A lot of you aren't redpilled on the Meat Question. We on average eat way more meat than we did 500 years ago. It's been increasing ever since. We lost connection with how it's produced, we just go to the supermarket and buy whatever is cheap or tasty. There are three big reasons to start eating less meat:
>1) HEALTH: There have been many studies done on mortality and meat, especially processed meat, consumption and there is a positive association between lower mortality in particular due to cardiovascular diseases, but also to cancer. Still not convinced that meat is bad for your health? Watch this documentary for further redpills: WHAT THE HEALTH youtu.be/hJAKWQ6dDpQ >2) ENVIRONMENT: The livestock sector may be the largest source of water pollution (due to animal wastes, fertilizers, pesticides), and it contributes to emergence of antibiotic resistance. It accounts for over 8% of global human water use. It is by far the biggest cause of land use, as it accounts for nearly 40% of the global land surface. It is a significant driver of biodiversity loss, as it causes deforestation, ocean dead zones, land degradation, pollution, and overfishing. Still not convinced that animal agriculture is one of the biggest environmental threat? Watch this documentary for further redpills: COWSPIRACY youtu.be/S-XP79o8gqQ >3) ETHICS: Animals are sentient beings, they feel pain and suffering. Putting them into death camps and killing them is unethical. Animals are not property or a commodity. Still not convinced that eating meat isn't morally justifiable? Watch this documentary for further redpills: EARTHLINGS youtu.be/BrlBSuuy50Y
Eating less meat is the rational manly side not the emotionally atached woman side. Even Hitler was a vegetarian. Why aren't you eating fewer meat Veeky Forums?
Emotionally attached woman, who instead of giving arguments just want the thread to be pruned. Sad.
Nathan Wilson
Post links to back up points for 1) and 2), I’m not wasting time watching hour-long documentaries to proof which can be easily got from an science article >emotionally attached women >muh ethnics Wew lad
Nathaniel Morales
There are hundreds if not thousands of study relating to meat and health. This link basically provides all the sources and studies mentioned in the documentary: whatthehealthfilm.com/facts/ The same is with environment, lots of info to link. Luckily the I can do the same as above, because of the documentary maker being based. cowspiracy.com/facts/
>not caring about ethics Edgy
Christian Russell
>mfw people think anything that you want to do is immoral
Spooks out, I will slaughter all the animals on earth for fun if I want to
Adrian Richardson
>soy milk
Brody Allen
>user just eat peanut butter it's full of protein!
Nicholas Richardson
Making a post that says sage. Nice false flag self bump.
Samuel Ross
>conspiracy.com >reputable journalism
Also >watching documentaries Literally propaganda. Anything can be made to look correct in the absence of information
Joseph Wilson
t. Rapist >muh soy Fuck off Yes, there are other things you can eat too. Wasn't me COWspiracy you dyslexic fag, learn to read. >propaganda Fuck off, you could say that everything is propaganda. Doesn't mean it's bad.
Nathan James
how many vegans do you know who have full size adult pigs as pets?
James Powell
>what the health >watching absolutely shameless, undisguised vegancuck propaganda >not realising that growing the crops you depend on for your cult disguised as a diet require fertilisers that can only be produced by animal remains or as run off from the oil industry >not realising your diet literally DEPENDS on big oil and heinous agricultural subsidies to even exist >not realising that modern farming being a colossal monstrosity has nothing to do with meat consumption ljl
Michael Jackson
Now I'm curious what a piglet costs and how much an adult pig costs to feed Imagine walking down rural fucksville with a fucking pig on a leash
Anthony Bailey
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Noah Thomas
>watching absolutely shameless, undisguised vegancuck propaganda What's wrong with it, it's a good documentary >>not realising that growing the crops you depend on for your cult disguised as a diet require fertilisers that can only be produced by animal remains or as run off from the oil industry Not realizing there are non animal fertilizers non oil fertilizers. Also reducing meat consumption would lower overall fertilizer use. >not realising your diet literally DEPENDS on big oil and heinous agricultural subsidies to even exist Nope, you can grow food locally if you want. >not realising that modern farming being a colossal monstrosity has nothing to do with meat consumption Complete lie
Pigs are prey, dogs were originally hunting companions and probably pretty wild. Our ancestors hunted along side dogs as a team. Pigs had nothing to offer other than nourishment. Stop quoting vegan propaganda.
Mason Kelly
Sage this retard
Brody Nelson
>implying Pigs still get used for their strong sense of smell to find truffles. Also what does cultural difference matter when we're discussing sentience. >calls me a retard >zero arguments You're weak, pussy boy.
