Dr. Shawn Baker is an orthopedic surgeon, weight lifting world record holder, and carnivore diet advocate

Yeah, but Shawn Baker has no science. He just said "he felt great" and lifted heavier.

No blood work, no labs, no nothing. Roids will help you lift a fuck ton, but people are hesitant due to risk. I imagine you should have the same mindset when eating only meat.

those issues you mention are rare and yes they need fix that but,
you ever been around real farmers, they treat their stock like their own pets and based on how in nature the predator gives not fucks if the prey is still partially alive? the predator doesnt care hell keep eating the poor prey until it dies from the injuries, we kill our stock in the most humane way possible

He eats the organs where the animals store most of the vitamins. Packleaders always eat the liver, kidneys, heart and intestines first.

My bet is that he eats kidney, brains and drinks pig blood, my father and grandfather unironically used to do this

are you kidding me did, no science? do more research

and blood work means shit all youll get is false positives

interesting, I don't think I could ever stomach blood though

my ex's family was Portuguese and "blood soup" was a specialty of theirs

> no thanks, I just started a fast for the rest of my life

Yeah dude the way cows commit more to global warming with their farts than transport worldwide does is "rare". You ignored half of what he was saying, jerk.

>where are fat soluble vitamins stored
>where are water soluble vitamins stored.

You sound exactly like the average JoeRogan listener. dont forget to stop taking fluoride and book in a Ayahuasca trip sometime.

Animals eat plants, you eat the animals, you are what you eat.

There are small studies that have shown that vitamin deficiencies effect people differently according to the diet they have adapted to. Like people that eat only meat tend to require less vitamin C than vegetarians and they show no side effects of low vitamin C. Look at different groups of people throughout time. Where the fuck were Eskimos and Vikings getting their vitamin C from without getting scurvy?

i've heard this before for B vitamins, or vitamin A from a liver,

wasn't aware it was possible to get them all this way

I'm serious. His studies were based off of enthusiast on facebook filling out surveys. Of course the results are going to be bias. It's like polling Veeky Forums and taking it as hard science. Shit, on the most recent Veeky Forums survey you already know 80% of these guys lied about there dick size for security reasons.
All these people might say they feel better eating only meat, but where is the data, the actual science. Is this actually healthy for them?
I listened to that entire podcast last week and the only thing I took away from it was "Wow, here is a really genetically gifted guy who is pushing a diet that works for him, who is already in tip top shape."

thats why we should eat them all

>no blood work, no labs
That’s the thing though. Eating a low carb/ high fat diet causes weight loss, lowers your resting blood sugar, lowers blood pressure, drops water weight, and has been shown to decrease the growth of cancer cells. But it increases your cholesterol.

So a doctor sees that you have gotten rid of all of the signs and symptoms of heart disease and obesity related issues, then the doctor sees you have high cholesterol, and the doctor tells you to go back to the high carb and high fiber diet that gave you all the symptoms of heart disease and mad you fat.

What if cholesterol isn’t the problem?

fluoride is fucking terrible. period.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_meat_production

personally, I am a little more concerned about the land usage, pollution and deforestation effects than the nebulous climate change posited, since I am not entirely convinced of humanity's effect on that shit

as far as your other statement

>you ever been around real farmers, they treat their stock like their own pets
>we kill our stock in the most humane way possible

I don't disagree, I was raised on a farm in oregon (I dont know if you're european or from another continent, nor do I know how the farming culture may differ) and what I gathered was that

>smaller scale, well managed farming operations could be considered morally neutral
>smaller scale farming operations cannot provide enough meat/dairy for current consumption
>large scale (ie factory) farming practices are, I think, immoral and not justifiable
>large scale farming practices are necessary to meet current meat/dairy demands

I am not going to explain my moral position in depth due to character constraints, but
i think that Peter Singer does a good job of logically explaining why we shouldn't eat any mammals nor the vast majority of other animals

>how in nature the predator gives not fucks

again, I dont disagree but I do not think this is a valid point. tigers and hawks cannot moralize like we do, so it is not really reasonable to hold them to the standards we should hold ourselves to

But dentists say fluoride is good for you and doctors say cholesterol is bad for you.

Blood ain't that bad, it's got a very thick texture and a strong metalic taste, thought nobody from my family drinks it anymore because grandpa's too old to raise pigs and there is a high risk of the whole African pig virus outbreak, so he and my aunt swapped to goats

interesting theory

The lipid hypothesis was created by an economist, not a real scientist. Ancel Keys is a fraud has duped America into being a land of obese people. Eisenhower had low levels of cholesterol when he suffered his heart attack.

