A place for discussing all things vegan ethics, politics & health
Meat consumption is ruining the environment. - Pollutes rivers - Forests cleared for livestock - Causes soil degradation - Massive inefficiency - Major contributor to global warming.
The most common and well known argument is the argument from marginal cases. Loosely speaking, the argument contends that animals as sentient as retards should have the same moral status
Morality is relative? - Science, logic, mathematics are all based on axioms that are not proven, what is different about morality and moral axioms? Think this argument through before arguing for it, it is not as simple as you think. (most philosophers are moral realists and believe moral propositions can in fact be true)
Meatcucks please realise the difference between normative ethics (what we ought to do) and descriptive ethics (what beliefs do people have). Normative ethics is what is being discussed with regards to veganism and morality.
e.g. - people should not eat animals for x reason (relevant normative claim) - people eat animals for y reason (irrelevant descriptive claim)
if you don't eat chicken, you're basically a faggot
Kevin Russell
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Tyler Edwards
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Jordan Butler
Defiantly nothing wrobg with eatinggreens, but eating them for protein is pretty retarted. Enjoy eating pounds of greens to make your protein requirements.
Ian Fisher
Humans aren't meant to eat meat though.
Cooper Butler
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Andrew Hughes
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Nicholas Reed
That's badass. I should name my band "3 Hogs Slaughtered Every Second"
Christian Cox
Animal abuse is not funny, meatcuck.
Nicholas Johnson
This is the ideal male body, you may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like.
Benjamin Morris
Ahh okay i will go vegan, let me just get this 90 gram of protein from Broccoli.
BRB IM GOING TO THE STORE TO BUY FUCKING 3KG OF BROCCOLI
Matthew Rivera
>100 calories of steak use the same space as 100 calories of cabagge You can leave now
What would be the problem? Don't you cut the bad part of an apple or banana and then eat it?
Jack Lopez
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William Gray
So I was suspicious of these for awhile so I decided to look up the data. Here's the graph I made in excel from the data google provides for "X nutrition facts".
So it's really more of a mixed bag than these infographics show.
David Williams
>What's the problem with eating literal cancer?
Are you this dense? I bet you drink fluid hormone cow rape juices as well.
Gabriel Long
Humans aren't meant to eat plants though
Alexander Jenkins
You will literally die when you don't eat plants though.
Anthony Nelson
i'm like 98% sure this guy is just a troll, but such is the absolute state of veganism (and leftism in general) that i can't be 100% sure.
Jordan Cox
cancer is just overgrown standard cells. stupid vegans, when will they learn?
Thomas Stewart
You meatcucks can eat all cancer you want. You'll just die faster. I only hate being forced to pay for your healthcare.
Jack Torres
if your not a dumb nigger with a half brian, it makes sense to go vegan. meat is for nigger tier 3rd world countries who are too stupid to cultivate vegetables. go eat a elephant Sambo
John Gray
hiya faggots! nice troll thread this is some good bait A+ as always keep up the shitposting!
Hunter Price
vegans r gay
William Rogers
>butter >doesn't have to come from animals
David Jenkins
>too stupid to cultivate vegetables >livestock feed is largely cultivated soy and grains
user, I don't think you thought that through very well.
Easton Lopez
vegan athiest here, why the fuck do I care about animals whilst also believing there's no god nor consequence for my actions in this life?? Because I'm also... GAY
Jayden Reyes
>grams of protein per kcals >doesn't account for 6x greater animal protein bioavailiability >doesn't account for extremely low calorie density of the plants
enjoy never being able to take a break from eating
Jaxon Stewart
lol, oh yeah...
i was thinking more dirt poor countries where meat is the only way they can survive, but what you said makes sense for the western world.
Ryder Reed
we are meant to eat cooked food. Nowadays our pathetic bodies are not really meant to eat anything readily avaliable in nature
Gabriel Scott
PEANUT BUTTER not just butter, brainlet. I bet the US would have an average IQ of 130 if it was illegal to feed children meat.
I'm starting to think these vegan general threads are not satire anymore. Whoever started this troll has made several fitizens actually become vegan.
Leo Smith
Youre the guy that makes them arent you?
