Why do doctors get so angry with patients who are proactive in learning about their condition?

Angry doctors are stupid. If you actually know what you’re talking about you should easily be able to convince a patient that they are wrong and you are right.

T. Medical specialist that deals with patient’s bulshit

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My old doctor was stupid. He told me to do 2 hours of cardio on the treadmill everyday and that if I increase my weight and put on muscle thats still bad because ill be over my bmi. I was 18 at the time for cardiologist visit because hyper tension runs in on my father side. Suprise surprise he was Indian

Because doctors like to just tick off symptoms till they get a general diagnosis, then pump you full of whatever opioids give them the biggest kickback from the pharm industry

Exactly, how hard is it to say that's wrong here's why. Seems like you'd only have a problem with patients being engaging and proactive when you don't stay current in your own field and have no idea about whatever study the patient is referring to. Afraid of looking ignorant or getting exposed.

Or they are just god complex assholes who can't believe a person actually living with the condition might know something they don't.

Most of the doctors are wrong too.

no one runs in ur family fatty

lmao rekt

this. I used to think self diagnosising was faggy af.

That was until my dads girlfriend who worked in pharma got drunk and started crying about all the poeple she screwed over by pressuring doctors with money to prescribe needless meds.

A few members of my family have nearly been killed by doctors. Now we drive to the next city over if we need emergency care.

>Suprise surprise he was Indian

Indian doctor's tend to be the worst because they only became a doctor for social status. A person like this doesn't have any interest in their field or their patients, they only do the bare minimum required to achieve and maintain their status.

I switch the hopstial I would normally go to. I need accommodation for lifting

Most doctors are unbelievable narcissists to the point where thay level of narcissism isn't comprehensible to most people. Questioning their word is akin to questioning the word of God in their minds.

>t. Medical student

This, doctors are responsible for the opioid crisis and giving children legal meth from a young age

Most millenial libshits are only in it for the social status too. See

That standard MD god complex stuff, has been a thing since the first shamans.

because becoming a doctor means 8 years of medschool and you learn more in a semester than some people in 4 years. coming from a board that gets smug about hitting 1pl8 i would think you understand why know it all people are annoying

>Because doctors like to just tick off symptoms till they get a general diagnosis, then pump you full of whatever opioids give them the biggest kickback from the pharm industry
Hits the nail on the head.

Not only an US problem, btw, Europe seems to be worse sometimes.

Yeah how about no, the US has the opioid crisis, not the EU.

In my country, if you don't prescribe antibiotics to someone with a cold, you are a bad doctor. If you try to convince them that not only it's not necessary but potentially harmful, they say how this other doctor did prescribe antibiotics and that you basically don't know your shit. There's no convincing with some people.

It's because the patient's health is considered the doctor's duty (unfortunately, I might add). If he agreed and that hadn't worked, nobody could guarantee that your mother wouldn't go around saying "this doctor told me to do fasting and follow a vegetarian diet and it didn't work and now my joints are destroyed and it's all his fault". His only defense is the guidelines that recommend the use of said immunosuppresant or to decline the responsibility and let your mother do her own thing.

That is actually quite true, I have seen one too many times free pharma Macs on doctors' offices.

I think laypeople are just simply stupid. Everyone thinks theyre a special snowflake, have the most unique diseases and shit like that. Also nowadays that there are more numales and niggers like that, people just want to see a fucking doctor for a normal, common cold. The healthcare system is truly overbooked due to retards taking all the slots and therefore doctors really dont have that much time with most people.

Weak people should just die.

>I think people are just simply stupid.
>Weak people should just die.
t. typical American doctor.

>oy vey goy, don't trust those evil pharmacists and doctors that have saved millions of lives, you should listen to the pseudoscientists who don't even know basic biology and get all their medical knowledge from tumblr blogs

>t. God complex

im a european pharmacist but whatever. Youre on point about me hating people, thats obvious, but I think me and many doctors and other professions, medically related or not, share a common way of thinking; mostly its shit but when its not, it counts.

>Because doctors like to just tick off symptoms till they get a general diagnosis
That's how any problem solving profession works. The opioid thing is a different matter, but attempting to generalize the problem to try for a solution is what most science based jobs require

(((doctors)))

It challenges their intelligence and harms their ego, especially when your doctor is clueless on the subject.

med student here

because patients come with CONCLUSIONS that they waste your time by having you DISPEL while they argue back with very limited knowledge.

no, sir, i can not explain to you 6 years of medical school so you can understand why your buzzfeed article was misleading and is ultimately wrong. there are many people waiting to be seen and treated and my time is really fucking precious and really fucking expensive and really fucking scarce

and yes, it is wrong.

doctors will gladly discuss treatment options but they do NOT have time to give you a higher education in biochemistry, pharmacology, pathophisiology and the works while you recite wikipedia

the same way that a rocket scientist or computer engineer cant do it without spending a whole day

You think doctors are bad? Try fucking dentists.

