Post how Westerners were depicted in different parts of the world
Ancient Depictions of White People
Jaxson Lee
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Connor Ward
not so ancient but posting anyways
Jackson Richardson
This is quite funny.
Jeremiah Watson
Dominic Diaz
>Yo what the fuck bro
Nicholas Gomez
Also not ancient, but they did a good job of capturing Matthew Perry's likeness imo
Christian Morgan
that's some fearsome BWC
Aaron Morris
Japanese cuck porn?
Christopher Kelly
A Song period illustration of a Tang Period Enyclopedia of a Roman person.
They apparently liked Bonsai (or Penzai, as it is called in Chinkdom).
Looks far off to be a classical Period Roman, but if you take into account Byzantines, its pretty spot on with their goofy hats and robes n shit.
Sebastian Bell
18th century Nigerian statue of a Portugese man. (Edo culture)
Noah Davis
Huuuuuuge cock
Daniel Barnes
Leo Nelson
>18th-century Chinese drawing of a Swiss mercenary and his wife. The accompanying description goes:
>Barbarian man of the province of Helvetia [Heleiweijiya sheng], of the Great Western Ocean [Europe], and his barbarian wife
>This country is a vassal of the Kingdom of Germany [Reermaniya guo]. The people are loyal and righteous; they always pay their debts. Their schools are built by their government, or by their public institutions. Their land, which is frigid due to the mountainous climate, produces gold and jewels. Their people are said to be masters of constructing buildings. Their women are chaste, simple, and honest; being very dexterous, they weave with their bare hands, scorning to use a loom. They make very fine cloths. The earth there produces gold, if you dig a well, you’ll find small pieces of gold. There are gold pieces the size of beans under the river. The mountains produce musk deer, deer and mountain lions. People raise cows for food.
Cooper Green
GAIJIN'D
Camden Edwards
Damn intresting that is.
Got a source mate?
Adrian Stewart
DUTCHED.com
Aaron Thompson
Tang Dynasty
Tyler Garcia
Unfortunately not; I found it on t*mblr.
Luis Cooper
Theyre very decisive on the looks
Jonathan Sullivan
Welll, cheers anyways. Gonna look it up. If I find something I'll post it here.
Evan Morgan
It's an erotic album by Ota Nampo in 1820.
Matthew Gutierrez
Sogdians aren't really "white people" by conventional modern standards. Tocharians might have been closer with their light hair and eyes though.
Dominic Murphy
Thank you, made my evening a whole lot easier.
Luis Jackson
this thread has potential for interesting posts
Alexander Fisher
That detail level on cock is hilarious
Isaiah Hughes
I've never noticed the mountain pattern armor shoulder boards. why?
William Rodriguez
Ahmad ibn Fadlan was an Arab dispatched by the Abbasid caliphate in 921 to the people of Rus on the Volga river. You can find a lot more of his writing online, but Wikipedia quotes this passage:
>I have seen the Rus as they came on their merchant journeys and encamped by the Itil. I have never seen more perfect physical specimens, tall as date palms, blond and ruddy; they wear neither tunics nor kaftans, but the men wear a garment which covers one side of the body and leaves a hand free. Each man has an axe, a sword, and a knife, and keeps each by him at all times. Each woman wears on either breast a box of iron, silver, copper, or gold; the value of the box indicates the wealth of the husband. Each box has a ring from which depends a knife. The women wear neck-rings of gold and silver. Their most prized ornaments are green glass beads. They string them as necklaces for their women.
Brandon Nelson
>depicted as a manlet
Joshua Cruz
>1854
Jonathan Hall
some of the images that get reposted as Tocharians on these kinds of shitholes are argued to in fact be Sogdians. ancient DNA reveals that the Tarim basin “Europoids” already had substantial East Eurasian mixture in the bronze age, whereas some east Iranian people in the Pamirs even today have very little. the Chinese described red-haired people eveywhere, even on the Yenisei, and there is no textual accompaniment of those murals to prove tocharian identity
David Fisher
Siamese temple guard (dvarapala) in the form of a European. 1869
Jose Brown
Of course, there's no way to cleanly separate language and genetics. Many Sogdians were fair-featured. But the Sogdian language originates with the Indo-Iranians, who were generally not. They had migrated through BMAC and mixed with neolithic Iranians, before coming back into the steppe as Scythians, etc. Just like later Scytho-Sarmatian tribes had tons of blonde and red hair, languages spread faster than genetics or lifestyles.
Also the Chinese really didn't distinguish between any of these groups particularly well.
Christopher Carter
An account by the 12th century chronicler Usama ibn Munqidh;
>"I heard a similar case from a bath attendant called Salim from Ma'arra, who worked in one of my fathers bathhouses. This is his tale:
>I earned my living in Ma'arra by opening a bathhouse. One day a Frankish knight came in. They do not follow our custom of wearing a cloth around their waist while they are at the baths, and this fellow put his hand, snatched off my loin-cloth and threw it away. He saw at once that I had just recently shaved my pubic hair.
>'Salim!' he exclaimed! I came toward him and he pointed to that part of me.
>'Salim! You shall certainly do the same for me!' and he lay down flat on his back. His "hair" was as long as his beard. I shaved him, and when he had felt the place with his hand and found it agreeably smooth, he said: 'Salim, you must certainly do the same for my Dama'. In their language Dama means lady, or wife. He sent his valet to fetch his wife, and when they arrived and the valet brought her in, she lay down on her back and he said to me:
>'Do to her what you did to me.' So I shaved her pubic hair, while her husband stood. Then he thanked me and paid me for my services.
Chase Phillips
The first cuck film.
Ethan Walker
how?
