
>your brain on /pol/ memes
Ethan Thompson
Well, Benjamin Disraeli was the PM...not /pol/, but really, makes you ponder.
Luke Williams
He wasn't PM during Crimea mate, his foreign policy was nothing special for the time
Luis Baker
Try to genuinely tell me what exactly did Britain gain from Russia gaining a foothold in Europe? Why weren't the Brits equally concerned about le balance when it came to the USSR or the USA?
Ethan Williams
>Who was the main proponent of it?
Disraeli but he was not alone by any stretch. Gladstone and his faction wanted the Turkish empire to collapse because they cannot into realpolitik.
Angel Barnes
Because they were wrecked and the Concert of Europe system had collapsed decades earlier with the Triple Entente and the Triple Alliance, the Brits had even promised Russia Constantinople during WW1 which they guaranteed to them more than once because they knew the Russians would think it was too good to be true(it was)
Justin Richardson
By 1910s the Jews were already working on dissoluting the Ottoman empire as it was no longer useful to them, Young Turks were led by Jews from Thessaloniki.
Elijah Wood
>what exactly did Britain gain from Russia gaining a foothold in Europe?
There was a very real fear in Britain at the time that Russia would overtake them. With hindsight we can see that this was a bit overblown but hindsight is 20/20 as they say. Russia was the only power (other than Germany and USA towards the end of the century) that was capable of challenging Britain. Britain's policy had always been to side with the weak against the strong. They were concerned about cold hard geopolitical facts, not le ebin retake Constantinople memes.
>Why weren't the Brits equally concerned about le balance when it came to the USSR or the USA?
USA was isolationist until WW2 (with a brief gap in1917-19) when it was too late anyway for Britain to resist, given that Hitler's Germany was a much more immediate threat.
USSR was actually a concern, hence the intervention in the Russian Civil War, but the Whites were never going to win and Britain knew this. There was no appetite for a war after WW2 so that ruled out military action but one of the reasons for Britain trying to keep the peace with Germany was because they hoped to work together against communism. After Molotov-Ribbentrop that went up in flames and once Britain was in another war it couldn't afford, it had to pick one of the USSR or USA to essentially submit to. USA was the obvious choice, and Britain was in no position to dictate anything to the USSR at Yalta or Potsdam.
tl;dr balance of power only mattered during the Pax Britannica and the century preceding it
Austin Clark
This was from before 1910 and had more to do with Germany than anything else
Liam Morgan
>everything is the jews
Name them
Thomas Baker
>intervention in the Russian Civil War
The western """intervention""" in the RCW was a fucking joke. Literally just a couple thousand troops. That's like talking about the Dominican intervention in WW2.
William Barnes
Its self evident
Jaxon Richardson
Aaron Morales
Yeah, no shit, finish reading that sentence
The point is that they got involved at all
Aaron Sullivan
That's nobody's business but the Turks.