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eGremlin
eGremlin

The romans weren't nordi..
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whereismyname
whereismyname

The people who say the Romans weren't Nords are just butthurt Arab rape babies, pay them no attention. Everything we know about the Roman Emperors proves most of them were closer to modern Nords than morern Meddis

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

WE

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Those two don't even look alike

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

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happy_sad
happy_sad

Mediterraneans had facial structure similar to their statues though and most of those statues when they were painted depicted them with brown hair, somewhere around dark to light eyes, and a peach or tanned complexion.

I won't say that there aren't similar qualities between nords and the original medis but it's hard to tell if Italians or Greeks are really the original people now either.

5mileys
5mileys

t.

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idontknow
idontknow

AYO
*invades Gaul*
SO YOU
*gets defeated by Caesar at Vosges*
SO SO
*slaughters Romans at Teutoburg*
SO YOU
*kills a Roman Emperor*
SO YOU BEEN SAYIN
*migrates around like a bunch of mudslimes*
THAT WE
*kills another Roman Emperor*
THAT WE
*sacks Rome and destroys the Western Roman Empire*
THAT WE
*calls self the >H >R >E*
WE WUZ
*kills self in a civil war*
ROMANS
*destroys self again in two world wars*
N SHIETTT????

likme
likme

I wouldn't say most. Augustus is always portrayed as have blonde hair and blue eyes, Julius is portrayed as having blonde hair and grey eyes. A lot more emperor's are portrayed the same. My point isn't exactly that the ancient Meds were Nords but they're certainly closer to modern Nords than modern Meds. There have been too many African and Arab invasions over time, it's had a big impact on the Med populations.

Playboyize
Playboyize

t.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Julius is portrayed as having blonde hair and grey eyes
You mean Caesar? He was described by Svetonius as having dark hair

Snarelure
Snarelure

This fucking thread again

Firespawn
Firespawn

Have you ever seen people irl?

Flameblow
Flameblow

I actually have Nordic and Anglo ancestry, I don't have any Med ancestry. It's just a ridiculous WE WUZery to claim the Romans were Nordic.
Of course, this is all just a LARP thread and I had fun making that WE post so I'll leave it at that

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Romans had both nordic and med ancestry. IE was nordic.

RumChicken
RumChicken

That guy on the left looks like a bitch.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Ie
Nordic

Your shit Scandinavian Nordic languages are no older than 500BC.

DeathDog
DeathDog

They weren't Nordic but they were closer to modern Nords than modern Meds

FastChef
FastChef

always
Paint analysis shows he was depicted with brown hair and eyes and a ruddy, tanned complexion.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Republic and East Roman Empire were Meds.

The Germans were responsible for the Decadent West.

End of Line.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Augustus is always portrayed
Not a single of his portrait survived. He is described as having subflavium hair ("yellowish") and bright eyes. And also hooked nose, complexion between fair and dark. He was apparently also rather small and had small bad teeth.

There have been too many African and Arab invasions over time, it's had a big impact on the Med populations
You have no idea what you're talking about.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

t.

whereismyname
whereismyname

WE

Nojokur
Nojokur

They were probably even more Anatolian/Greek-like than modern Italians.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Why does Veeky Forums always take the bait?

Lunatick
Lunatick

Wow, both have faces that can be seen sideways...

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

t.

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MPmaster
MPmaster

thought the Italian rape baby meme wasn't true
get my Dad's DNA tested
8% arab
9% Israeli

JUST

GRANDMA WHY DID YOU HAVE TO HAVE DIRTY SICILIAN GENETICS

Soft_member
Soft_member

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Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Because everyone here is underage

5mileys
5mileys

Nordcucks have small eyes and small snub noses. Roman statues have big eyes and big noses.

idontknow
idontknow

...c

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

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Methshot
Methshot

Augustus was a fucking unibrow.

He had clear, bright eyes ... His teeth were wide apart, small, and ill-kept; his hair was slightly curly and inclined to golden; his eyebrows met. His ears were of moderate size, and his nose projected a little at the top and then bent ever so slightly inward. His complexion was between dark and fair. He was short of stature

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Sicilians aren't Italian, dumb Amerimutt

SniperGod
SniperGod

LMAO

He just keeps getting worse and worse.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

He had clear, bright eyes, in which he liked to have it thought that there was a kind of divine power, and it greatly pleased him, whenever he looked keenly at anyone, if he let his face fall as if before the radiance of the sun; but in his old age he could not see very well with his left eye. His teeth were wide apart, small, and ill-kept; his hair was slightly curly and inclining to golden; his eyebrows met. His ears were of moderate size, and his nose projected a little at the top and then bent slightly inward.110 His complexion was between dark and fair. He was short of stature (although Julius Marathus, his freedman and keeper of his records, says that he was five feet and nine inches in height),111 but this was concealed by the fine proportion and symmetry of his figure, and was p247 noticeable only by comparison with some taller person standing beside him.

his shoes somewhat high-soled, to make him look taller than he really was.
This alone proves that the keeper of his records was full of shit because Augustus clearly had a complex regarding his height. Apparently he was small even for a Roman.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

all dat curly brown nordic hair
that swarthy nordic skin

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StonedTime
StonedTime

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FastChef
FastChef

What's a "snub nose"?

whereismyname
whereismyname

What's similiar about it? That they're fucking gray? lmao

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

I think it's a joke. It's easy to recognize Nazi statues. They always have angry long faces and small eyes. Kinda like Schwarzenegger.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Nords what do you gain from claiming Romans as your own. This shit doesnt make sense. Its not like you contributed anything anyway. This is why i find the whole niggers had no civilization thing so stupid. Yes they didnt have civilizations so what. Its not like they were living then. Fucking losers in your parents basements. You probably dream about living in tje past. Nigga just play CIV

askme
askme

The small wh*Te subhuman nose that points upwards. It's the complete opposite of the big Roman aquiline one.