Liam Lopez
>strawman arguments >flawed logic >cherrypicking facts to fit your agenda/narrative >TROLLING OUTSIDE OF /b/ IN CLEAR VIOLATION OF SITE GLOBAL RULES
Evan Garcia
>>strawman arguments Do you even know what a stawman is >>flawed logic Kek, really? how? >>cherrypicking facts to fit your agenda/narrative I'm not cherrypicking mate those are the facts, prove me otherwise if you can. >hurr durr troll You're the one with zero arguments and retarded greentext. You're the troll.
Samuel Jackson
are people trolling or do they really think raising animals in shitty conditions to be tortured and killed for food is alright?
you can build muscle and live without meat so why not? (still fuck soy)
Robert Cooper
because its tasty AF. healthy (a diet with little to no red meat but a lot of white meat is awesome, im to lazy to show you the researches, just use google). and most importantly, it is not imoral, it might be unethic by some cuck standards but it does not worsen my sleep
Jaxson Foster
Human life is more important than animal life. It doesn't matter if they feel pain.
Isaac King
Bait
Adrian Gomez
Whatever mental gymnastics help you sleep at night, meatcuck
Gavin Hill
>cuck
I'm not the faggot who's too queasy about killing animals for food. You're a shame to all our ancestors.
Hudson Garcia
I like you
Gabriel Watson
Says the person who jumped through hoops to avoid accepting that the "moral" argument against humans killing animals also applies to animals killing animals. And humans and animals killing plants.
Joshua Phillips
>hurr durr causing unnecessary suffering is manly Are you a Savage? Real man are rational, you just have an irrational diet.
Elijah Cruz
Stop baiting so hard what an effort
Gabriel Wright
The meat you buy pre packaged is from a factory farm where animals are packed in horrible conditions. The mental gymnastics come in when you can get prefect nutrition without meat or for that matter from an ethical local farmer, but chose not to. Piss off
Brody Williams
If you wanna save the animals dont be a vegan, just don’t have kids. Much better chance. Wanna save the planet? Do the same. Wanna eat healthier? Stop buying into the dietary bullshit that meat is bad for you over a study that didn’t control for other lifestyle habits of meat eaters and has not been successfully recreated since. I know you’ll get your back up because you’ve devoted a lot of your time to learning and practicing and justifying your lifestyle and I’m sorry about that but you’ve been conned. Stop trying to drag others into your batshit Scientology tier cult. And pop and iron pill now and then
Ethan Thomas
>into your batshit Scientology tier cult. Kek, are you feeling the mental dissonance this hard? >Stop buying into the dietary bullshit that meat is bad It definitely is not good for you >a study There have been hundreds, no thousands of studies on meat and health mate. >If you wanna save the animals dont be a vegan, just don’t have kids. Much better chance. How about being vegan and raising your kids as vegans?
Benjamin White
>cognitive dissonance Kek what? I don’t think you know what that means. >Thousands of studies yah, sure. Have you actually checked? Or do you just get all your information from Netflix documentaries and take it as fact? The China study or example has been discredited. Meat not cholestorol are not bad for you, and carbs, especially refined ones are much worse than old nutrition “science” has stated. In fact you should flip your fat and carbs proportions. Have you actually bothered to research this properly? >raise your kids vegan As soon as they’re not under your roof you have no control of what they eat and honestly if you’re not going to feed them a balanced diet including meat proteins you shouldn’t have kids anyway.
By Minger? the english major with a blog? Pls tell me more joe rogan's podcast.
There's no reason to eat animal products- they don't contain anything we need that we can't get from plants, and bacteria.
You can do okay healthwise without being wfpb vegan- but only if you're eating 2 servings of fish a week tops. And who the fuck is doing that besides bad boy adventists?
I've gone over hundreds of pro meat studies. Every fucking one of them is 1. an animal model not replicated in humans. 2. a frankenstein meta analysis with bias weighing on meat/dairy/egg industry funded (poorly designed) studies. 3. Calorie deficits doing the work of "improved bio markers". 4. Biased sampling- for instance of patients with cholesterol so high additional animal products aren't going to budge. 5. Confounders that prevent conclusions drawn from data- socioeconomic and caloric intake are a favorite.
There are literally zero well constructed pro -animal product studies and yet the shitty studies funded by industry are blasted from every corner of the internet and media.