>it's got a very thick texture and a strong metalic taste,

ya, if i wanted to eat out a girl on her period i'll hit you up for the recipe

What about the massive plots of land being used to farm vegetables? The chemicals they spray to ward off posts? How much more clean water is consumed daily to keep these farms going?

Jesus Christ, talk about missing the point.

>drinks pig blood
Literally drink it? I've heard about using it in food.

>Where the fuck were [...]Vikings getting their vitamin C from without getting scurvy?

Celery, Angelica, cabbage, onions etc.

Are you for real?

W E W

CARNIVORE THREAD

WHO'S READY FOR THE GENERALS SOON

Raising ruminants is literally the best thing one can do for both one's health and for the planet's soil, check out the #ruminati hashtag on twitter for agri scientists take

youtu.be/sP_19aj4-3A
better video

>en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_agriculture

3/4 of the impact of the meat industry is growing the crops to feed the meat.
If growing feed for cattle is bad, how bad will it be to grow feed for all of mankind?

Gr8 b8 m8

We dont eat as much as cattle you nong

Of course, Vikings would stop and munch on onions and cabbage etc. because Men’s Health educated them about vitamins and nutrients.

Then they would use modern means of storage and food preservation to take those vegetables with them during their many months at sea because back then they knew they needed the vitamins and nutrients from onions and whatever. Good argument.

>98.4 million cows in America
>323.1 million humans in America

Do the math Einstein.

this podcast was awful, dude was uncharismatic as fuck and sounded like shit

>eat cabbage live
>dont eat cabbage die
No science needed there brah, also
>pickling
Pickled goods last longer than preserved meat. You are a nong

Noones advocating replacing cows with humans. Also youre ignoring the environmental impact of their farts.

>I am a soyboy who thinks that vegetables are good for oneself

You do know that all requirements for nutrients go down in the absence of glucose and dietary fiber right?
glucose is cancer and vegetables kill

15minutecorporatewarrior.com/podcast/shawn-baker-zero-carb

here you go since you don't know how to use a search engine

Oh no vegetarians btfo. Lol there are entire populations of people who dont eat meat and are perfectly healthy. All your ep8c research online is moving into the point of obscurity where you are blindly pointing at one bit of evidence and saying thats bad cos of yadada. If youre really worried about fibre and glucose cos you cant handle wiping your arse for a little bit longer each day then eat more processed shit. Perhaps youve even found the cure for cancer. Concratulations but youre still posting it on Veeky Forums where noone gives a fuck. If i had found out the cure for cancer then i would be a millionaire already. But thanks for arguing with people on Veeky Forums instead of medical professionals with your newfound evidence that we should eat more meat. If you think youre really right then harden up and be a social commentor for your cause. Because youre literally helping noone not even yourself right now

Not a single blue-zone resident over 100 does *not* eat red meat

Vegetarians die of preventable causes at a rate of 128% those of normal SAD eaters

Nut up and come back when you're less of a sorry sardonic cuckhold

>entire populations of people who dont eat meat

Large populations that don’t wat meat, at all.
Post examples or you are a liar because we know you are a liar.

Okay thanks for letting me know that like i said if you are really right then you will have no problem changing the medical professional world's view. That is if you dont want people to die but considering you are from Veeky Forums id say youre probably too autistic to give a fuck hence why you even replied to me calling me sarcastic when i was giving you advice. Are those stats american or worldwide?

You're talking to the person that started /fast/ m8, please tell me about how single anons striving to make positive change won't be actually able to; you won't be able to because you're a pessimistic dicklet who's wife I've fucked seven times over though

You said there were entire populations that didn’t eat meat. Please name one.

If you were striving to make a positive change, you would be taking your argument up with medical professionals who can actually form counter arguments based off years of research rather than berating clueless people on Veeky Forums who cant actually form any sort of argument against you. Face it. Any activism you do on this website is pointless because Veeky Forums is a bubble world. Anything that goes agianst what youre saying you can just ignore any good points, strawman the argument, abd call people a faggot. In the scientific world, if you do that, your reputation will be tarnished. Furthermore, people will counter research your own research in the name of scientific pursuit. Here it is just a shitfest. You dont even know if youre doing the right thing dude. If you yourself are a medical professional i take back everytging ive said and i hope that whatever youre doing it benefits himanity whether youre right or wrong. If youre not i suggest you go ahead and follow that field because it seems like yours extremely passionate about this topic.

Man, this is one booty bothered vegan.