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hairygrape
hairygrape

mfw they actually believe this shit
LMAO nordcucks are nigger tier

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Methnerd
Methnerd

Mediterranean busts always seemed like they were accurately sculpted to the phenotype of the local population to me. The Nordic face looks completely different, and I am from a "racially Nordic" country myself.

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RavySnake
RavySnake

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JunkTop
JunkTop

If you want to have a cherrypicking contest, I'm happy to oblige.
Pic related, from Villa di Arianna, 1st century

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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

there's literally only two colors used there

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

c.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

The nose can't be more different. This statue has the most stereotypical "Roman" nose.

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VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Oh my God do you guys never leave your house? I'm italian and I have a straight nose, my brother has a hooked aquiline nose, there are people from my ethnicity who are blonde with green eyes and others who could be mistaken for Pakis or Indians, it's almost like people from the same country can have different shapes of noses, hair color, face shape, or skin tone, there aren't ethnicities where all the people look the same, it's like you never left your basement

Soft_member
Soft_member

The sole reason for northern european features among italians is nordic migration.

takes2long
takes2long

How about this one then?

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Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

A straight nose isn't Nordic, it's common everywhere you can find it even in Ethiopia

Emberfire
Emberfire

There were blondes in Italy then just as there are blondes in Italy today, but in both time periods they were a minority.

Firespawn
Firespawn

ITT

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VisualMaster
VisualMaster

How about this one then?

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FastChef
FastChef

Nigger do you know what phenotypes are? There can be blonde Italians and they're still genetically closer to their swarthy counterparts rather than Nordic

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

I know, I posted them to the user that posted cherrypicked images of dark romans.

Lunatick
Lunatick

I would question your sources. Also, while blondes in ancient Roman art aren't super rare, one thing that is super rare is blue eyes. Almost every ancient Roman depiction of a blonde I've ever seen has had brown eyes.

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Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

[sarcasm] PFFFT, epigenetics and phenotypes are deception concocted by the Jewish plants in Big Genetics [/sarcasm]

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

It's not like you didn't cherrypick yourself

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Fixed :^)
Suetonius' works are probably available online somewhere if you want to fact check them
That was the fucking point

MPmaster
MPmaster

oops forgot the pic

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farquit
farquit

Negro-centrism as snownigger-centrism, both of you are fucking retarded.

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viagrandad
viagrandad

HOL' UP
SO YOU BE SAYIN'?!

Inmate
Inmate

no u

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

That was the fucking point
The majority of people in ancient Roman art are depicted with dark hair. That guy posting one picture of dark haired Romans is not cherry picking.

TechHater
TechHater

This one is much more Roman than this one

Supergrass
Supergrass

Italy was multi-ethnic even before the rise of Rome. There were Etruscans, Sabines, Samnites, Romans and other Latins, and gauls.

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Firespawn
Firespawn

what the fuck is a nord

this isn't skyrim

Booteefool
Booteefool

North Italians are closer to French than Sicilians. That makes sense as Italic languages are related to Celtic languages, not South Mediterranean languages. Why it also makes sense why so many Roman of the Latin patrician were red or blonde haired, and why the plebians who were conquered non-Italics were swarthy.

Pic related is from a Sicilian patricians house from the 4th century.

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lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Shh now. Don't ask awkward questions

Booteefool
Booteefool

Southern Italians are basically just Greeks still left over from Magna Graecia. I agree that Latins were probably closer to northern Italians/Spanish/French though. Tuscans also cluster separately from both northern and southern Italians and are probably still largely of Etruscan descent.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Latins from when? 1000 bc? 750 bc? 50 bc? We have no idea since we have no samples from before 650 be since they cremated their dead

iluvmen
iluvmen

I wonder if Etruscans themselves were pulled north by mixing with Italo-Celtics or the Italians pulled south by mixing with Etruscans, or neither.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

WUZ

Techpill
Techpill

The original Latins. I'm not saying we have proof, just that it makes sense.

Methshot
Methshot

It's obvious that the Roman empire was created by the Indo-Germanic NORDIC man. The soyboy m*Dshit would not be able to create such a proud and war-like state.

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Snarelure
Snarelure

an average terrone and "romanz wuz mediterrenean" poster LOL

Evilember
Evilember

nordic means north germanic
Nope.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

What does the original Latins mean? The first people to speak Latin? We don’t know we don’t even know when Latin was first spoken

JunkTop
JunkTop

The original Italic tribes that later founded the Roman empire.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

as opposed to m*Dsoyboy loving?

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New_Cliche
New_Cliche

I think he means the Latin people who founded Rome.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

and who were Nordics :)

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Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Yes, just like modern Italy.