Jacob Perez
>that camel
Matthew Jones
Cigars and body hair
Hudson Gonzalez
Absolutely mental
Nicholas Williams
I just noticed the monkey is jerking off wtf Japan
Ryan Gray
am dutch, can confirm
Parker Williams
I am 61.3% sure that's coral not a bonzai tree
Austin Morales
China had da massive thing for coral and jade even though they're not even that shiny. Giant slabs of bronze as well.
Daniel Parker
japanese art at the time was full of nature imagery and geometric repeating patterns
Tyler Kelly
I notice they tend to give Europeans massive pointy noses and drooping eyelids.
Daniel Thomas
fair enough
Angel Rivera
Bronze gets real shiny.
Jace Brown
This tips it over the fucking edge holy shit
Chase Sanders
African art
Bentley Davis
They saw us as Jews then ?
Kevin Torres
Nice.
Gabriel Jackson
The Niō 仁王 is basically an ancient Asian depiction of Heracles
Connor Cooper
It's from the Huang Qing Gongtu (Qing Imperial Tributary Atlas).
It's an 18th Century atlas with maps and descriptions of "Tributary Peoples" (just foreigners really) commissioned by the Qing government.
Pic related, Ongeria People (Hungarians.
Ryan Wright
>the virgin Japanese monkey
>the CHAD sharp-nosed Dutchman
Christopher Morgan
thumbnail looks like a penis
Oliver Hughes
Funny Frenchmen.
Ryan Lee
>Master Huang, how do we depict Russians?
>Put a bear in it and make everyone wear fur.
Evan Bell
Mason Wright
I have a massive pointy nose and droopy eyelids. They aren't wrong.
Just the nose. Beside, Jews are usually stereotyped to have bulbous noses, while other whites just have long, sharp noses.
Hunter Collins
in awe at the size of this lad. absolute unit
Andrew Brown
>Luzon People Noble Couple.
Philippines confirmed for white.
Jayden Thomas
Maybe this is a metaphor? White sexual monkey = European
Parker Howard
>His "hair" was as long as his beard.
Jacob Long
It's literally nip cuck porn. Monkeys were associated with nips (and chinks) a lot in the past, just think of Son Goku or what have you.
The small, inferior nip is fucking while the chad dutch fucks his qt waifu
Jaxson Richardson
>The small, inferior nip is fucking
*fapping
Parker Cook
It probably means only subhuman monkeys fap to cuck porn
Justin Long
Landon Brown
Were there any fujoshi at this time at Japan?
Joshua Foster
William Gray
>even the Japs knew back then the difference between Huezil and Portugal
Jose Cruz
>Master Huang, how do we depict English people?
>Ever visited Canton? They're always fucking drunk. Draw a European man and put a bottle in his hand. Done.
Sebastian Flores
Brody Robinson
fujos are older than history itself desu
Samuel Cooper
Aaron Rivera
Lincoln Carter
Zachary Russell
Or it could just be a monkey jacking off, with no other meaning.
Austin Mitchell
a monkey jacking off will always have meaning
Jonathan Rogers
the moment japan wins something, they draw porn of it.
Jeremiah Russell
Like, the actual adoption of the deity Heracles? Or a local equivalent of Heracles?
Josiah Perez
Alberto Barbosa
Samuel Jackson
This one is interesting: Mexicans.
Jonathan Sullivan
Both. Macedonians brought Heracles all the way to India. There, Buddhism absorbed his legend into something called "Vajrapani". From there, it spread through Buddhism into East Asia. A martial society like Japan ate that shit up like hotcakes.
Grayson Butler
Black Slaves.
Jackson Wright
Probably Spaniard elites.
Benjamin Hernandez
Not really sure how they would have faired in 1820 tho...
Colton Edwards
The elite of Mexico is still quite Spanish rather than Mestizo.
Chase Campbell
>Idk how to draw blacks so I will make them asian but black.
Isaiah Wright
Imagine being an Asian and seeing these images of far off exotic and strange peoples of Europe.
Matthew Gonzalez
neat. did the labors get absorbed as well?
David Ward
Fujos have always existed, in every society, since forever.
Hunter Gonzalez
That pretty fucking cool. What else do you know? got any good sources?
Ayden Collins
I find this of enormous interest!
I've looked and only see a wiki
is there anywhere I could read this book?
Hudson Rivera
fascinating, I wonder what legends came the other way, dragons maybe
Camden Edwards
Its all in chink unfortunately
Wyatt Clark
yellow bois btfo
Jaxson Edwards
Look at the other images, they made white people Asian-looking as well.
Kevin Wright
> Vajrapāni
Nah this existed before. Rather it is the iconography and image of Heracles which came to represent it. Same with the Greek depiction of the Buddha.
Dragons might have come from China, but not via the Greeks. They were adopted by steppe nomads like the Sarmatians and ended up in Europe through these (at the time of the Avars, we first see the real idea of the European Dragon emerge). Now there's dragon-like things otherwise, the whole IE serpent-slaying myth is an example of this. But the dragon-banners of the Parthians and the European Dragon of the Middle Ages probably comes from China in this way.
In regards to your other question, yes other myths and ideas came from the East to Greece. Philosophy is a big one, at least from India, as is Chess and the Panchatantra, though these came later. Indian and Chinese influence in Persian art and literature is definitely there as well but I don't know of any clear contributions to Greece off the top of my head.
Alexander Hughes
>tfw the turkish man crossdresses as an Italian woman.
Ayden Williams
How do you guys image what the guy who drew this is like?
William Nguyen
>Sweden is also a vassal of Holland [???]. They show respect by doffing their hats. They carry around a whip to protect themselves. Their women do not respect chastity; they reveal their breasts and lewdly tie their skirts over their clothing.
Classic Sweden