Why is south america so uninteresting and irrelevant? Fucking australia is more...

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

does literally nothing of note for its entire existence
Why is south america so uninteresting and irrelevant? Fucking australia is more globally relevant then this entire continent

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Nojokur
Nojokur

Unfortunate M*xican influence.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Apocalypso is a great movie

Spamalot
Spamalot

They got spooked by communism and wasted all their time murdering civilians, trashing institutions and selling valuable assets to foreigners to prove how not-communist they were. Sure was worth it.

happy_sad
happy_sad

we gave micks their more profitable export and subsequent booster of population growth

Lunatick
Lunatick

The potato is a big reason europeans became the empires they did. Show some gratitude ffs.

Emberfire
Emberfire

south america
uninteresting

American for sure.

RumChicken
RumChicken

And once a country there embraced communism it became an African tier shithole

DeathDog
DeathDog

Their failure to fully eliminate the native societies was essentially the biggest cause for their failure. Latin America used something analogous to the Indian caste system for labor, and this came back to bite them in the ass because now you have societies stuck between several cultural identities. A lot of North Americans and Europeans really don't get the extent to which the South American and Mexican indigenous people are still present. I would really recommend you look up the Yucatan caste war and the Chiapas - Mexico has a full state of autonomous Mayan communities forming essentially its own state as a result of a settlement with the Neozapatistas from a civil war in the NINETIES.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

The Andes are, the rest I agree

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Don't bother, leftypol doesn't care about reality

Nojokur
Nojokur

Ummm sweetie, the whole continent is called America, not just los estados unidos

King_Martha
King_Martha

what is the pacific war
what are the independence wars
what is the war of the triple alliance
what is the wierd paraguayan incatard dictatorship that preceded solano lopez dynasty's regime
what is empire of brazil
what is the chaco wars

Inmate
Inmate

to add further
who are pedro i and ii
who is getulio vargas
who is juan manuel de rosas, dicator of argentina for 25 years
what is argentina's miraculous growth period
what is chiles and argentina's solid records as parliamentary democracies (of course those failed eventually)
what is colombian drug trafficking

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Paraguay is one of the most under-studied nations on earth, it was like the whole place was a weird experiment.

5mileys
5mileys

The caste systems were implanted by Euros though, and you're talking about Mexico only.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

He's unironically arguing that latin americans would be more wealthy and relevant if they had murdered more poor farmers, he's not very bright.

Soft_member
Soft_member

no, my argument is that if they were either fully Spanish or fully Native they would be more successful

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Agreed. And so it´s the other Guay too but a different kind of experiment.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

???

A bunch of worthless villages in the middle of shitty nowhere
A state
Hahahaha. The army could have ended the uprising with ease by killing all the rebels, but international pressure forced the government to give them 'autonomy'. It was hardly a Civil War or a significant uprising at all, it only became relevant thanks to the media; you might be thinking of Colombia's FARC.

Giving a flying fuck about Pooraguay.
Their only claim to relevance is getting BTFO by their neighbours.

farquit
farquit

But this doesn't apply to most of the caribbean and the southern cone. Just for mexico and central america

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Hahahaha. The army could have ended the uprising with ease by killing all the rebels, but international pressure forced the government to give them 'autonomy'.
I'm not praising them or anything, I think they're fucking retards, but they exist and they're an interesting anomaly. I'm sure they COULD have wiped them out but the fact remains that Mexico lost control of a region in their own country to wack Mayan communists

the Caribbean
they're not on OPs map and aren't 'South America' so I wasn't talking about them
the southern cone
If you include Paraguay they absolutely suffered from their demographic mismanagement and Chile has an extensive indigenous population, the Mapuche were never even conquered until the 1860's

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Mexico lost control of a region
not really, it worked out as something similar to indian reservations in the US and lots of tourism

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

The army could have ended the uprising with ease
Then why was the uprising's existence so traumatising to demand its immediate destruction? What was it a threat to?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

???
South America has the great misfortune to share some geography, a cultural ambience, and a language with the absolute dungheap that is M*xico. Like most of the rest of the world, simple proximity with the Eternal Bean has mentally, spiritually, and even physically stunted them, but as their proximity is greater, the effect is more pronounced, leading to an entire continent of worthlessness.

