B-bu-but not my very thoroughly defined, specific brand of communism

SniperWish
SniperWish

b-bu-but not my very thoroughly defined, specific brand of communism

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StonedTime
StonedTime

b-b-b-b-buts it's okay when capitalism does it

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PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

country that was exporting food starves because of a retarded system
well look at this country that had a series of crop failures in the middle of a war, capitalism killed those guys

Nice try, but liberal democracy makes you immune to famine.

This is why Ethiopians starved during the droughts of the 80s and Botswana was able to ride it out.

whereismyname
whereismyname

muh brand of communism would work

muh brand of fascism isnt racist

muh brand capitalism has a heart

its time grow up and embrace the enlightened despot

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Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

based, fascism had a semi-empowered king tho

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

italian fascism*

MPmaster
MPmaster

what about X and his ebil *insert non commie ideology*
eternal tankie

Playboyize
Playboyize

Bengal famine came into being because there was a fear of japanese ocupation, that's why the british goverment decided against helping the bengalese.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

The British did help the Bengalese, when the British military took over disaster relief efforts in 1943, starvation deaths dropped off dramatically.

Evilember
Evilember

oh that makes it okay then

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Misc. Capitalist nations:
Feudal Russia

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MPmaster
MPmaster

Man made
Capitalism
BIG IF TRUE

The economy should have a heart
Lol

This is a joke right?

Capitalist nations
Feudal Russia
Mussolini's Italy
Nazi Holocaust
The great depression
Satire?

King_Martha
King_Martha

We're just judging you by the same standards you hold us to. Not every fucking death that happened under Communist regimes happened because of communism. And its funny you say it "doesn't work" or its "against human nature" considering there have been and still are socialist regimes that work perfectly fine considering the US's constant undermining of them.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

nigga starves to death because he was unable to get food do to the states shitty handout system
Not the states fault

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

whataboutism
Look at him and laugh

Methnerd
Methnerd

Did you miss the memo from your beloved Karl Marx or what? Feudal society shouldn't be counted as the capitalist regime.

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Evilember
Evilember

Kindof does though unironically.

Firespawn
Firespawn

commies will try to defend themselves ITT
kek

RumChicken
RumChicken

le based north kore-ah everyone has his one luxury apartment
american swine why dont you leave countries alone
*proceeds to occupy half of europe, fund drunk rebels all over the world, and plunge millions of people into commie block poverty*

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Well yeah I mean, considering every time a communist government in Africa forms the CIA get some cunt to assassinate or start a war to destroy it. I mean go and look up the history of Burundi. The US went as far as to fucking stoke ethnic tensions to get the president killed because he was a socialist and put a capitalist on the "throne" (because that's what it really is). And I'm not going to sit here and defend Marxist-Leninism or Maoism. agree the direction they took, don't agree with their methods, especially Mao's anti-science approach. But at least have the common decency to do the same thing.

FastChef
FastChef

How do you allocate scarce resources?
How do you prevent the tragedy of the commons and constant shortages like in the Soviet Union? If it's a free for all, everyone will take what they can without any regard for other industries or people, because if they don't take it someone else will, and they're not losing anything through taking it.

On a side note, we make fun of gonmies who say "it's not real gommunism" or "it wasn't actual socialism" because so often they're unable to point out what they would have done differently. When a capitalist says "that wasn't real capitalism" then go on to list reasons why, such as tariffs, or controls you cab atleast tell they have an idea of what they're talking about.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

muh CIA
Wow! It is like all countries compete with each other (dirty tactics included) or something, but commie ones require greenhouse conditions to even hope to exist.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

greenhouse
more like incubator

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Its funny because it goes both ways. /pol/acks will routinely rant about frankfurt school and critical theory to demonise socialism as a whole.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

How do you allocate scarce resources?

Based on need. This isn't an issue for communism, but capitalism. I mean look at fidget spinners. You used a finite scarce resource to build millions of toys that do fuck all and then marketed them as a status symbol to children for money. Now, as a therapeutic toy for autistic people, I understand. But what fucking neuro-typical kid needs a fidget spinner? They don't, you created the need through advertising.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Wow, its almost like the USA had a huge headstart compared to eastern europe which was ravaged by the bloodiest war in history.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

By large, the discussion is not about some overtly specific brand. The fact is that following the death of Karl Marx, the Marxist intellectual movement split into authoritarian and non-authoritarian movements, the latter which were prominent in Western Europe, and the former in elsewhere. Lenin, while being a leading theorist of his time, did not represent the whole of Marxism as a theoretical school - in Germany, Kautsky was a much more prominent theoretician, and he did not support the Bolsheviks and publicly criticized Lenin and Trotsky during the revolution.

You can trace the evolution of Marxist thought right through these diverging schools. Western European communist movements can be described as reformative rather than revolutionary, seeking to change the society through parlamentary action rather than revolutionary as seen in countries widely identified as communistic ones. The argument that all communist movements are blood thirsty neo-stalinities is quite absurd, and continuing to be ignorant of the elementary divisions within perhaps the largest political movement of 20th century is only a clear indication that your shitposting carries no clear substance.

Nojokur
Nojokur

I mean look at fidget spinners.
Yeah! Who needs toys? They are waste of resources. No fun allowed except working like slave for the glory of a party. Your arguments become more and more pathetic with every second. This is a literal issue of communism. Some armchair philosopher decides on a whim for you what you need and what you don't need to have in your life ever.

King_Martha
King_Martha

you created the need through advertising.
and this is bad because? should people live in ignorance about things that they can consume?

Methshot
Methshot

not my brand...bla..bla..marx is god...bla...bla

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

can't stop crying about communism 30 years after USSR collapsed
wow, porkies sure are scared aren't they?