Why was sub-saharan Africa incapable of creating any civilization or culture of...

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Why was sub-saharan Africa incapable of creating any civilization or culture of great value?

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en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_and_technology_in_Africa
zmescience.com/science/climate-change-african-soil-17062016/
jstor.org/stable/3601889?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

eGremlin
eGremlin

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PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Mali Songhai Ghana tichitt settlements djenno kumbi Saleh great Zimbabwe Swahili coast Benin Asante Yoruba etc

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Nojokur
Nojokur

Because thousand years of colonialism ruined their social structure.

Illusionz
Illusionz

mobile.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/books/when-timbuktu-was-the-paris-of-islamic-intellectuals-in-africa.html

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

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Dreamworx
Dreamworx

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Need_TLC
Need_TLC

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Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

"why didn't africa" thread
Ebin

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Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

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Lunatick
Lunatick

Malaria.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

what has come out of them that is absolutely essential to how we live today?

Spamalot
Spamalot

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askme
askme

They were isolated from the rest of the barderd some trade

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

The gold from Mali funded the the renaissance

TreeEater
TreeEater

Also the dosen't mean they we're great what thing did Incas create that was essential?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

right, but
what has come out of them that is at least useful?

Isolated
I thought they were connected to the Islamic world?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

no, wealthy Italian patrons with silver from the Austrian mountains funded the Renaissance.
Also half the Renaissance was a philosophical and architectural revolution that occurred in Northern Europe without the need for funding beyond petty rulers looking to outdo each other.
I don't personally believe the Incas had a civilization, at least not in the sense that they have produced anything of note or great worth beyond mere fascination.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Mali actually contributed greatly to the islamic world with the establishment of the universities in Timbuktu attracting Muslims from as far as Persia and such and africa was supplying most of the world's gold at the time

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Only the sahel and Swahili coast which were essential to the complex global trade networks

askme
askme

anything of note or great worth beyond mere fascination
Humanity as a whole never produced anything worthy of note. Name one thing that will be remembered in 10000 years. You can't.

iluvmen
iluvmen

But that's not the definition of civilization you shithead. Anthropologists already stopped using 19th century meme notions of grandioseness and nobility, only judging them if they managed to have important urban centers and centralised rule

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

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New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Benin was litteraly one massive urban center

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Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

culture of great value

WE WUZ WHATEVER AND SHEEEEIT

What a pathetic existence.

w8t4u
w8t4u

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Poker_Star
Poker_Star

didn't really really use gold in Europe as much as they used silver or bartered with heads of cattle.
It wasn't until the industrial revolution that Europe came to excel beyond everyone economically and socially.

Attracting muslims is not an achievement.
nor is it useful today.
it is the object of fascination.
but not essential to how we live today...
Africans did not invent the oceans, in fact the trade routes into Africa and around Africa were developed by non-Africans.
I think the Silk road was more valuable during the time, but either way, outdated trade routes are not a useful invention in the modern world.
Name one thing that will be remembered in 10000 years
nothing out of sub-saharan Africa that's for sure.
But I can think of a few things.
Europeans for starters will remain, keep their histories, practice Yule and know from whence it came and it's origins in the fierce and frigid boreal forests of North Eurasia.
Great men will be remembered, perhaps as deities even as was done in the past.
Indo and proto-European's have been telling and re-telling their own story for over 12,000 years.
With all our advancements it's hard to think of a scenario in which we actually wouldn't remember anything.
Gods, stories, men, monsters, great kings and heroes, tales about the origin of our people and of our technology.
no one put forth any definition of civilization.

What about high civilization though, do you think it should contain grandiose objects of opulence and splendor?
Suppose the Incas did have such things, they still did not pursue or peruse the heights that Europeans had at that time already surpassed.

Playboyize
Playboyize

....

Methnerd
Methnerd

who cares?
Did they make anything we still use today?

TreeEater
TreeEater

Name something that Latvia contributed that is essential in our daily lives. Latvia is Zimbabwe tier confirmed.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

It was a global islamic center of learning older than university in Europe

Evilember
Evilember

Mathmatics the oldest know use of math was in Africa

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

The Sahel
Three philosophical schools in Mali existed during the country's "golden age" from the 12th to the 16th centuries: University of Sankore, Sidi Yahya University, and Djinguereber University.

By the end of Mansa Musa's reign in Mali, the Sankoré University had been converted into a fully staffed University with the largest collections of books in Africa since the Library of Alexandria. The Sankoré University was capable of housing 25,000 students and had one of the largest libraries in the world with between 400,000 to 700,000 manuscripts.[5]

Timbuktu was a major center of book copying, religious groups,[6][7] the sciences, and arts.[8][9] Scholars and students came throughout world to study in its university. It attracted more foreign students than New York University.[8][10]

TechHater
TechHater

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_and_technology_in_Africa

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Europeans for starters will remain
Nice try, they will extinct in 50 years.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

wow fascinating
now is there anything from that still relevant today?
I am not Latvian so I do not care, also Latvia is not a civilization or an empire, they could be called apart of the European civilization, or really just riding on it's coat tails.
really interesting, how about something that stood the test of time and that we still use today?
I don't think Pythagoras developed his proof based upon African mathematics.

the mathematics that we use today is based upon a common theory of numbers that is European in origin. This theory was itself derived from patterns in the natural world. African mathematics is based upon basic arithmetic and never progressed further.
The two mathematical schools are distinct, one is used, the other is not.
I'm sure an African was the first to use fire, back when there were only Africans, but he never even dreamed of the combustion engine.
Maybe, but if we aren't surely we shall remain.
Though even without us, our stories will remain, so will our achievements in technology.

SniperGod
SniperGod

European in origin
Hummmm, no.