>Be young
>Brush teeth regularly and use mouthwash
>Have a cavity every single time I go
>Stop going for 7 years while maintaining same, if not worse, dental routine
>Find new dentist and go. They gasp when I tell them I haven't been in 7 years and don't believe it's possible
>Have zero cavities, minimal tartar buildup, and pretty white teeth

Turns out my old dentist was milking my amazing insurance with false cavities.

If you can't simplify the explanation to their level you don't fully understand the matter.
You are a trained monkey at best.

Most doctors have a severe lack of problem solving ability, ironically.

Another short from my cardiologist.

>Be in amazing cardio shape because of basketball and some other cardio
>Ease into cardiovascular docs office to have a routine check-up
>Nurse starts checking vitals, gets visibly worried, and begins asking me if I'm okay every few seconds
>Before I know it there's 2 more nurses and a fucking crash cart screaming down the hallway

Turns out being in shape is super rare. RHR of 49, BP 120/69, respirations 4/minute had them concerned I was gonna die.

this

you dont know what the fuck you are talking about. when a patient shows up with highly specific information that he got off the internet and nothing else, there's no way to dispel it without using equally highly specific information.

if patients come and say "I read that enzyme X which is in this medication does ABC to me", there's no way to explain it simply how wrong they are. and that's what they do. they arm themselves with specific scientific information with NO understanding of context or of medicine and expect you to educate them in how wrong they are. and that takes time.

Yes, I can explain quickly that chemotherapy is poison for rapidly multiplying cells, like cancer but also skin and hair, and that's why it's technically "bad for you" but it also will save your life.

What I CAN'T do in 5 minutes is educate you about every single chemical and it's pharmacoactivity and reactions just because you read on buzzfeed that one part of it does something bad to you.

trust me, I know, this is every day of my life for a couple years now. patients are people, and people are often dumb. and ignorant. and scared. and they WILL waste your (precious little available) time with a pointless education.

sorry, but other people's lives are more important than your understanding and i have 8 more people to see in the next hour and a half before i need to hit the staff meeting and come back for another 50 people. go to med school if you care so much.

doctors are megalomaniacs who make up for their micropenis and wasting their prime years doing 48 hour shifts by lording it over you and gate keeping the medication via prescriptions

thankfully the internet has made them irrelevant as I simply buy the medication I want online

doctors can lose their license, get sued and go broke, or even go to prison for malpractice

stfu with your garbage assumptions. when your mom hits he head on the sink and needs surgery its one of those assholes who will save her life you ignorant pill popping asswipe

wrong

my doctor ended up kicking off when I went in for wellbutrin and answered every reason he wouldn't give me it by dropping stacks of journal articles on his desk and summarising how they btfo every point he was making

told him in that case fine I'll just buy it myself and do it under no medical supervision and asked him to reflect upon how his Hippocratic oath covered that outcome

haven't been back since and i'm better than ever

I nearly got into a physical confrontation with my doctor a few years back because I wouldn't believe him that my obesity was due to poor diet. I used to tell him that there was no peer reviewed science to back this at all, and even though he went out of his way to find papers explaining the various mechanisms I simply paid a homeless man to do a voiceover of a video I found of a doctor on the internet saying obesity isn't caused by food. I also used to smugly eat candy bars in his office to annoy him and would smear them on my boobs and accuse him of harassment if he asked what I was doing.

One day my doctor just snapped and threatened to let me die like a fat piece of shit. I tried to jump up and punch him but twisted my ankle and had to sit down. I stopped seeing him and it wasn't until 2 years later I accepted the truth. I sent him an apology card recently.

>meanwhile in the real world
>come to doctor for advice
>ask him if this is a possibility or maybe that
>get a bunch of retardation and false information he read in some womens magazine spewed in my face
>quickly realize doctor is more clueless than i am on the subject and hes just trying to appear knowledgeable

>this has happened several times with different doctors now

Maybe you are actually good at what you do but I have not once had the fortune of meeting somebody competent.

>i'm a doctor btw

>Why do doctors get so angry with patients who are proactive in learning about their condition?
1) Most doctors are brainlets
2) They have no motivation to actually help you.