Snarelure
Snarelure

The government was paranoid as fuck of communist uprisings since the 60s (one of the reasons behind the Tlatelolco massacre) and the army was angry as fuck for the soldiers killed at the start of the 'rebellion'. Also, it was close to two very important events , NAFTA and national elections.

Where are you from? Argentina or one of the 'nations' of Central America?

RavySnake
RavySnake

Where are you from? Argentina or one of the 'nations' of Central America?
I'm from the Ukraine originally, although I now live in the United States.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

100% European American reporting, you're just historically illiterate.
Spanish Conquest of the Aztec Empire, Paraguayan war, Chaco war, just to name three.
South America is pretty rich in history and honestly even though I have 0 ties to it I find it more interesting than most corners of Europe.

The Paraguayan war honestly compares to America's Civil war and that's high praise coming from me. The Conquest of the Aztec Empire is like a 16th century WWII with various Allies working together with a lesser enemy to topple a violent regime.

Not to mention the various cannibal tribes that existed well into the '70s, the Boer migrations among other things.

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Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Oh, so american propaganda got you, Quite sad tbqh.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Mundus Millenialis is not propaganda, certainly not American propaganda.

King_Martha
King_Martha

What with the lack of deadly wars in XX century South America? Africa, Europe, Asia... They all got their share of bloodshed.

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SniperWish
SniperWish

uninteresting and irrelevant
Implying this is a bad thing
If the entire world was like this there would be peace

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Right wing dictatorships, sponsored by the USA, were too busy killing their own people to engage into war.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Some countries in South America have historical golden ages worth knowing.

Empire of Brazil (1822 - 1889) or just the Second Reign (1840 - 1889)
Argentina (1860s - 1930)
Ecuador under García Moreno
Venezuela under Pérez Jimenez

There are exceptions.

Colombian Civil War (one of the deadliest in South America)
Peruvian conflict (similar to above, but less known)
Chaco War
Falklands War

In the twentieth century, the boundaries between South American countries were well defined. The internal conflicts of these countries discouraged international wars. There were quasi-war moments, though. Such as the Argentinian invasion of Chile or the Brazilian war against France to annex Guyana.

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Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

What you said is not true. These dictatorships existed mostly in the 60s and 70s. Argentina and Chile nearly entered in war against each other. Chile and Peru too in the 70s. And Brazil came close to invading Uruguay.

SniperWish
SniperWish

i live there, don't come here this a shithole nothing interesting, not like Mexico but is trash, our history lessons are the same in each year of the school, the triple alliance war and the chaco war, and we don't learn nothing worth knowing, more than our leader was a fucking warmonger who decided to go full autistic and declared war on 2 different nations more than triple in size just to be betrayed later by the guy he tried to help

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

i learn all about ww1 and ww2 by myself, we learned a little about ww1, not even October revolution, we never even get lessons of what the fuck happened in ww2, this happens in all American countries education is trash you don't learn shit

Result is that nothing worth giving a shit will happen on this side of the continent so nuke us pls desu

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Methshot
Methshot

It is true, the US has a history of fucking over the rest of the continent, specially in that time they could get away with pretty much anything, that's when they learned the best torture methods. US is worse than Hitler, but they need a meme villain

Flameblow
Flameblow

Not violent enough and the US keeps them in line.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

latin americans would be more wealthy and relevant if they had murdered more poor farmers
This is unironically true. The Anglos genocided the shit out of the natives and their colonies are much more successful.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Colombia had it coming