Fuarr im trying to find the name of this chinese religion. My mate is a part and he is really healthy does xompetion karate and stuff like that. Anyway they are vegetarians and dont even eat root vegetables. The only reason for lack of healthiness would be lack of food caused by other people taking the land to grow crops for meat. Im not even against meat for health brehs but i think the 1st world needs to rethink how we get our food because were on a one way collision to disaster town with global warming and global rubbish accumulation what im trying to say is that Veeky Forums is a stupid place to argue about these topics

Its taoism and apparently they live longtime

>not wanting a global disaster to occur to put humanity back on course with its destined path of carniverous predatory natural selection
DAY OF THE FORK WHEN

>Its toeism and apparentry dey rive rongtime

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I hope this response proves my point. This is not funny brah, its a reality we all face as our population increases, or have you not read about overpopulation from a biological standpoint.

Glad you got my joke

>it's not funny
You're damn right it isn't, plantlet. Survival is serious business.

VEGANS ETERNALLY BTFO
>VEGANS ETERNALLY BTFO
VEGANS ETERNALLY BTFO
>VEGANS ETERNALLY BTFO
VEGANS ETERNALLY BTFO
>VEGANS ETERNALLY BTFO

How will they ever recover?
(Hint: they can't)

No he doesn't you retard.

>look ma I made the thread again

t. plantlet

t. meatlet

>get barely any antioxidants
>get dna damage
lucky for you there accually are populations that eat like that, "who sometimes lived to 80 years and beyond"
whoah, vegans blown the fuck out, the average lifeexpectancy was 43.5 years, holy jesus, who doesnt want to live that long.
wholehealthsource.blogspot.de/2008/07/mortality-and-lifespan-of-inuit.html

Glucose and vitamin C use the same molecular pathway in the body so when you only eat meat you need way less.

Shawn Baker doesn't eat organ meat, all he eats is tbone steak pretty much.

jbc.org/content/87/3/651.full.pdf

Here is a study from the 1930s where two guys ate only meat and their health improved.

I haven't eaten carnivore only but I think I'm going to try it for January. Might not be the optimal diet but I definitely don't think there are any health risks.

>Might not be the optimal diet but I definitely don't think there are any health risks.
enjoy your cardiovascular disease

WGHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT WE MIGHT BE OKAY NOT EATING VEGGIES MAN WHAT THE FUCK

none of these are weightlifting, they're strongman and powerlifting

and they're all pretty impressive records, he's strong as fuck, but it's worth noting that if you keep going into different competitions, divisions, lifts, weight brackets, then you're bound to find a record somewhere. they're all too specialised.

Healthiest way to drop cholesterol
>lose weight
you could literally eat twinkies and have better blood values than someone who eats "healthy" but is fat >15% bf

>looks like shit
>sounds like shit
>obviously roids
>no scientific basis whatsoever for claiming his diet is healthy
>doesn't even eat organ meats for the extra nutrients, just grilled steaks
>obviously an immature egomaniac who fell for the paleo meme hard and thinks eating meat makes him seem more manly
what a complete trainwreck, even Joe couldn't handle that shitshow

>My mate is a part and he is really healthy does xompetion karate and stuff like that.
compelling argument, my man

oh no wait, it shit

Wrong. The only reason I went vegan is because I was getting unhealthier and unhealthier.

nice

I was funny watching him get all embarrassed and flustered when Joe asked why he hasn't gotten his bloodwork checked.

Come on man. You're not really doing yourself or your argument a favor by deliberately being ignorant.

VEGAN SOYBOYS BTFO

Singer is a fucking commie hack who purposefully misinterprets Kant for political reasons, and now we know for a fact you became a vegan because of your intro to philosophy class. Good job dude.

you're the commie here dipshit

He said he ate "normal food" every so many days.

Didn't even have his bloodwork done after starting this diet before he started promoting this garbage.

When asked where he got the idea for this, he said Facebook.

Guys a fag. Eat meat, nuts, seeds, vegetables, fruits and berries. Meat only isn't optimal.

>No u
Definitely in your first semester of a community college, read some real philosophers and get back to me about your moral obligation to be a weak little cuck because you're smarter than a fucking bird.

you're a fag dude

>Vegan calling anyone else a fag

How long before he goes full eskimo and gets osteoporosis or dies of a heart attack?

i think everyone missed the point where you should consider biological inheritance, where as one person can eat red meats 24/7 and is healthy because his or her ancestors evolved that way, and others who cant because their ancestors main source of nutrition was fuckin plants,