Top lad right here

i think its just the resperitions that had them concerned. my bp and rhr are both lower and no one gives a fuck

doctors don't know shit
I repeatedly run rings round them despite having only a bachelors in pharmacology and a willingness to stay up to date

the amount of times I've come with literature reviews I've wasted hours on to assauge any reasonable fears about a medication they may have and they don't even have the level of research to raise those fears in the first place and yet still turn me down out of nothing beyond arrogance

4/min? That's very low indeed

doctors are pathetic cowards with roughly the skillset of your average Indian tech support

all they do is read off NICE guidelines without any attempt to understand why or how these guidelines are in place and various reasons there may be to circumvent them

I mean when I went to ask for wellbutrin I had to explain to the doctor that the reason the guidelines didn't approve it for depression treatment was because of a spate of seizures however the seizure threshold was only lowered above 200mg and I then dropped these on his desk and then stated I could be prescribed zyban (an anti smoking drug) off label to get hold of buproprion

all I got back was a blank stare and he literally hadn't even bothered to learn why the drug wasn't licensed in the UK
and despite me clearly knowing more than him still decided that nope it wasn't happening

now I buy my wellbutrin online and it does me just great
fuck doctors the free market should handle healthcare

>asking for wellbutrin
>I literally got that shit shoved into my hands and told to fuck off while i didnt even want it
>didn't even work

The medical system is fucking weird, dude.

I dive a lot. A controlled inhale to capacity and a regular exhale is roughly 15 seconds.

Male looking for testosterone:
>Lol sorry Mr user that stuff is not good for you. Just diet and exercise and I'm sure Dr shecklestein will see improvement in your blood work

FtM tranny wanting testosterone:
>Here you are xir, would you like us to set you on autorefill for eternity?

Yeah, weird indeed.

Ironically stabbing myself with test twice a week has helped me more than the welbutrin.

Same. 250mg/week forever. $300 in juice and sharps lasts a year. So im saving tons of money and feeling better.

you american? over here its not licensed for depression and since doctors are autistic rote learning cowards deviating from their dogmatic guidelines is a horrifying idea they will not contemplate

The problem with all of your complaints is that when you go to the doctor and have spent a bunch of time "researching" on the internet, you're never sick. I get this shit every fucking day

"Doctor, I've had a sore throat for a day, it must be strep! Give me antibiotics!"

"Doctor, my teenage daughter is tired, it must be cancer, I demand extensive testing!"

"Doctor, I have this rash, what is it"

Meanwhile, the people who are actually sick show up with shit like

"I've been having a bit of trouble breathing" ended up being a heart attack requiring PCI and CABG.

"I'm really worried about my son" ended up needing an extended stay in hospital for swollen tonsils secondary to mono

"This cough isn't going away" ended up with fucking cancer

Fuck you for taking time away from the people who are actually sick when you just live a miserable life and are too far up your own arse to see that the doctor's office isn't a fucking candy store where you get to point at what you want.

Dutch, got it from a psychiatrist.

>mfw that dude was more troubled than me and kept bringing it up in every session
>here have some pills fuck off

That's weird. Every time i go to see my GP he asks me if i have any ideas on what it is and my research.

I think it genuinely helps them help you, so long as its not outlandish like constantly claiming you have cancer.

then decouple doctors from prescribing
let pharma companies sell everything OTC and people who want advice can go to doctors who will be in an advisorary role

you don't get to monopolise access to a resource then bitch when people who want access to that resource come to you

The thing about your doctor is, they are guessing almost as much as you, its extremely difficult to perfectly diagnose someone, bodies are complicated.

Don't expect your doctor to be some magical diagnosis machine, you should use your doctor to get you into doing tests which give hard scientific results which he can then use his years of training to actually analyse, alongside specialists comments, to give a much better diagnoses.

Just get as much tests done as possible.

I like the way you think.

yes let's do that what could possibly go wrong

Oh yeah, I'm British and we get dental care almost free, you only pay a small fee, i needed a dental bridge and my dentist was insisting its not on the NHS and i would have to pay £700 private to him for it. Eventually i threatened to call his head office and he agreed to do it on the NHS (As it fucking says they do on the site and pamphlets), and he did such a shitty job i now have a gigantic metal ball in my mouth.

Last time I was in an emergency room I saw this first hand.
>Dozens of niggers and spics with the sniffles
>Line moving slow as balls
>Amberlamps rolls up and wheels in a guy who was in a motorcycle accident. His left foot is backwards and he is wailing in pain
>Nurse shanequia waddles out and administers the "1-10 how bad does it hurt" test, much to his immediate disgust
>Two negro families go into their rooms while this man sits, in his wheelchair, crying in pain. They won't even give him Tylenol until he moves beyond the waiting room
>At about the 20 minute mark security is called for a disturbance. The disturbance was him finally going into shock and getting over the pain. He got himself positioned behind the nurses counter.
>At the 30 minute mark he finally gets admitted

Now, why do we even continue to help these "people" ?