Jaxson Hernandez
muh stadis
Joshua Hughes
>yah, sure. Have you actually checked? Yes I have checked out some good studies, I'm not a full time researcher but I do find nutrition interesting. >The China study or example has been discredited. How? >Meat not cholestorol are not bad for you I don't get this sentence. Cholesterol is bad meat and dairy contain cholesterol, simple as that. >carbs A low fat high (complex) carb diet is very healthy. >including meat proteins Nah, not necessary. Great argument It's a good documentary, what's wrong with it?
Zachary Stewart
>All those blog links Kek, do you got real studies because I'm not bothered to click on them. Nice copypasta. Saturated fat is bad, it increases cholesterol and cholesterol causes hearth disease. The meat and deary industry is creating FUD and funding bullshit studies. Again, give me real studies not bullshit articles written by who knows who. theveganrd.com/2016/07/how-science-based-medicine-gets-vegan-diets-wrong/ Everything in What The Health is backed up by research. Again give fucking credible sources, I can Google why the earth is flat and could spam hundreds of links. If those articles contain good arguments than it won't be to difficult to present them. I will gladly have an argument so I can show you how those articles might be misleading.
Isaiah Butler
lmfao you retarded ass vegans just love to sling the word cognitive dissonance but the second you are presented with facts about how meat contains complete proteins that our bodies use more efficiently than plants [1] you types go in full rage mode and sling claims about how meat eaters don't do any "research".
gotta agree with this guy its a trash documentary that cherry picks incomplete and poorly done studies to push an agenda
Leo Carter
Is all protein created equal? No—not all protein has the same effect on your kidneys. Our kidneys appear to handle plant protein very differently from animal protein. Within hours of consuming meat, our kidneys rev up into hyperfiltration mode, dramatically increasing the kidneys’ workload. This is true of a variety of animal proteins—beef, chicken, and fish appear to have similar effects. But an equivalent amount of plant protein causes virtually no noticeable stress on the kidneys. Eat some tuna, and within three hours, your kidney filtration rate can shoot up 36 percent. But eating the same amount of protein in the form of tofu doesn’t appear to place any additional strain on the kidneys.
Why does animal protein cause the overload reaction while plant protein doesn’t? Researchers discovered that after giving subjects a powerful anti-inflammatory drug along with animal protein, the hyperfiltration response disappeared, suggesting the hyperactive response was triggered by inflammation.
Animal protein may also play a role in cancer risk. IGF-1, insulin-like growth factor 1, is a cancer-promoting growth hormone that is released in excess when we eat animal protein. This is presumably why those who eat less meat, egg white, or dairy proteins have significantly lower levels circulating within their bodies within weeks of making the dietary switch. This lowering of IGF-1 levels is thought to be why the blood of men and women eating plant-based diets suppresses prostate and breast cancer growth in vitro significantly better than those eating the Standard American Diet.
Lucas King
>incomplete and poorly done studies Name one
Gavin Nguyen
I eat less meat when I can't afford to buy organic. I live in a state where hunting is easy mode though, so deer will be my main meat source eventually. I think it's important to remember that this stuff isn't all black and white. Some people need more meat than others depending on genetics and lifestyle. When I'm training frequently I need red meat. The difference is huge. I'm the guy that was once an aspiring vegetarian. I spent years consuming large quantities of veggies every day, worrying about fat and cholesterol, and was just spinning my wheels. When you read studies or watch documentaries look at the details before making up your mind. Where did they get the meat for this study, and what kind of diet were the animals on? What kind of study was it? Was it controlled for? Who funded the study? Documentaries can be very alluring and hypnotizing, but don't be an idiot. Learn to think, OP.
Connor Carter
Many vegans and vegetarians are asked how they get enough protein. An analysis of the eating records of a large sample of people following plant-based diets showed that, on average, they got 70% more protein than they needed every day. Beans, including canned beans, are an excellent plant protein source, as are lentils and split peas. Other examples include nuts, seeds, and soy.
The type of protein a person eats–primarily plant-based or primarily animal-based—matters to one’s health as food is a package deal: the protein cannot be isolated from other elements in the food. Overall, plant protein may provide healthier nutrients than animal protein. In the 1950’s, researchers found that coronary heart disease was almost non-existent among Ugandans, who consume their protein almost entirely from plant sources. Plant protein consumption may be linked to lower risk of heart disease, while the intake of animal protein can be associated with increased risk. Plant protein also appears linked to lower cancer risk than animal protein.