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FastChef
FastChef

this, there would have been no world wars if not for potato

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Maybe fully native or fully spanish would've done better than mixed, but there are examples of countries with a mix that were well on their way to development and then came the US and fucked everything up, normally using the excuse of communism so that they could keep having slaves in those countries and exporting stuff from those countries without paying any taxes

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Reliance on colonial masters for defense and economic prosperity
Hardly any resources to become a powerhouse industrial economy
Small population
Unstable governments
Basically left on their own to modernize after independence
Very little European involvement after independence because why would Europeans care about backwaters full of Catholic Amerindians
Constant US involvement even if it was to the detriment of South America
Ran by incompetent, unstable, and declining colonial powers for 300 years who didn't really give a fuck about improving their colonies since they had to focus on even bigger issues than a few angry Latinos

Try recovering from that. The US really had it on easy mode when you take a step back and realize just how fucked South America was once it broke away from Spain and Portugal.

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w8t4u
w8t4u

argentina used to be the richest country in the world
they through it all away with populism
Latin Americans are complete shit when it comes to choosing politicians.

Inmate
Inmate

If FDR went through with his court packing plan, the US would be in the same place.

whereismyname
whereismyname

If the Hispanics had unified into a couple of strong countries instead of dozens of autistic and irrelevant micro-states, they’d have been players.

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lostmypassword
lostmypassword

That is one of the most ignorant and stupid maps I have ever seen, fuck off back to R*ddit and/or your paradox map painting simulator

RumChicken
RumChicken

I tend to say the we're the conserva-guay. or the texas of south america. the stuff that goes on here politically to this day is ridiculous

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

aprende del internet temboto. Se el cambio que queres ver en el pais

Inmate
Inmate

Americans probably care more about that region than Europe.

Inmate
Inmate

Statistically those right wing dictators have killed less of their own citizens than actually "free" democracies or communist ones

Chile has an extensive indigenous population, the Mapuche were never even conquered until the 1860's

Hear. The Mapuche were extremely good warriors, certainly better than any of the natives in the US at guerrilla warfare, and the Chileans' success in war is entirely born from the continuous experience in the 19th century, fighting the Spanish, then the first Peru-Bolivia confederation and the Mapuche pseudo state forming in the south. I think that the fact Chile never fully integrated them until way after the fact is a huge factor in it's success.

Techpill
Techpill

underrated

Skullbone
Skullbone

what was Gran Colombia

Booteefool
Booteefool

Pooraguay
Not worse than Mexico in every way
Pfft, keep dreaming, Lozano; hasta la basura se separa.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I don't know much about South American countries but I'm pretty sure Venezuela and Argentina wouldn't work out. Also, why give Suriname and the Guyanas to Brazil? Is it a token to compensate for its loneliness in the continent?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Australia is a whole continent as well

girlDog
girlDog

Argentina was basically a small Spanish-speaking USA, one of the wealthiest economies. Certainly more relevant than Australia historically. Just because they didn't take part in the World Wars and this board is obsessed with them doesn't mean it wasn't influential.

In the 1920s your typical UK businessman was more interested in what happened in Argentina than in Australia. There was more British capital invested there.

Italian or German emigrants were debating whether to go to Buenos Aires or New York.

The two most influential music styles of the 1920s dancing craze that swept Europe were the Charleston and the Tango.

Biggest exporter of beef and wheat, numerous discoveries on medicine, first commercial radio station, first animated feature films, the ballpoint pen, etc.

And Brazil has always been an economic behemoth owing to its huge population and resources. In the 19th century the Brazilian Empire was extremely influential in European diplomacy.