Genetic testing shows the population has not changed, and North Italians are genetically closer to South Italians than to other Europeans so no matter how much you snowniggers whinge and cry you won't change actual genetic science.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

If the 'Rape of the Sabine women' had any truth in it, then the Romans were mutts from the beginning. They were also likely ruled by Etruscans, who were the most powerful people in Italy at the time and heavily influenced Romans.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

those are both etruscans. the one on the right is a female.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Why do these threads always get so many replies?

5mileys
5mileys

Nope, the right one is a Roman.

The left one is a soyboy sw*Rthoid.

askme
askme

Because the truth upsets the m*Dsoyboy :)

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PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

brown eyes
Show me one (1) picture of a blonde Roman with blue eyes.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Mark Antony looks like a typical Italia.

Here's a reconstruction of him.

youtube.com/watch?v=k9ku4S5Q2kY

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RavySnake
RavySnake

None of you niggers were Romans

Illusionz
Illusionz

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Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

youtube.com/watch?v=aH5rT0gqLdQ

happy_sad
happy_sad

Why he made him look different than his own statues?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Can't even find one, huh?

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Playboyize
Playboyize

This one is light blue/grey eyed

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Statues are idealized, I guess.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Are you retarded? I guess I can't really blame you for desperately grasping at straws, though. After all, depictions of blonde Romans are relatively rare. But out of the examples that do exist, you would expect at least one or two to have blue eyes, wouldn't you? Very strange.

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Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Are you retarded? I've already posted one.
I prefer historic sources over cherrypicking though, and they scream one thing: Roman elites were Nordic.

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Snarelure
Snarelure

I prefer historic sources over cherrypicking though
posts a bunch of literal cherrypicked images of "Italians"
This is what typical Italians look like.

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Firespawn
Firespawn

Not in Europe they can't.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Emperor Vespasian

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Illusionz
Illusionz

Emperor Trajan.

woah. its almost like the Italian Peninsula, and the roman empire as a whole, was multienthic with various phenotypes. What a mindblower.

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Supergrass
Supergrass

I am surprised by how many people itt actually believes that the Romans were Nords, i thought it was just a shitty meme.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

"White-haired" and green eyed.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Some Germans and Brits early last century decided to stroke their dicks to the idea that they were somehow """Roman descendents"""". Definitely not a meme.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

I've already posted one.
Where?

I prefer historic sources over cherrypicking though
Surviving art doesn't count as historical sources now? And I will allow you to cherry pick just this once seeing as it's a special case. Just show me one (1) picture of a blonde Roman with blue eyes.

You'll have to forgive me but I'm running out of blonde Romans to cherry pick so here's a Roman depiction of Achilles. Surely he should have blue eyes, right? Oh, whoops, looks like they're brown. Weird.

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idontknow
idontknow

Where?
Above.
Where?
Surviving art doesn't count as historical sources now?
It's cherrypicking nonsence, ignores the plebs-patrician and geographic division too.

The vast majority of the early Roman Emperors were light pigmented, that's a fact.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Impossible.

The Roman Empire was created by a race who loved FARMING and PATRIARCHY. These concepts are foreign to the matriarchal Indo-European mind.

hairygrape
hairygrape

I meant today. Of course there were people who believed it back then, just look at the Nazis and all their retarded theories.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Trajan was blond.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

The Roman Empire was created by a race who loved FARMING and PATRIARCHY
The jews? Lol...

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

They look like they could be north Italians desu, just look at the übermensch in the middle.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Trajan was blond

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SniperWish
SniperWish

WN boards, Stormfront, etc. The idea has always been there, but its just not a popular topic.

RavySnake
RavySnake

[sarcasm]
[/sarcasm]
You have to go back

WebTool
WebTool

Give up, do you? Are you sure you don't want make one more pass through your blonde Romans folder to see if you can find one with blue eyes?

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RumChicken
RumChicken

Padova
Thats in north Italy...

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Implying the romans were related to filthy fucking barbarians

lol germanics always trying to claim the accomplishments of true civilization when they were the ones to burn it to the ground, fuck off fag

Illusionz
Illusionz

Reminder that unrelated modern day medoids are nigger tier in their we wuzzing

Supergrass
Supergrass

The Jew loves money and loaning, farming, and more generally manual labour, is foreign to him.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Funny enough, Ashkenazi Jews are actually quite close genetically to modern Italians.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

That university has students from all over Italy.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Which would explain the most swarthy looking ones.

idontknow
idontknow

Yes, those are South Italians which are mostly of Greek descent, they were also part of the Roman Empire.

