25 year old KHV here. pretty depressed but im not beyond help or inspiration...

>be me
>5'6" manlet, 6/10 face
>nothing interesting whatsoever
>2 years ago at 23 yo started lifting to improve sleeping pattern
>as a consequence dyel colleagues who does brosplit starts to invite me into sports
>suck at them but do it anyway to have some semblance of social life
>one of the gril, very active in sports and friendly with everyone starts chatting me up (same class). solid 7.5/10
>talk about quite a diverse range of topics, actually learned that gossiping is quite fun
>she can even tolerate my autism regarding movies and vidya
>i dont talk about anime openly, though i dont hide it either
>eventually enter that vague area where you're more than friends but not really special yet
>after a year or so i decided to muster the courage and ask her the question
>tried to meet her up after exam but she went back to her hometown almost immediately
>messaged her
>she thought i was joking
>i got serious and asked her again
>she couldnt really give a straightforward answer
>"i want to focus on studying" that sort of trite shit
>everything was left hanging
>when the semester resumed, it was hard to be friendly again
>still in the same class, awkward as fuck
>decides to just let it be and return to my old asocial self and focus on liftan
>after about a months people were talking that we were no longer as close as we used to be
>she decides to break the silence probably because she didn't want people to misunderstand
>still awkward though, we chat every now and then but never more than 10 mins
>fast forward
>final year, no longer in the same class
>i was really close to this 8/10 bookworm because this girl was so kind i get to copy her work without complaints
>she's like a robot though, not a semblance of interest in romance
>people misconstrued
>she shrugs it off
>i dont bother to correct them since i kinda was enjoying it
>sports gril began to take note
>suddenly started to be overly friendly with me again
cont

The easiest way to start a convo is to ask questions. Do you have a particle job? Notice something small like a hair cut and ask if they got one, ask someone where they got something openly visible like a hat or bag, they say a store then act like you don't know where it is. When you feel the inevitable end of the the encounter Just smile and say thanks you'll have to check the place out. Just stupid dumb shit you really don't even care about just get em talking. Be polite and smile but be sorta brief at first. After a few times of this they'll start initiating convos with you and take it from there.

Part time* damnit. With grills at work i just ask how their day is going then respond appropriately from there. Always be in control of the conversation, ask questions and end the convo on your terms which generally means about 2-3 responses before you run out of things to say. Always try to anticipate all possible answers to the question you asked, ie good, meh or bad to how their day is and pre-form an answer to each one so you're one step ahead at all times.

>by "coincidence" she started to go to the gym same time as i do
>started chatting me up on exercises to improve her feminine appeal
>asked me to spot her on squats, etc
>at this time i hazard that she was playing the waiting game
>decided to take my risk and not be the reacher
>finally it comes out
>"user are you dating bookworm-chan?" with a smirk on her face
>i replied playfully "maybe. what's it to you though"
>her smirk disappeared
after that we kinda got awkward again. today is 9 months since that day, we graduated 3 months ago and just a month ago she suddenly gave me a call and asked me what i was doing etc since it was evident i wasnt dating bookworm girl. we went out to drink and alcohol did its magic. i lost my non-paid virginity then at the age of 26 years old, and now in a relationship with kinda okay girl. i wont complain since im not really the model male specimen, and this much is good enough. gym might not give you the physique you need since girls care more about face anyway but its a good gateway to improve your social life. and if you know more than the average dyel about lifting, if you lift way more than them, people will start chatting you up OP. we're all gonna make it brah

Virgin till 18. Got fit, started dressing well and learned how to socialize. Grew up getting called ugly and goofy looking, now have grown into my looks and girls call me hot and approach quite a bit now. Still fucks with my head. Just keep working and trying out new shit. Go to the bars and hit on every girl you find attractive. That little voice in your head will fuck with you, but just fucking do it. Girls are more nice than you think as long as you don't come off as a sleeze. Get her number or snap and just shoot the shit with her. No double texts or obsessive creep shit. You'll make it user

No part time job, just part time university and spend the rest of my day alone at home.
I appreciate the advice, but I just don't even know if it's something I can do.
I can talk fine with other guys, but I just don't know how to talk to girls, as much as that sounds like something a nervous 14 year old kid says.
I've had girls who have had crushes on me throughout my life, starting in primary school up to now, but I'm get too scared to talk to them.
Pretty sure they are the type of girls who like the 'tall mysterious guy' but I just don't know what to do at this point.

Whenever I talk to girls at university, I just speak to them like I speak to guys and obviously the conversation doesn't go anywhere, also doesn't help that 95% of my class mates are international students with English as their second language

I swear single sex schools should be outlawed for kids with poor social ability. I was doing fine until I was 9

You're going to habe to start trying knowing you'll fail in the beginning. When you're not naturally good at something you habe to understand it's gonna take a lot of trial and error till you get it down. Think of it like form when you started lifting, I cringe thinking how snap city I was doing deadlifts in the beginning. Practice is everything user
Don't be afraid to fail, just do better next time. Always improve yourself bro, no ones perfect so we all habe room to be better. Dont give up on yourself user, you can make it if you try.