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WebTool
WebTool

based spic dropping the real redpills

whereismyname
whereismyname

Countries such as? Are they just ones in Latin America, or do you mean ones all over the planet?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

argies are not real hispanics they are wypipo mass murderers that stole their land and genocided the natives and the blacks

real hispanics are the brown folk with native blood running through their veins we are the real owners of the americas

all wypipo need to get their fucking pale asses back to yurop

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whereismyname
whereismyname

Movie about Mayan Collapse
Ends with Spanish landing in the Americas

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

More like spanish speaking australia. And face it, we are pretty much irrelevant, economically unimportant (and often isolated) pretty much since the mid 20th century.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Neither do you

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

they are wypipo mass murderers that stole their land and genocided the natives and the blacks
And thank God for that, look how much better their country is than the rest of that fucking continent for it

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

*blocks your path*

why haven't you impregnated a qt native user?

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Spamalot
Spamalot

Damned if you do, dammed if you don't

Illusionz
Illusionz

Did nothing of note

It (the Andes in particular) is one of only a few places on the planet to independently invent civilization, urban cities, state governments, etc. If the Spanish hadn't burned all their records and demolished their cities, you'd get taught about them as much as you do other cradles of civilization and ancient cultures in school and would be as known in popular media.

The Spanish fucking the place up, dieases killing 95% of all people, and then that enabling corruption and exploitation for centuries has kept the place shit. Murica couping everythiing back in the 60's/70's didn't help.

Mexico/Guatamala
South american

You aren't wrong but they wouldn't be in that position to begin with without colionalism. Or at least the Andes wouldn't: The Amazonian nations and the most northern/southern ones might be as bad off still.

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RavySnake
RavySnake

apocalypto
mesoamericans were superior to europeans in everything including human sacrifice
Only western cucks don't reach this conclusion.

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takes2long
takes2long

Amazonians would get forced by incans to adopt intensive agriculture with terra preta as they invade them and settle around the mountain rivers.

You see, incans forced their entire empire to adopt bronze metalworking, use quipus and the workforce based taxes. Cusco would probably be the main path to reach the amazonian settlements between Brazil and Peru.

FastChef
FastChef

Bad for genociding natives and blacks
Hmmmm I don't think so

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

replacing superior beings with eurangutan subhumans
not bad
Hmm...?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Look everyone I have a communal farming group
Nevermind I don't produce anything more than it takes for me to survive, I'm a real south American
Mhmmmm

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girlDog
girlDog

incas are communal

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Supergrass
Supergrass

US has a history of fucking over the rest of the continent

America’s biggest disservice to the rest of the New World was opting for relative isolationism instead of imperializing the shit out of it.

Booteefool
Booteefool

I'm personally disinterested in [thing] so [thing] should be excluded from any and all public discourse

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MPmaster
MPmaster

USA's biggest disservice to the rest of the World is existing.

Methshot
Methshot

Yes, God forbid they create more Canals and Hawaii’s.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

certainly better than any of the natives in the US at guerrilla warfare
tbf the natives in NA were on economically precious land over a geographically expansive area and were overwhelmed by a rapidly multiplying white population. Mapuches were cool though

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Implying the French/English wouldn't create the Panama canal without taking 'Panama' from Colombia.
Fuck off, amerilard

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Very little European involvement after independence
not true. there was shit ton of british capital tied up in South America
Constant US involvement
categorically false. US "involvement" was limited to central america and the caribbean, and even that wasn't serious until the late 19th century. Real US intervention in South America isn't until the 1960s at earliest. Until then it was, again, confined almost entirely to bullying central american and caribbean countries.
Ran by incompetent, unstable, and declining colonial powers for 300 years
what are the bourbon reforms
what are pombal's reforms

Small population
some states had larger populations than US at independence if i'm not mistaken
Reliance on colonial masters for defense and economic prosperity
there was almost no direct military intervention in SA that I can think of past the Napoleonic Wars besides SA countries fighting each other.
Hardly any resources to become a powerhouse industrial economy
you don't need resources necessarily to industrialize if you can trade for them. even so SA has shit ton of valuable commodities e.g. agricultural products from brazil and argentina, copper and phosphate from chile, guano (historically) and minerals from peru

tl;dr you might be right that SA has been a historic backwater but it's NOT for the reasons you claim.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Bourbon reforms
Not incompetent

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Not incompetent
explain. I'd argue that they had mixed results, but on the whole were a good step.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Jesuits get BTFO, so indians lose one of their only real protectors
'Alcaldes Mayores' get BTFO too, so internal administration and commerce gets even more shitty and inefficient.
And that's only the tip of the iceberg.