Evan Hall
I wish. I'm pretty sure I convinced several people to do SS tho
Jaxson Roberts
posting a chart in the OP that is a literal lie >cabbage - 100g/25 cal/1.3g protein >kale - 100g/49 cal/4.3g protein >mustard greens - 100g/27 calories/2.9g protein >pumpkin shoots - 100g/21 cal/2.7g protein >watercress - 100g/11 cal/2.3g protein >steak - 100g/270cal/25g protein so actual numbers >cabbage not 17.4g but 5.2g >kale not 15.2g but 8.6g >mustard greens not 15.1g but 10.7g >pumpkin shoots not 16.6g but 12.8g >watercress only correct one at 20.9g >steak not 5.4g but 9.2g in order to get the same amount of protein as a 200g steak (50 grams) you would need to eat: >cabbage 3.8kg or 8.4lbs >kale 1.1kg or 2.4lbs >mustard greens 1.7kg or 3.8lbs >pumpkin shoots 1.8kg or 4lbs >watercress 2.2kg or 4.8lbs for a measly 50 grams of protein >not eating 25lbs of cabbage every day not gonna make it
Leo Hall
wow i bet you voted Trump
Wyatt Parker
Wow the person who keeps making these threads is a lying dipshit? Color me surprised.
Nathan White
OP won't respond to you. He never does. He copy and pastes the same thread every day.
Carter Lopez
I'm OP. Ask me a question.
Leo Baker
Nice refutation. I bet you've sucked at least 4 different dicks today
Andrew Campbell
You're retarded, it says per 100 CALORIES
Evan Campbell
Why do you post images that are deliberately deceiving?
Lincoln Robinson
What do you mean?
Levi Martin
He posted calorie counts per 100g's and then actually did the math to show how much protein there is per 100 calories. Are your parents brother and sister?
Lucas Jenkins
Maybe this
Jaxon Diaz
I wish vegans and other liberal nutjobs could take things in moderation.
Instead of trying to force a near sect-like devotion to never, ever touching meat again, you should have tried to bring down the worst villians of the food industry and plead for moderation.
But no. You had to push an obnoxious trend of making every little thing "vegan", "green", "fairtrade" and every other thing that makes you look like the attention-seeking loser you are. You had to bring Tofu to thanksgiving, to no other effect than making sure everone who heard your pathetic rant will never go vegan.
Why not enjoy some meat and eggs every now and then? >"b-but then you are not really vegan" Exactly, and that's all that matters to you pathetic lot. The good-little-boy TITLE of being vegan.
Your "movement" has done nothing but push back mankinds willingness for a more vegetarian diet by a decade.
Liam Long
I still don't understand you.
Mason Robinson
That's not cancer that's bottom tier faggot vegan bro science
Gavin Jackson
>20% of ground meat has salmonella >The average american consumes 1/2 pig and 1/10 cow per year
So all of America has salmonella I guess, good to know.
Posting misleading info and straight up lies isnt really helping your "cause" or whatever it is in your approval-seeking brain that makes you peddle this bullshit. If you are gonna be a pahthetic cuck then atleast try to make a good job at it.
Ryan Brown
>xDDDDD i posted it again mom! l0l0l0l tr0ll3d
Jayden Morales
We should kill all tigers, lions and every animal that is a predator. Think about it, these animals take HUNDREDS of lives to sustain their own.
I could spend weeks trying to convince someone to go vegan, and I might save a pig per year if i suceed.
If I just shoot a few crocodiles I would have saved a hundred gazelles and other wildlife per year!
Pick up a rifle user, do the right thing.
Brayden Barnes
>Frugivore >Shows chimp They literally cannibalise each other, you retarded fucking nonce.
Austin Cook
Are you actually retarded or are you deliberately avoiding addressing the post refuting your opening image?
Benjamin Bennett
Sage goes in all fields
Connor Wood
Non vegan here, you may want to tone down the false equivalence a little. Give me a (You) when tigers, lions, crocodiles and every animal that is a predator get a sudden cognition boost and organism change that allows them to choose not to eat prey, just like humans are capable to right now. Now excuse me as I get back to eating beef because I was able to choose.
Isaac Murphy
as a display of aggression, not out of dietary necessity smartypants
Ethan Flores
It's not saying you need to eat 3kg of broccoli in order to get protein you fucking mong, broccoli is just used as an example of a plant based food that has a better calorie to protein ratio than steak.
Brayden Clark
>meateaters are literally so retarded they think they can replace their chicken/eggs/tuna diet with broccoli only diet Whew never gonna make it senpai
Noah Lopez
Humans aren't meant to use a computer yet you still do it.