Italy's population has not changed since ancient times.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

We don't know that. They recently found some graves of North Italians and they all looked like South Italians.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Italy's population has not changed since ancient times.
Thats where youre wrong, kiddo

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Burnblaze
Burnblaze

The fourth one, and it's pretty obvious.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Yes, we know.

books.google.com/books?id=FrwNcwKaUKoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=history of human genes&hl=en&ei=yQtITqPZDoOcgQfc28GsBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y#v=snippet&q=roman&f=false
The ancestors of Italians are identified as Italic peoples (of which the most notable are the Latins/Romans but also Umbrians, Sabines and others) and it is generally agreed that the invasions that followed for centuries the Fall of the Roman Empire did not significantly alter their gene pool because of the relatively small number of Germanic or other migrants compared to the large population of what constituted Roman Italy.

arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1502/1502.02783.pdf
In their admixture ratios all Italians are similar to other Southern Europeans and that is being of Early Neolithic Farmer ancestry.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2675054
The genetic distance between Northern and Southern Italians, although pretty large from a single European 'nationality' point of view, is only roughly equal to the one between Northern Germans and Southern Germans.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3646727
nature.com/ejhg/journal/v17/n1/full/ejhg2008120a.html
Molecular anthropology found no evidence of significant Northern geneflow into the Italian peninsula over the last 1500 years. On the other hand, the bulk of Italian ethnogenesis occurred prior to Germanic or non European invasions. Dna studies show that only the Greek colonization of Sicily and Southern Italy had a lasting effect on the local genetic landscape.

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SomethingNew
SomethingNew

WE WUZ ROMANS N SHEEIT!

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RumChicken
RumChicken

this level of racist wewuzing belongs to /pol/

TechHater
TechHater

This. The Romans were proud Blacks

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

WRONG. The Romans looked like modern Italians

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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Wrong hairstyle, clearly the right is a mop.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Not a larper, but the top and bottom rows are completely different. Ironically De Niro is the closest and he's only 1/4 Italian.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I've already posted a blue-eyed one, retard

Btw. name "Caesar" literally means blue-eyed.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

This is the stupidest fucking picture I've seen.

None of these stupid subhumans shitskins actually looks like the Roman emperor up to them.

MPmaster
MPmaster

"I am more right than Suetonius!111!!!!!"

takes2long
takes2long

That's because half of them are Amerimutts instead of real Italians.

This is what typical Italians look like:

And it's backed by genetic testing as per:

Inmate
Inmate

By Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Paolo Menozzi, Alberto Piazza
Biased source.

being of Early Neolithic Farmer ancestry.
That is not limited to Southern Europe.

The genetic distance between Northern and Southern Italians, although pretty large from a single European 'nationality' point of view, is only roughly equal to the one between Northern Germans and Southern Germans.
Southern Germans can be pretty swarthy so i guess you're right.

over the last 1500 years
The first Germanic invasions happened before that.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Biased source.
Kek

I stopped reading your post there.
State why it's biased or fuck off.
Their methodology is described in their paper.

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StonedTime
StonedTime

No, it could mean he had a thick head of hair, was born by cesarean section, OR had bright grey eyes

TechHater
TechHater

I've already posted a blue-eyed one, retard
I think you might have linked to the wrong post, friend. That person doesn't appear to have blue eyes.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

That's because half of them are Amerimutts instead of real Italians.
Only the two most good looking ones are mutts, Gugliemo and Robert, the others are of pure Italian descent.

Supergrass
Supergrass

That's light blue/grey

Skullbone
Skullbone

"HURRDURR THE PICTURES AREN'T PURDY ENOUGH FAKE NEWS!"
ignores the data and the citations

FastChef
FastChef

White people are some of the most insecure people on the planet when it comes to race, only black people have them beat in that.

farquit
farquit

State why it's biased
Pretty obvious, they are Italians. Stating that the Germanic invaders didn't leave any noteworthy genetic footprint is just silly, they took over the place and ruled it for centuries for fuck sake, they wouldn't have been able to do that without numbers and since they were the ones in power they also had dibs on the local women.
Their methodology is described in their paper.
So? Biased people will usually try to appear legitimate.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

This is a shit tier propaganda bullshit.

Roman Emperors were Nordic.

Flameblow
Flameblow

white people are so insecure

RavySnake
RavySnake

feminism destroyed their culture

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

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happy_sad
happy_sad

The likelihood that anyone in this thread is serious is pretty low.

iluvmen
iluvmen

this kills the m*Dshit
theapricity.com/earlson/history/italy.htm

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Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

hooked nose
swarthy skin
curly brown hair
brown eyes
short
hairy
wow... so this is the power... of the nordics...

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Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

all these tears
still no explanation why their methodology is flawed
Kek

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Spamalot
Spamalot

sieglin
Literally who

w8t4u
w8t4u

brown
Reddish blond
brown eyes
Grey

massdebater
massdebater

Their methodology is flawed simply because of it's illogical results, see .

Playboyize
Playboyize

German proffesor, author of the book "The blond hair of the ancient Indo-Germanic folks".

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Posts shitty nordcuck website that cites other nordcucks

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Italy
In 2008, Dutch geneticists determined that Italy is one of the last two remaining genetic islands in Europe (the other being Finland.) This is due in part to the presence of the Alpine mountain chain which, over the centuries, has prevented large migration flows aimed at colonizing the Italian lands.[48]
Recent genome-wide studies have been able to detect and quantify admixture like never before. Li et al. (2008), using more than 600,000 autosomal SNPs, identify seven global population clusters, including European, Middle Eastern and Central/South Asian. All the Italian samples belong to Central-Western group with minor influences dating to Neolithic period.[49]
Ancient DNA analysis reveals that Ötzi the Iceman clusters with modern Southern Europeans and closest to Italians (the orange "Europe S" dots in the plots below), especially those from the island of Sardinia. Other Italians pull away toward Southeastern and Central Europe consistent with geography and some post-Neolithic gene flow from those areas (e.g. Italics, Greeks, Etruscans, Celts), but despite that and centuries of history, they're still very similar to their prehistoric ancestor.[51]
Blondism exists among approximately 10% of Italians, with different regional proportions. Blondism increases to nearly one fourth of the inhabitants when approaching the Italian Alps.[53]
Now fuck off back to your waifu pillow, nordcuck

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TreeEater
TreeEater

Augustus a cute.