King_Martha
King_Martha

And that's only the tip of the iceberg.
I mean, the Jesuits got expelled for political reasons moreso than reform reasons, so I'm not sure if I'd include that as part of the reform program (though it was arguably bad policy).
'Alcaldes Mayores'
Didn't the appoint new types of officials though, the corregidors or something like that?

SniperWish
SniperWish

Most corregidores got eliminated too; they were replaced by a few Superintendentes & Intendentes*, centralizing administration is only a good idea to a certain degree; the spaniards never fucking understood that.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Intendentes
yeah that's the official i was thinking of

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

You'd be surprised at how culturally influential we are in some respects not just in South America but also in Continental Europe, Israel, Russia, Japan... all those shitty Cris Morena teen TV shows (Erreway, Patito Feo, Casi Angeles, Violetta, etc) apparently have an insane following overseas.

When I was in Greece many schoolgirls had Patito Feo ("Patty") backpacks, it was pretty surreal.

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Methshot
Methshot

Incas are representative of all native Americans everywhere
That's not what native populations want now
See Mexico's 1917 constitution, when you give natives the land they want they don't produce shit with it

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Implying the French didn't try

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Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

see mexico's
Amerindians have more civilization potential.

Replacing them with eurangutan subhumans was the worst event in all history.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

South American wars of independence and Simon Bolivar was fairly interesting.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Motherfucker, you were the ones that started that shit? fucking narizones.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Too low demographic density to really care about clay (Colombia even gave Perú thousands of km of clay in the amazon AFTER they lost a war in the 1930s), and the countries in the continent didn't have the resources to have big standing armies, so most of the conflicts in SA were relatively mild (aside from the carnage that was the war of the triple alliance).

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Besides the bunch of wars already mentioned there's also these forgotten interesting moments.
The Platine War is an example of that.
be argentina
1851
now a confederation under Juan Manuel de Rosas
caudillo that wanted to reform La plata
start forming a army for his expansionist plans
the rest of the platine was fucked as hell as well, civil war in uruguay and decapitation of civilians everywhere
brazil supported the colorado party while argentina supported the blancos under Manuel Oribe
civil war in uruguay start spreading to south brazil, little skirmishes here and there
war
a brazilian alliance is formed
"south america's great liberator army"
formed by brazil, Rosa's opossition, the colorados and some rogue argentinian provinces
help from a "French legion" composed of frenchs living in Uruguay and Garibaldi's italian legion
still brazil was the backbone of the alliance and the one to decide the war
after less than six months the brazilian army marched into Buenos Aires
just some days before the argentinians would celebrate their past victory over brazil in the Battle of Ituzaingó, during the cisplatine war
The argentinians felt like shit, Rosas took years to form an army he thought was able to fulfill his plans but it was still a small threat to brazil.
If weren't for the falklands the argentinians would still remember this shit nowadays
I mean, they showed less fight than fucking paraguay.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

That isn't counted as a national defeat because we were in the middle of a civil war. Rosas did not control most of the country.

We did beat you to a stalemate in the Cisplatine War when the country was unified, with 1/5th of your population.

whereismyname
whereismyname

I love the war of the triple alliance

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

That isn't counted as a national defeat because we were in the middle of a civil war. Rosas did not control most of the country.
Cry more.

girlDog
girlDog

I'm just explaining to you. You beat Buenos Aires province with the help of the rest of the Argentine Confederation, it wasn't a war against "Argentina".