Nutritional research studies have found potential associations between a diet high in plant protein and the following beneficial effects:
>Lower risk of allergies >Lower risk of bladder cancer >Lower blood pressure >Smaller BMI and slimmer waist >Lower total cholesterol >Phosphorus management for those suffering from chronic kidney disease >Lower risk of Crohn’s disease >Lower risk of endometrial cancer >Lower heart disease and cancer mortality >Lower risk of inflammatory bowel disease and ulcerative colitis >Life extension >Beneficial effects on psychological disorders linked to low serotonin levels >Better preservation of muscle mass as one ages >Beneficial effects for Parkinson’s disease patients >Lower risk of premature puberty >Slower progression of prostate cancer
Austin Long
Okay but your tofu isn't made of the same amino acid chains as tuna is. Therefore; you are going to lack essential amino acids you NEED to survive, Vegans seem to have this way of thinking that all protein is the same without even knowing what it is. A chain of amino acids. And yes of course eating meat is going to make your kidneys "rev up". It's the organs fucking job. If you are properly hydrating and getting adequate sleep, they will recover and do just fine. The problem is a lot of these studies are done mostly on people who lead sedentary lifestyles; the true cause for ill health, no matter what you fucking eat. I don't give a fuck if you eat plants. I hate you fucks judging MY morality based on my dietary choices; when my life revolves around the safety and rescue of people and property. You aren't saving the fucking planet by eating plants.
Dominic Kelly
>study done in the 1950's stopped reading there
Caleb Ortiz
It's less you fucking retard. You can't count meat.
James Anderson
You know steroids are extracted from animals right?
Julian Evans
>Some people need more meat than others depending on genetics and lifestyle. Nope, actually not true. There is no nutrient that you can't get from a plant based whole food diet. In fact overall nutrition and vitamin intake go up on a plant based diet from a meat based diet. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/ Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/ >look at the details before making up your mind I do >Learn to think, OP. I do
Lincoln Martinez
I'm eating meat right now, mate. I can tell you right now that you pooftas need to eat MORE meat, not less.
Jonathan Russell
Story of this thread >Vegan cuck screaming about how meat is terrible >Gets presented website links and facts that back up the benefits of meat >”OH MY GOD GIVE CREDITIBLE AND FACTUAL INFORMATION IF YOURE GONNA MAKE AN ARGUMENT TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIM” >Vegan uses biased sources and vegan backed or based websites for their information >”LMAO MEATKEKS GET BLOWN OUT I HAVE GOODER FACTS THEN YOURS SO EAT FEWER MEATS”
Hunter Lopez
You fucking w0t m8? "I Only belieb in siens from dis year" "Newton a old faggy bish" "Grabity is sooo old niqqa why u stoopid" "Einstein die long tiem go cuz he dum" "mee so smart" "siens chang erry decade u kno?"
Jason Reed
>you are going to lack essential amino acids you NEED to survive Nope, which one? >I hate you fucks judging MY morality based on my dietary choices; You don't think animal suffering is a real issue?
Thomas Turner
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Jackson Butler
>BTFO! BTFO!
Jack Reyes
One meat, two meats
Luis Carter
> to eat MORE meat, Any argumentation for that or just sounds cool?
Jacob Harris
>Post from 5 minutes ago stopped reading there
Colton Cruz
Eating meat is the only way for plebeians to absorb the prana from the creature's flesh since they don't have magic circuits.
Joshua Sanders
Kek, are you retarded? Where do I do that? Please I'm willing to have an honest discussion yet you act like I don't.
Wyatt Thompson
based as fuck
People want to hear good news about their bad habits. It doesn't matter that the news came from a blog that used an industry-funded study to write a clickbait headline.
Healthline is a wonderfully great site too; so I don't need to hear any shit about it not being a quality source.
>Morality I absolutely do think animal suffering is a real issue, which brings up my next point I love to bring. Vegans love to show pictures and videos of animal factories are cruel processes; but completely ignore animal farms. Pastures in which the animals have big open fields to roam and feast upon, are sincerely cared for by their farmers and raised fed and treated in the highest regard. And when it comes time for harvest; they are killed with a hunter's sense of morality; the quickest, least painful death for the animal. If you can't agree with that being the highest level of morals in which humans can create a supply of meat; you're either a big juicy pussy or you'll deny it to prove your point. I am 100% for that level of treatment for animals and would love to see animal factories shut down. "Farms, not factories." I encourage everyone I come in contact with and establish relations with to buy meat from the local farmers. It's higher quality, non-processed, and the farmers even let you come see all the animals and feed them and what not depending where you are. But it's okay, I'm sure you'll deny the existence of such practices. I'm very enthusiastic about health and nutrition and you will not achieve your goals by trying to convince everyone to not eat meat. But you can convince anyone to join efforts to stop factories. And if you're so hell bent on saving the earth, why not come be a wildland firefighter? You'll actually make a difference there.