My dancer and instructor ex girlfriend had a resting heart rate of like 40, doctors used to freak the fuck out.

retards kill themselves and we have less retards? oh the horror

Most of them can't even interpret the tests right.

OH WOW YOUR CREATININE IS ELEVATED YOUR KIDNEYS MUST BE FAILING

>have test levels of a 100 year old
ITS FINE ITS WITHIN RANGE OF HUMANS WE MEASURED ONCE

Wow man, that’s some high level delusion. Seek help, and reject isolation

It really depends on their individual personality. Find a good one and stick with them.

Some doctors are total arseholes with no compassion who should not be in that job. I understand they see a lot of people and a lot of the patients are also arseholes but they can't just hand wave people with serious conditions away.

I'm pretty much diabetic because my doctor refused to believe i wasn't just tired and needed more sleep.

Agreed. Motorcyclists are absolute trash. Let them scream in pain and die.

>dentists
>bong land

Nice LARP

>everyone buys antibiotics for flu until there is no sensitive microorganism in the planet
>everyone literally becoming junkies to stimulants and you can't be anybody unless you are also one
>people getting mania and being dangerous because they think they are depressed and take antidepressants
Just to name a few

Question here, my dermatologist is really great and I trust her for my skin conditions -- but I'm looking for some mole removal options and I'm not sure she's very skilled with a knife since her clientele is really just old people (she only has old people in the waiting room).

Is something like a mole removal snip so simple that any derm can do it?

>tfw when my doctor asked if I'm gay when I said I'm a virgin

We actually have better teeth than the USA because its subsidised.

However our celebrities don't make their teeth extremely fake white with fake veneers on top, so their normal healthy but discoloured and not 100% straight teeth confuse America audiences.

So user, are you sexually active?

Just ask of she can do a radial excision. There's a circular razor tool that's premarked for depth. All she has to do is inject some lidocaine, press the razor to your skin, and spin it like a top. After that she just uses a regular scalpel to cut underneath and checks to make sure she got it all. She'll give you a bandaid and that'll be it. Maybe send it off for a cancer screening if you ask her nicely.

I am Mark Rippetoe

Think of all the test and nandrolones we could buy.

fuccccc

I forgot to mention, I need like 7 moles removed and they're on my face, if it were anywhere else I'd let her hack away at them with a butcher's knife it wouldn't matter, but face is a little more delicate in my mind I guess

Ouch. Yeah you're gonna want a specialist. Especially if your skin is prone to keloid scarring. I would suggest looking into a cosmetic surgery clinic.

Sounds like a Buzzfeed fact

Oh ok, thanks m8

You've missed his point entirely.

You can learn and spout anything you want. The moment it doesn't work for a patient in the patient-doctor relationship, that doctor is subject to being fucked hard and raw legally.

Continue to run rings while not needing to pay for malpractice insurance or feed a family.

>Good goyim. Now take your (((Prozac))) and (((OxyContin))) pills to cure that mild discomfort. And bring little Johnny in for his next checkup in a month, he's almost four now so he needs to start (((Adderall))) as soon as possible!

Because medicine is business. It is not for our amusement, nor to actually help us. My biggest issue with those cocksuckers is that they won't to treat consequences and they are not interested in getting rid of causes. Two examples from my life. First one - done my blood check (test, estradiol, prolactine, lh, tsh etc. etc.), estradiol within the limits but a bit too high, prolactine as well. Asked doctor if this is main cause behind my lack of libido. She told me to contact sexuologist. I have done some research and it turns out prolactine was too high because of physical stress. I also asked her if she had read any research regarding PET bottles and BPA that causes endocrine reaction and rises levels of estrogen. She said it is bullshit and I should go to sexuologist, so he can give me cialis or some other bullshit. Second example - and this is fucking beyond me, my physician always asks how much I smoke (20-25 ciggies a week) and they always tell me something along the line "oh, it is not that bad, you don't have to worry", instead of telling me that I have to fucking quit smoking or I will die by 55.

>tl;dr - doctors want your money and they don't give a shit about your wellbeing.

This. The pharmacy Jews have this shit rigged. Your doctor can't prescribe you Viagra as a blood thinner (which is exactly what it is) because it's marketed as a penis pill. The other pill that thins your blood but also gives you cancer so you need more drugs is perfectly fine though.

Your taking there jobs!
Just trust the big pharma con and dont smoke pot.

No matter how much easier it'd make my life, people don't know enough to not Hurt themselves

kek
Chad pt vs virgin doc

That's not your concern. Same argument with heroin and meth addicts. Let them die.

anyone with an actual scientific mindset and a love of the subject wouldn't let such things dampen an exciting experimental opportunity

also I've offered to write up waivers which they also refuse

so? that's their problem not mine