Otherwise you would have annexed territory, no? Argentine historiography remembers it as a positive event. It is taught, as part of the Civil Wars that led to the unification of the country and the adoption of the Constitution.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

we were in the middle of a civil war
That's curious, I didn't know about that detail
How is the war seen in argentina nowadays? never heard anybody speak about it on Veeky Forums

Also, the cisplatine war was a huge mess.
Really, no one won in that shit.
Argentina was under a blockage during pretty much the whole conflict, the navy was gone by that time.
Meanwhile we lost a bunch of land battles, the argentineans were more experienced after all.
It's a by all means

Also, I couldn't care less if it was a defeat or not but the way I see is that when Buenos Aires had power over most of the confederation provinces, it's an Argentinean defeat, the confederation were the government that ruled at the time.
Also there's no reason to annex territory because having a friendly government were a far better option, like how it happened with Uruguay and it's not like we had interest in any part of the argentinian territory, we didn't even border you by the time.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Because it was colonized by people who were irrelevant in world affairs by the time they became independent.

The US was the only free autonomous nation in the new world who was involved in either world war to any significant degree or exerted influence outside their continent. South American countries fighting other South American countries doesn’t interest anyone outside South America because they’ve never offered the world a reason to care.

idontknow
idontknow

There are literally no mixed countries that were well off or on they way to getting anywhere close to ok. But I'll bite, please list these examples of yours

Methnerd
Methnerd

you are right, mixed race countries like the united states of mutts are trash
only pure yuro and asian countries are interesting and successful

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Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Because the only natives left in Mexico after the conquest were nomadic tribes.

Mexico and Gutamala was almost entirely filled with urban civilizations and proper political states prior to the conquest, but those were all the groups that got super fucked by dieases and got conquerred. The only places that maintained an actual notable indignious population were the pockets of tribes in super rural bumfuck nowhere areas

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Flameblow
Flameblow

Hawaii, Singapore, Hong Kong, Texas, Chile.

TechHater
TechHater

That's curious, I didn't know about that detail
How is the war seen in argentina nowadays? never heard anybody speak about it on Veeky Forums
Well, it is usually taught in high school in the context of the Civil Wars period. The traditional "Conservative/Liberal" historiography considers it a positive event because it led to the unification of the country and the adoption of the Constitution, which allowed the mass immigration of yuros and the free trade agro-export boom starting in the 1880s.

Revisionist historians (Ultra Nationalists or Leftists) consider the overthrow of Rosas to be bad event because they are massive Rosasboos and see Rosas as a sort of national hero that defended national sovereignity against the Feench and British in Vuelta de Obligado, and consider his protectionist policies as a good thing.

But IMHO, Rosas was a shitty dictator and I doubt it it would have led to anything good if he had prevailed. That's the traditional interpretation which I happen to agree with.

Also, the cisplatine war was a huge mess.
It really was.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Also, I couldn't care less if it was a defeat or not but the way I see is that when Buenos Aires had power over most of the confederation provinces
Only nominally. At the time all provinces were ruled by "caudillos", basically local leaders with provincial armies. Rosas only controlled Buenos Aires province directly, and had been given provisional authority to negotiate foreign treaties and represent the other provinces overseas.

This is why I said it was a "Buenos Aires defeat" and not national. The only troops whi actually fought on Rosas' side were the provincial troops under his direct command. The provinces of Corrientes, Entre Rios and Santa Fe fought against him, and his "allies" in the other provinces either refused to take sides or send troops at his direst hour, choosing their own political survival over Rosas.

Anyway, the reason for Rosas' overthrow in short: There were numerous treaties signed between Argentine provinces to call for a Constitutional Convention to get the Constitution signed, but Rosas kept postponing it because in practice it meant national elections and Buenos Aires losing many of its powers as the country became Federalized. Rosas was a "Federalist", but in name only. As long as the Constitution was not signed, Buenos Aires did not have to hand over its lucrative port revenues to a national authority.