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SniperGod
SniperGod

This is due in part to the presence of the Alpine mountain chain
Not mediterrenean.

They are Alpinids, and nowadays mixed with Nordic too.

First sentence and your entire subhuman narrative has fallen, m*dsoyboy :)

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

(his hair and his eyes were depicted as the same color)

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Just looked him up, only a german wikipedia article showed up. Not even an english one. Why tho

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Note: I'm not denying that the Northern Italians look Roman.

I deny that the terroni subhumans look roman or that they look like the Roman Emperors.

Also Northern Italy used to be even more NORDIC in the Medieval, "Rossini" surname is still the most popular there...

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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Making up random words
cool citations, bro

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Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

They were not.

Pic related: accurate reconstruction, also correlated with what the great Roman historians wrote :)
Come back to this forum after you learn the difference between the Alpine race and the m*Dsoyboy race.

Lunatick
Lunatick

forgot pic

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likme
likme

posts picture of brown haired Augustus
MEDSOYBOY
Come back when you can into reading comprehension, Nordcuck

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TreeEater
TreeEater

Augustus has no m*Dsoyboy characteristics at all.

Also the race is more than pigmentation.

FastChef
FastChef

Also the race is more than pigmentation.
And that's exactly what makes you retarded for thinking that you can prove that Romans were nords by looking at statues

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CodeBuns
CodeBuns

feminized
Is this a new word for Indo-Germanized ?

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Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

OH NO NO NO

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

And that's exactly what makes you retarded for thinking that you can prove that Romans were nords by looking at statues
No, that's what makes you retarded when making a claim that Alpine dwellers are "mediterrenean".

Also funny how you included a green eyed Italian in your own picture, you shitskins keep auto-BTFOing yourself hahahahaha.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

This is some C*Toid/G*Rmanoid slave. Nice try.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Romans were cousins of Celto-Germanics if you didn't know.

Never heard of the Italo-Celts?

Skullbone
Skullbone

No, that's what makes you retarded when making a claim that Alpine dwellers are "mediterrenean".
That's not what was cited dipshit, I was citing Dutch geneticists (i.e. people without a dog in the fight) using science to prove that the Alps acted as a natural barrier to keep out invaders.

Italians can't have green e-
You are just determined to make yourself look as stupid as possible, aren't you?

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LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

You do realize that ENF admixed with WHG which would have given the genetics for blue and green eyes, right? Blue and green eyes have been present in Italy since before the steppeniggers ever made it there.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Alps acted as a natural barrier to keep out invaders.
Not from the east, and this is where did the Italic peoples come from, as well as the Goths and Langobardi.
Italians can't have green e-
Not all italians are mediterrenean you retard.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

le north italians don't look like other italians maymay

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New_Cliche
New_Cliche

he is only 1/4 italian

Lunatick
Lunatick

italian "source"

Soft_member
Soft_member

Soccer players usually have the same features, either Nordic or Nordic-Mediterrenean cross (Atlanto-Med), sometimes Norid or Dinarid.

So it's far from a proof.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Not from the east, and this is where did the Italic peoples come from, as well as the Goths and Langobardi.
All of those questions had answers in the Wikipedia page, the wikipedia page even goes into detail how much the Goths and Lombards influenced Italian Genetics (by less than 5%
Not all italians are mediterrenean you retard.
nordcucks say the funniest things

Lots of Italians have green eyes. Nordcucks are retards if they think they have the monopoly on blond hair and light eyes

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eGremlin
eGremlin

nordcucks say the funniest things
It's true you ignorant subhuman.

m*Dshit race = gracile, weak, manlet, dark hair, dark eyes, narrow face, narrow nose

Not all Italians are fully of this phenotype.

The one on your picrel is a Nordic offspring for an example because of eyes.

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JunkTop
JunkTop

ROMANZ

5mileys
5mileys

Still just making random shit up
No sources except for one shitty nordcuck website
pathologically ignores all the science

Did your girlfriend run off with a strapping Italian, Nordcuck? Is that why you're so assblasted?

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Methshot
Methshot

Another nordic offspring, not a med.

Still waiting for you to post some actually mediterrenean italian...

cum2soon
cum2soon

Still just making shit up.
Just stop, nordcuck, it's getting sad and pathetic at this point

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LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Another nordic offspring, not a med.

Still waiting for you to post some actually mediterrenean italian...

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

making shit up.
How about you educate yourself?
lmgtfy.com/?q=mediterrenean race

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

I finally found OP's ''''''''source'''''''.

theapricity.com/earlson/index.htm

realhistoryww.com/
You are literally posting the white version of this. Congrats

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AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Eyy oooh dats your mudda your talkin about

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

He looks kind of like Hedi Slimane.

girlDog
girlDog

People from Allied countries sympathizing and aspiring to be Nazis

Woah, so this is what happens when you spend too much time on the internet... such power....