Joseph Jenkins
Here I'll spoonfeed you another study. A 2017 systematic review by the American Heart Association of randomized controlled clinical trials showed that reducing intake of dietary saturated fat and replacing it with monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats could reduce cardiovascular disease by about 30%, similar to the reduction achieved by statin treatment for maintaining blood cholesterol within normal limits. circ.ahajournals.org/content/circulationaha/early/2017/06/15/CIR.0000000000000510.full.pdf?download=true
Aaron Anderson
Are you actually that stupid or are you just pretending?
Blogs written by unqualified frauds aren't sources.
Christopher Carter
Yeah I'm familiar. Properly portioning your consumption of meat is important. It doesn't mean eating meat has no health benefits. There ARE health benefits to eating meat that cannot be denied.
Josiah Myers
There are also health benefits to smoking cigarettes, but most of us choose not to because the negatives outweigh the positives.
Leo Powell
Comparing food in which our body has been designed to process to smoke in which we were never intended to inhale is a rather poor comparison. My parents have ate meat all their lives and they are happy healthy and function quite well into old age, as many other people do.
Blake Kelly
>haha these two thing aren't exactly the same so you can't compare them haha
Love this meme.
Andrew Ross
man this thread has turned to shit
Grayson Cox
>healthline.com/nutrition/7-nutrients-you-cant-get-from-plants#section5 >B12 B12 doesn't come from animals (see pic) and THE HEALTHIEST, CHEAPEST, SAFEST SOURCE OF VITAMIN B12 IS A FORTIFIED FOOD OR SUPPLEMENT nutritionfacts.org/video/cheapest-source-of-vitamin-b12/ drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/nov/b12.htm >Creatine Naturally produced in our body >Carnosine Also naturally produced >Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3) Sunlight, also D2 found in plant foods >Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA) Can be formed in the body by stringing together short omega 3's found in plants. Also DHA can be found in algae. >Heme-iron Normal iron can be found in plant foods >Taurine Produced in body
Joseph Ortiz
Okay let's go ahead and compare them then. Meat is extremely beneficial for growing muscle, and contains all nine essential amino acids for healthy functioning. Eat too much and stay sedentary; you might, maybe then develop cardiovascular complications. Smoking cigarettes is good for vasodilation; but there are obvious extreme risks to your respiratory system as a penalty; regardless of how little or how much you smoke it will be there. The hazards of meat can be reduced by proper portion, an overall well balanced diet, and exercise, while smoking is dangerous no matter what. Fuck you.
Carson Hall
Never once have I stated you can't get these from plants. My statement is that meat is complete protein your body uses more efficiently. And if you're going to state the nutrients that naturally occur in our bodies is justifiable cause to not consume more to replace it and follow up by saying iron is found in plant foods and not realize that iron is also naturally produced in our bodies you really need to do some basic anatomy and biology studies before you make all these ridiculous claims that your diet is supposedly superior. My point is always the same in debating with vegans. I am not saying that your diet is unhealthy, a bad decision or unsustainable if you do it properly. My statement is that meat is healthy, stop pretending that it isn't to push an agenda.
Vegans would benefit greatly if their research wasn't so selective.
Gabriel Foster
>My statement is that meat is healthy, stop pretending that it isn't to push an agenda.
Care to prove that? Vegans have been posting studies proving how detrimental meat is to human health.
>stop pretending that it isn't to push an agenda
An agenda of less suffering and death, less pollution, and better health for everyone? Wow, vegans have such an insidious agenda. I know we want to take away your chicken tendies but it's about time you start making logical choices in life.
Parker Barnes
>>Morality You can't kill an animal humanely. Also we can't supply the demand of meat with pastured animals. We don't have the space.
Thomas White
That's great. I never denied plant based diets as having benefits. Any diet has health benefits if done properly. Each diet comes with disadvantages and advantages. Vegans always get so defensive even when none of the claims of being a vegan is unhealthy have been made. Why?
Ryder Rivera
Yeah if you live in cuckland California or NYC. Go visit the mid-west where the grass is greener on the other side.
Nathaniel Morris
Did you even read your own link or did you just copy paste it when you read "Creatine Deficiency"?
Julian Roberts
The defensive ones are meat eaters that feel threatened by the existence of vegans and the thousands of well-designed studies showing the benefits of plants and the dangers of animal products.