By the time of the Platine War, many of his provincial allies had rebelled against him, foremost among them Urquiza, governor of Entre Rios, who would fight alongside Corrientes and Brazil to overthrow Rosas and became President finally fulfilled the pledge of calling for a Constitutional Convention and getting the Constitution signed.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Also there's no reason to annex territory
That's true. Overthrowing Rosas stopped Argentina's ambition to reunify the Viceroyalty of the River Plate, it died with him. But it's also true that annexing territory would have led to open rebellion of the other provinces including Brazil's Argentine allies, and then Brazil truly would have become mired in fighting the whole of Argentina.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Wrong and see . 100 years ago people in the US believed Wops and Paddies would bring a downfall to American society, and only Northern Europeans could properly integrate in the US.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Single handedly deflated Iberia as a superpower allowing for Anglo hegemony.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

oh they were 'integrated' alright
along with all sorts of africans, antarticans, jews and greasy american 'cheese'

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farquit
farquit

Okay man, whatever you need to tell yourself to help you believe Europe will ever be a relevant central of power again.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

implying china and europe arent more relevant then mutts now and will continue to be so, with even india being more relevant in a few years

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eGremlin
eGremlin

Rosas as a sort of national hero
So, like Lopez is seen in Paraguay?
First the nationalist paraguayans tried creating the imagine of Lopez as the national hero they didn't have
And then the commies took the idea and saw him as someone fighting british imperialism
The worst part is that these kind of things are highly accepted, it stopped being something exclusive to revisionists and became the traditional history.

I see, always thought it was like "everybody but some few provinces went with Rosas", that explains it.

Also, pic related.
Those are truly some strange folks

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Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Nobody knows about Paraguay because Brazil simply destroyed the place, they went full genocide on them and nobody hears about Paraguay since then.

The Brazilian empire was pretty fucking power hungry.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

115 posts
no mention of Gran Columbia
Im disappointed Veeky Forums

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Emberfire
Emberfire

Meme country
Relevant

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Amazonians invented terra preta though. It's 1600 years old.

Emberfire
Emberfire

That's true. I meant, once incans invaded and ruled amazonian agrarian settlements, they would enforce an intensive project of river-population agrarian expansion. Incans exploited local knowledge for their expansionist purposes. Most amazonians would be talking quechua dialects nowadays, and there would have been amazonian urbanization once the amazonian population boomed.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

How so?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobster_War

happy_sad
happy_sad

stupid kiaposter

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Leave me alonea and let me post best moonflower

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cum2soon
cum2soon

I dont know why but for a second i confused de purepech with the tehuelche and was thinking why the mexicans cared about the purepecha, interest to see how close they are, but you can see a lot of difference between natives, its more obvious when compering the andeans and the mesoamericans, but even among north americans indians there was a lot of difference

Evilember
Evilember

So, like Lopez is seen in Paraguay?
First the nationalist paraguayans tried creating the imagine of Lopez as the national hero they didn't have
And then the commies took the idea and saw him as someone fighting british imperialism
It's exactly like that. He was even featured on our older $20 banknotes. (Now being phased out and replaced with animals)

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New_Cliche
New_Cliche

i really liked the old banknotes though...

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

The new $500 one is gorgerous, but the others are pure cancer. The new $20 is particularly hideous.

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Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

* gorgeous

I think staring at a screen so much and typing so fast is giving me dyslexia

King_Martha
King_Martha

look at this fucker

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Bidwell
Bidwell

Yeah, never quite got that "add plushy versions of the animals" thing. It doesn't really belong there. But I can overlook that.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

South America hasnt produced any culture thats relevant except for food. And the only place that had any cultural impact was Argentina which was also majority "white" and even then tango and etc was a 90s thing that nobody gives a fuck about anymore.

Techpill
Techpill

I hate the idea of putting animals and nature instead of humans and buildings in there. It looks like jungle money.
And I'm pretty big on environmentalism.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

what is latin american literature

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