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

N SHIEETTTT

Emberfire
Emberfire

Impressive.
And it seems the nordics even went to the solomon islands.
Truly the best of race.

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Snarelure
Snarelure

ruddy
THIS DOESN'T MEAN MUDDY????

SniperGod
SniperGod

L I T E R A L L Y

JunkTop
JunkTop

Glad to see the knowledge is spreading.
Modern italians have as much in common with the Roman founders as do the modern beaner-negroe amerimutt to the founding fathers of the USA.

theapricity.com/earlson/history/emperors.htm

inb4 some butthurt medshit thinks subflavum doesn't mean blonde LMAO

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GoogleCat
GoogleCat

That’s honestly not that similar which is funny considering that you literally cherry picked and washed out the photo to prove your point

whereismyname
whereismyname

There have been too many African and Arab invasions over time, it's had a big impact on the Med populations.
You should have put this at the beginning so I could have stopped reading then

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I like this reversal, thank you.

takes2long
takes2long

North Italians are genetically closer to South Italians than to other Europeans

north italian here

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Burnblaze
Burnblaze

t.

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hairygrape
hairygrape

He was (((Punic))) not Roman.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Wow that black-white filter almost made me think that those two have something simmilar, while in fact they have completely different face features.

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SniperWish
SniperWish

exactly the same nose
the same jaw
the same forehead
same eye and hair pigmentation
kys blind subhuman m*Dshit

eGremlin
eGremlin

Are you blind? the nose is completely different, left has a bulbous potatoe nose, thinner leaps, much higher forehead and much narrower eyes, not to mention you can't tell skin pigmentation from a statue

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

They are very similiar., and have the same nose.

Also no, Augustus had no m*Dsoyboy characteristics...

Booteefool
Booteefool

and you can find millions of Italians who look more similar to Augustus

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Not all italians are m*Dsoyboys you know.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Apparently this is based on the new Reich book. Indo-Europeans were in fact Iranian farmers who moved North. Pure IE would be CHG/Iran Neolithic ancestry.

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SomethingNew
SomethingNew

I'd like to see how you'd fare against the Sicilian mafia "soyboys"

Methshot
Methshot

Mitroglou is a Cappadoccian Greek, literally assimilated Anatolians.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Being a degenerate criminal does not make one superior.
He is an example of the m*Dsoyboy race.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Natufian
44000 BP
44000 BP Palestine was inhabited by Ahmarians(forefathers of the Aurignacians) and Emirans, not by Natufians.

Anatolian Hypothesis
Is this still a thing ?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

It's a hybrid hypothesis. We know that Yamna had some Iranian-like DNA (similar to Iran Neolithic, but slightly different). Reich in his book basically stated that Eastern pastoralists are local hunter gatherers + Iranian farmers. There was even some J found in EHGs in Karelia.

idontknow
idontknow

krauts making shit up once again
Why I am not suprised.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Dna studies show that only the Greek colonization of Sicily and Southern Italy had a lasting effect on the local genetic landscape.
only

But this is what were saying, the patricians were Italo-Celtic Latins and the swarthy terrones were Magna Greeks.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Most africans are out shouting how surperior they

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

But thats not true, North Italians are closer to French than south Italians.

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Methshot
Methshot

Ethnicity of the Roman Emperors:

-Augustus - Roman Italian
-Tiberius - Roman Italian
-Gaius "Caligula" - Roman Italian (born at Antium)
-Claudius - Roman Italian (born at Lugdunum in Gaul)
-Nero - Roman Italian (born at Antium)
-Galba - Roman Italian
-Otho - Etruscan
-Vitellius - unknown, presumably Italian
-Vespasian - Sabine Italian.
-Titus - Sabine Italian.
-Domitian - Sabine Italian.
-Nerva - Italian.
-Trajan - Spanish. with some distant Italian ancestry.
-Hadrian - Spanish, with some distant Italian ancestry.
-Antoninus Pius - Gaulish (born in Latium)
-Marcus Aurelius - Gaulish and Spanish
-Commodus - Gaulish and Spanish (born in Rome)
-Pertinax - unknown (family of slave origins)
-Julianus - Roman Italian
-Albinus - Italian
-Pescennius Niger - Roman Italian
-Septimius Severus - Carthaginian and Italian.
-Caracalla - Carthaginian, Italian, and Syrian
-Macrinus - Berber
-Elagabalus - Syrian
-Severus Alexander - Syrian
-Maximinus Thrax - probably Dacian (supposedly Thracian and Sarmatian)
-The Gordiani - unknown (probably mixed Italian, African, and Asian)
-Philip the Arab - Mesopotamian or Syrian Arab
-Decius - Illyrian or Pannonian (born at Budalia near Sirmium)
-Trebonianus Gallus - Perusian Etruscan
-Aemilian - Mauretanian
-Valerian - unknown
-Gallienus - unknown
-Claudius Gothicus - Illyrian
-Aurelian - Moesian
-Tacitus and Florian - unknown, possibly Italian or Danubian
-Probus - Illyrian or Pannonian (born at Sirmium)
-Carus - probably Gaulish and Greek (born at Narbo)
-Carinus and Numerian - probably Gaulish and Greek
-Diocletian - Dalmatian Illyrian
-Maximian - probably Illyrian or Pannonian
-Carausius - Menapian Gaul
-Constantius Chlorus - Moesian or Dacian
-Galerius - Dacian
-Severus II - Danubian
-Maxentius - Danubian and Syrian
-Constantine I and his sons - Moesian

TreeEater
TreeEater

whoah they both have eyes and noses and shit

absolute clones of eachother

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

eurogenes.blogspot.com/2016/10/dead-cat-bounce.html

That map is old actually.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Apparently this is based on the new Reich book.