Bentley Murphy
samefagging this hard
Jordan Torres
They regularly consume eggs, small amphibians, birds and small mammals and are opportunistic af, they happily savage monkeys when they're able and chimps are needlessly aggressive by nature just like human beings.
Connor Cook
Plans like? We can get vitamins an minerals from seeds and nuts.
Jayden Rodriguez
Hah guys look at this hungry skeleton dyel vegan youtuber soyboy I found!
Doctor Doolittle here talks to animals, trust him.
Gabriel Ramirez
What is ground beef?
Ayden Kelly
this is straight up fucking false. yes, you can be a soyboytoy and get enough protein from plants but this graph is just pathetic.
Michael Stewart
This is a lie
Justin Howard
>eating meat means eating poop About as stupid and childish of an argument as can be made.
Ryder Perez
If vegans are gonna use this straw man, they better fucking hate fat people too
Josiah Hall
Can't wait to eat 3kg of grass to satisfy my incomplete plant protein needs
Mason Clark
What do you think a fertilizer is?
Juan Morales
>being spooked this hard
Josiah Ortiz
>24g protein >120 calories Absolute bullshit. There are 4 calories in a gram of protein putting this at 96cal from protein alone, and beans are not even close to 80% protein.
For fucks sake, I'm even vegan and I hate when this stupid shit gets posted. I don't care what people eat. Posting shit like this makes us all look bad.
Brody Barnes
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Isaac Gutierrez
Lol kill yourself faggot
Austin Nelson
>protein per 100 calories You know why that's bullshit right? Firstly, steak is not 5.4 grams of protein per 100 calories, it's 9.13. That's by my own calculations using USDA statistics. A quick Google search says "100 calories of broiled beef, top sirloin steak has exactly 11.08 grams of protein". And cabbage isn't 17.4 grams of protein per 100 calories, it's 5.38. Secondly, do you know how much 100 calories of cabbage is? 16 leaves. So enjoy eating 206 leaves of cabbage when you could just just eat 1 delicious steak. *kills cow*
Parker Gutierrez
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Carson Morales
(You) Nice pseudoscience
Justin Ross
>mfw vegans are cucked by basic math brb eating ten pounds of broccoli
About that picture. Here is an extensive article by a vegan scientist explaining that a vegan diet is possible with supplementation, but vegans are stupid if they truly believe humans are not supposed to eat meat.
Levi Scott
>broccoli is just used as an example of a plant based food that has a better calorie to protein ratio than steak. But broccoli has less calories. That's a pretty important detail. You have to eat 23 cups of broccoli when you could just eat 1 steak.
Daniel Gutierrez
I started eating meat a few months ago after a decade of veganism. I'm eating a diet of vegetables and meat, and my health has never been better. I feel better mentally and physically; my depression and anxiety has practially vanished. I look better than ever and am lifting more than I've ever been able to lift. I deeply regret wasting my youth by buying into vegan propaganda.
Lincoln Perry
Vegan argumentative
Aaron Sanchez
>Morality is relative? - Science, logic, mathematics are all based on axioms that are not proven, what is different about morality and moral axioms?
The subjectivity of morality, and thus disregarding natural law or moral through the god hypothesis, is something that is yet to be proven by vegans/vegetarians who are still delivering poor utililitarian arguments to claim that there are ethical choices to be made. The claim that all moral concepts are man made is a claim that indirectly attacks the existence of god, which you can neither proof or disprove.
I eat meat because that fits in my world view and concept of humanity. I recently destroyed a former EU debate champion on this issue, because most people tend to overlook the faults and lacking moral framework Vegetarianism provides since Peter Singer's Animal Liberation
Austin Ramirez
Stop lying, meatcuck.
Dominic Kelly
You dont get cancer from ingesting cancerous cells. Cancer is caused by cells growing irregularly, whether its because of carcinogens or random chance. You can live an IMMACULATE vegan lifestyle and still die of cancer, you fucking clod.
Isaiah Fisher
If you believe this and other fake news on the internet without checking the claims , you are a fucking moron
Brody Watson
You're delusional. You can call me a "meatcuck" all you want, but I'm better than you in every way because of my diet.
Christopher Barnes
this man I have no problem with eating a more plant based diet, and I don't care about all of the soyboy meme bullshit, but as someone who's deathly allergic to tree nuts and sensitive to peanuts and some other things, there's no way I could possibly go full vegan.
Leo Lewis
Brb, going to eat 10 pounds of cabbage for dinner
Isaiah Lee
>one meat example you guys are so goddamn retarded