>when i was younger i had a fucked up experience with pornography and a family member
Please elaborate user

same man, just turned 25

>uni degree with respectable job
>decently fit
>never been on a date
:(

its not hot or anything. its shameful and actually kind of lame. basically like an step-aunt used to live with my family. she was kind of old and not hot but she used to fall asleep in her room watching cheesy late night softcore pornos. one time when i was like 9 or 10 i came in her room and saw this and was basically freaking out since seeing titties was like physical pleasure going directly through my eyes into my body. after this i discovered TV porn and it made me want to try and actually act out sex. somehow i accidently learned to fap as a result of watching these dumb movies.

i would also go into her room and like try and grope her boobs and shit while she was sleeping. just imagine like the mix of fear and excitement as im doing this and sometimes she would wake up so i would try in my 10 year old mind to come up with an allaby, "oh lost my remote can i borrow yours haha," i always felt it was wrong and shit but its like a kid eating candy. its hard to stop it. i dont think kids are supposed to be exposed to sexual energy that young.

eventually since she lived with us for a while i would fap to her and watch her around the house and get a boner. one day when i was older i actually went up to her and tried to grab her ass when she was bending over cleaning or something. she freaked out and called all my parents and family and they flipped out on me and just felt like a disgusting idiot and actually wanted to die at that point. then i just decided to fap habitually to internet porn instead of having healthy relationships with girls because of shame

Thanks man I appreciate the encouragement. I think the worst part about the whole thing is realising that basically the only way to change it is stop being a pussy coward. Like you said, it's about being ok with rejection, and for some reason I'm so scared of it that I can't even think about attempting anything with a possibility of failure Its dumb, because conceptually I can recognise that rejection is often a positive step in development and yet I'm still a pussy.
Like I said before, getting girls attracted to me isn't the issue, it's just literally everything else

Last bit of advice, start trying with girls you're only mildly interested in. Taking an L on a girl you really care about sets you back way further. Dont try to go for those until you're genuinely comfortable with your game. And when you start wanting more than just losing your V card, be wary of girls you approach you because of your looks. If you only like someone because theyre hot, theres not much dedication. Find someone who you have a lot in common with, habe compatible personalities and care for each other beyond attractiveness. Dont worry man, I believe in you. As soon as you talk to a qt and get a real smile out of her it'll be infectious and you'll want it more. I know we are supposed to lift for thots but i love me some wimmins. Not to mention the test boost.

they with you because you're the "safest" option, they tired of being played

op is either fucked up ugly, nor he is incel, literally anyone who goes out and conversate with people can have sex

thanks for the advice, better than the usual, "Just go outside" advice.
It's sucks because people often think I'm stuck up or rude. It seems like if you don't look like an incel, people will have certain expectations, especially if you are tall or decent looking, and if you don't meet them, they think you are doing so purposefully. Pretty sure my default look is a little intimidating to strangers because I have a low brow with those eyes were no eyelids show.
Maybe you're right and it might just take the one first step to open up a lot of other things

Put down the weights and pick up a book to learn speaking properly. English is my second language and you're terrible at it.

>20 years old
>that awkward EXTREMELY skinnyfat dude who doesn't make friends at uni
>drink every day
>fail courses, drop out

Nao
>30 years old, DYEL but super shape compared to back then
>right now in bed hungover after dinner and party with dear friends
>I took myself an 8 years younger woman on the sofa last night (have a gf but I can have ONS)
>friend lets me snort some morning horse
>off to work soon (love my work) and then off to lift

It's an okay life and I owe it all to lifting. Also I meditate every day and very rarely drink (but when I do...)

>be 16yo lanklet at highschool
>It was type ghetto highschool for social outcasts young criminals poeople people who are like 15 and still at highschool stuff
>One day a fucker tried to mug me
>shove him off and tell him to go fuck himself while headbuttin him into oblivion
>after school got jumped by 5 guys that are his buddies and beat the everlovin shit out of me
>I put up a decent fight though
>decide to start wrkin out and picked up boxin
>ffw next year
>looked fuckin jacked went from 75 kg to 90 kg bw
>go to school first day in a tank top and looked fuckin jacked
>qts mirin "hey user when did you get so big?"
>same manlet with his friends aproaches me , he is jealous that i got girls attention and tries to start shit
>knocked him out with a right hook ,and proced to beat the next guy closest to him
>the other 3 guys are like fuck it and back off
>i got susspended from school for 5 days and the other twow guys that i beat were sent to the hospital

Nobody tried to start shit with me after that , the next two years went smoothly , began datin a qt classmate but we ended it after the school is over cause she migrated abroad
Fuck im 25 now and i miss that feelinf that noobie gains give you and that feeling of being alpha af

projecting hard bro