It's not.. That picture has no relation to Reichs book WHAT SO EVER. That's an old graph by Johannes Krause, from atleast three years ago.

The Anatolian hypothesis is dead, just stop your we wuzzing.

TechHater
TechHater

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AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Yeah, but it seems like Reich supports it. But he said we need Hittite genes to be sure.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Hittites are pretty recent to ascertain anything about PIE origins.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

WE WAZS ROMANS?

King_Martha
King_Martha

They're actually using ~4,500 year old Harappan remains as a proxy for the earliest Indo-Aryans in India, then it's not surprising that they didn't find any steppe influence, because the Indo-Aryans expanded from the steppe via Central Asia to India only ~3,500 years ago.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Citation needed

happy_sad
happy_sad

shit drawing, that's all

w8t4u
w8t4u

“Ancient DNA available from this time in Anatolia shows no evidence of steppe ancestry similar to that in the Yamnaya (although the evidence here is circumstantial as no ancient DNA from the Hittites themselves has yet be published). This suggests to me that the most likely location of the population that first spoke an Indo-European language was south of the Caucasus Mountains, perhaps in present-day Iran or Armenia, because ancient DNA from people who lived there matches what we would expect for a source population both for the Yamnaya and for ancient Anatolians. If this scenario is right the population sent one branch up into the steppe-mixing with steppe hunter-gatherers in a one-to-one ratio to become the Yamnaya as descriebed earlier- and another to Anatolia to found the ancestors of people there who spoke languages such as Hittite.”

Hittites are pretty recent
But not their language.
The Anatolian branch is generally considered the earliest to split from the Proto-Indo-European language, from a stage referred to either as Indo-Hittite or "Middle PIE"; typically a date in the mid-4th millennium BC is assumed.
Cultures such as Kura Araxes or Maikop could be Indo-European, just not from the steppe.

askme
askme

This is like a man from Ghana claiming that they akan were the Malians

likme
likme

sorry but your nordic guy looks absolutely nothing like augustus, he looks more like matteo renzi

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Hittite had a lot of very archaic features

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

The Indo-Iranian languages are most closely related to Balto-Slavic languages. And there was no population movement from Iran into Latvia, ever. There was a steppe migration into India and Iran though.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Both are of the same race.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

who Renzi and the nordic guy?

Flameblow
Flameblow

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TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Well, Minoans had some of that Iranian ancestry, but not from the steppe.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

The Nordic guy and Augustus

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Augustus is even more Nordic for having a straight nose.

JunkTop
JunkTop

He doesn't have a straight nose, see:
It's also not described as straight.

his nose projected a little at the top and then bent ever so slightly inward

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

how did you come to that conclusion?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Yes, and they were not indo-european either. But the Myceneans were, and guess what they had?

The origins of the Bronze Age Minoan and Mycenaean cultures have puzzled archaeologists for more than a century. We have assembled genome-wide data from 19 ancient individuals, including Minoans from Crete, Mycenaeans from mainland Greece, and their eastern neighbours from southwestern Anatolia. Here we show that Minoans and Mycenaeans were genetically similar, having at least three-quarters of their ancestry from the first Neolithic farmers of western Anatolia and the Aegean1,2, and most of the remainder from ancient populations related to those of the Caucasus3 and Iran4,5. However, the Mycenaeans differed from Minoans in deriving additional ancestry from an ultimate source related to the hunter–gatherers of eastern Europe and Siberia6,7,8, introduced via a proximal source related to the inhabitants of either the Eurasian steppe1,6,9 or Armenia4,9. Modern Greeks resemble the Mycenaeans, but with some additional dilution of the Early Neolithic ancestry. Our results support the idea of continuity but not isolation in the history of populations of the Aegean, before and after the time of its earliest civilizations.

It's pretty clear, the Iran component is older than IE-expansion.

Nojokur
Nojokur

He has a Straight nose with inward tip.

Illusionz
Illusionz

straight nose is Mediterranean

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Supergrass
Supergrass

Everything proves that, and even the main German race scientist classified Augustus as predominantly Nordic.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

And Nordic.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

It's not illustrating the difference in straightness as you can't really see if from that angle. The webm shows the person on the left has an upturned nose which is typical of northern Europeans but not southern Europeans.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

so what's the conclusion?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

And bronze age Anatolians (Luwian-Hittite Indieuro) did not have steppe admixture

girlDog
girlDog

We don't have any Hittite or Luwian samples so far, no matter how many times you keep posting this.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

We are talking about language here.

Yes, and they were not indo-european either.
They were mostly Anatolian.

Nothing about Yamna migration changed, but it's possible that the ultimate origin of Indo-European language wasn't in the steppes.

farquit
farquit

Both groups developed similiar features.
Upturned nose is quite atypical in Nordics, but can often happen.

idontknow
idontknow

I hope you dont think that Hittite is somehow ancestral because its the oldest attested IE-language.