The numbers you use are Arabs, and a lot of theory come from Ancient Egypt and Arabs.

TechHater
TechHater

Retard alert

FastChef
FastChef

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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Are those from an ancient down syndrome civilization?

5mileys
5mileys

Report, ignore, and move on you stupid fucks

Anyone who measures civilization by how many of their inventions we currently use today is either retarded or a troll.

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Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Bait

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Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

What from Mesopotamia do we still use today

farquit
farquit

The wheel, agriculture, etc.

5mileys
5mileys

Agriculture was already in Europe, the wheel evelolved independently in Neolithic Europe and the spooked wheel in the Eurasian steppes

cum2soon
cum2soon

So Europeans didn't developed agriculture? Also africans didn't get agriculture from Mesopotamia niether did Asians or the Amerindians

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Poker_Star
Poker_Star

The one about africa is in accurate they started farming and pastoral living around 4000 B.C

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

It doesn't have to do with if we use it today or not. It has to do with it not being stone age level shit.

TreeEater
TreeEater

what is Ethiopia
what is Mali

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Why was OP incapable of creating any thread or discussion of great value?

Skullbone
Skullbone

Time imtervals of 60

Firespawn
Firespawn

Africans weren't in the stone age they had wide spread usage of iron

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SniperWish
SniperWish

shit

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RumChicken
RumChicken

The Sahel
Three philosophical schools in Mali existed during the country's "golden age" from the 12th to the 16th centuries: University of Sankore, Sidi Yahya University, and Djinguereber University.

By the end of Mansa Musa's reign in Mali, the Sankoré University had been converted into a fully staffed University with the largest collections of books in Africa since the Library of Alexandria. The Sankoré University was capable of housing 25,000 students and had one of the largest libraries in the world with between 400,000 to 700,000 manuscripts.[5]

Timbuktu was a major center of book copying, religious groups,[6][7] the sciences, and arts.[8][9] Scholars and students came throughout world to study in its university. It attracted more foreign students than New York University.[8][10

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

In the area of present day Uganda, Caesarean sections were performed with a very high level of success.

In the 18th C, a slave named Onesimus introduced a small pox inoculation technique to Boston.

In the mid-nineteenth century, William Clarke, an English visitor to Nigeria, remarked that: “As good an article of cloth can be woven by the Yoruba weavers as by any people . . . in durability, their cloths far excel the prints and home-spuns of Manchester.”

Three widely used medicines in the United States aspirin, Kaopectate, and reserpine have one thing in common. The active ingredients in all of them are found in plants in Africa: the bark of Salix capensis in aspirin, kaolin in Kaopectate, and rauwolfia in reserpine. Africans used all of these plants for treatment before the coming of the Europeans, and they still do (Finch, 1991).

zmescience.com/science/climate-change-african-soil-17062016/

www.afrigeneas.com/slavedata/Paper-LSU-1492-1992.html

jstor.org/stable/3601889?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Ethiopians, particularly the Oromo people, were the first to have discovered and recognized the energizing effect of the coffee bean plant

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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

it's a /leftypol/ false flag thread

Their tactics are evolving. Fuck off /leftypol/, now and forever.

Methshot
Methshot

Why do you want to make everything politic? People are just discussing history, that they believe this or that doesn't make them "pol" or "leftypol"

Flameblow
Flameblow

Please, don't make bold statements.

WebTool
WebTool

Do fuck off. There are daily WE WUZ front page threads. This is organized and we know who's behind it.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

If you're getting so triggered maybe you should leave. Veeky Forums isn't your safe space user

eGremlin
eGremlin

Yeah, why didn't they pull marble and limestone out of their ass? What a terrible civilisation, we all know building materials are the true mark of a society's complexity and not merely the result of whatever materials happen to be nearby.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Why didn't it, tho?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

At least you're getting BTFO every time by honest anons, like in that Benin thread yesterday

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

what of the thousands of years of no colonialism? while Europe developed, the negro wallowed in his own filth.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I don't know, but for me saying that there is human sacrifice is not "BTFO", it's just a dishonest technique to downplay a society.

5mileys
5mileys

everyone who disagrees with me is the same person
KEK

askme
askme

Interesting, thank you.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Whereas posting drawings of afri-kangz when we have actual photos of them is very honest.

Techpill
Techpill

You mean that sperg who keeps on posting the same shit about human sacrifice in a pagan civilization while trying to play apologetics for Aztecs and mayan sacrifice

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

The photos of random parts of Benin after it was destroyed

Flameblow
Flameblow

Those photos were radom peasants and their homes

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

No not really posting radom parts of the outskirts doesn't really BTFO anything

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Bamum in Cameroon are drawings?
Akan houses are drawings?
Hausa architecture are drawings?
Ile-Ife heads are drawings?
Swords are drawings?
Igbo-Ukwu are drawings?

Lunatick
Lunatick

Benin bronzes are drawings?
Ife heads are drawings?
Potsherd roads are drawings?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Yep just drawings

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farquit
farquit

Mali is just drawings?
Tichitt settlements are just drawings
Actual historical accounts are just drawings?

viagrandad
viagrandad

Wow, the kangz are wearing fabric. Is that supposed to be impressive?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

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Playboyize
Playboyize

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TreeEater
TreeEater

So all the things backed with historical accounts and archological evidence is false because you don't like it?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

People have incredible drawing skills nowadays.

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Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Spamming about human sacrifice and public exicution isn't BTFOing anything

viagrandad
viagrandad

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Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Yep nothing but drawings

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Evilember
Evilember

You can post every Afrikang artifact you find, it still doesn't add up to 0.1% of Rome's greatness.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Never said it did your one trying turn everything into a pissing contest to compensate for your lack of accomplishments and utter failure at life

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