It's most likely that most of the people in Hittite empires were actually local Hurrians. Fitting very well with the established facts.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

dont forget the meaty full cheeks and full lips

nords have skinny and bony faces

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Techpill
Techpill

but it's possible that the ultimate origin of Indo-European language wasn't in the steppes.

It's not. If it was related to the Iran component, why no indo-european in Minoan civ but small EHG in Mycaneans already makes them IE.

Methnerd
Methnerd

nordic face

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Snarelure
Snarelure

That retard thinks that whole Anatolia was Hittite, when it's a known fact that there were many other non IE populations like Hattians, Hurrians.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Right. When its said on the second chapter of the Wiki article. Right there:

While the Mitanni kings were Indo-Iranians, they used the language of the local people, which was at that time a non Indo-Iranian language, Hurrian. Their sphere of influence is shown in Hurrian place names, personal names and the spread through Syria and the Levant of a distinct pottery type.

But I guess the pure proto-indo-europeans spoke a non-ie language because...?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Romans probably looked like this.

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TechHater
TechHater

What? Mediterraneans tend to have skinny cheeks and angular features.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

And this.

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Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

And no, Mitanne werent Hittites but they were IEs in the same area yet the area was mostly Hurrian speaking.

The isolates like Huraro-Urartian and Sumerian were probably the languages of the Iran people, while IE was not.

Nojokur
Nojokur

EHG are hunter gatherers
Yamna are pastoralists
pastoralism first appeared in the Middle East along with agriculture
We don't know what language they used.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

But I guess the pure proto-indo-europeans spoke a non-ie language because...?
Because? Hittites used Indo-European.

Lunatick
Lunatick

The isolates like Huraro-Urartian and Sumerian were probably the languages of the Iran people
Or maybe Anatolians.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

What makes you think they were pure Indo-Europeans by the time they arrived they were pure Indo-Europeans? We don't even know if they arrived in large numbers or that they were only elite ruling class, it's not outlandish for populations to adopt language of majority. Take Lithuania for example where in medieval ruling population was ethnic Lithuanian, but they adopted customs and languages if they migrated to Ruthenian territories that they ruled since their mumbo jumbo wouldn't be intelligible with local population.

You think it's a coincidence that Minoan language unknown and undeciphered but as soon as steppe component arrives even if it's in small amount among Myceneans they started speak IE language?

And it's fairly known that that were many foreign influences among Hittities especially in sphere of religion.

Take Hungarians for example they speak Uralic language but are completely IE, pretty much show no traces of their Uralic heritage. Populations can shift language to their elites or vice versa.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

pastoralism

Something as loosely defined as this is not a sign of shared heritage, sorry.

Spamalot
Spamalot

If they were native, why did they arrive? I thought you were arguing for the Anatolian hypothesis.

girlDog
girlDog

Wtf? No I didn't.

cum2soon
cum2soon

I was just poking fun at someone thinking the Hittites could be proto-indo-europeans, not that they actually were. That would be retarded. Its obvious that IE languages spread from the steppe and got adopted largely by elite domination in areas with already substantial local populations like the Fertile Crescent.

askme
askme

i think south euros have more meat in the face

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idontknow
idontknow

If PIE spread along with pastoralism and agriculture from Anatolia, why werent any of the neolithic european cultures IE?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Because Anatolians and Iranians were two different populations.

Hittites were Indo-Europeans. Maikop and earlier cultures had some elements of steppe populations. They also found some R1b in Kura Araxes people without any steppe DNA.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

The model looks like this:

IE appears in South Caucasus - part of them goes North and mixes with local hunter gatherers (EHG) creating Yamna. They introduced pastoralism to steppe populations.

Others later become Hittites, Mitanni and other Middle Eastern Indo-European cultures.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

t. Maciamo

EHGs fucked CHGs, not the other way around.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Kura Araxes
It was R1b, so it is indeed IE.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Still trying huh. What kind of R1b was it? They found R1b in paleolithic Villabrunans too, doesnt mean shit if its not basal to the later ones.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Not all R1b are Indo-European. It's a very old group.

girlDog
girlDog

They also found some R1b in Kura Araxes people without any steppe DNA.

But they did have steppe dna my friend.

Kura-Axes samples Armenian_EBA.

Stop smoking crack and posting false information.

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Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Karelian EHG was just J*, thats all we know.

These two branches of J1 Z1828 are European

google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z0C7lmnLIDx4.kQRaWcsg-lmU&usp=sharing

google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z0C7lmnLIDx4.k_oKfltPsiqI&usp=sharing

and they don't have any known Anatolian relatives within about 7,600 years, according to genogenea.com/J-M267/tree

cum2soon
cum2soon

pooland not only strong, smart too

askme
askme

I think it's the same as Villabruna.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Bu-but my internet memes tell me the opposite

hairygrape
hairygrape

This is not steppe ancestry. It's Levant/Iran + some WHG. CHG has more of this ancestry than this Kura-Axes sample.

Evilember
Evilember

What if, like, the Romans actually left behind coloured paintings and mosaics showing what they looked like? It's a shame we don't live in such a world and instead have to rely on Nordicist blogs to find out what they looked like.

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