Veeky Forums, why aren't you eating the most healthy diet?

Eat a whole-food plant based diet!

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Because meat is healthy and cheap here.

What's wrong with eating all those veggies and then also having meat?

Whole food plant-based is more healthy.

whole-food plant based diet is the best!

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864/
>vegan diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate

The suffering of the animals increases the protein in the meat.

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Onions aren't vegan.

idc if this is bait
I'm not going to live a difficult, inconvenient life where can't go out to eat, forced to read every label and deny myself a plethora of enjoyable foods just to possibly live a bit longer

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Supplementing with pea protein and rice protein is enough for protein. For fat? Avocado, macadamia nut, coconut oil, hemp seeds etc
tons of options for vegans
b12? nutritional yeast. k2? natto and sauerkraut
t. meat eater who supports veganism + hunted meat

This
They are.
Most restaurants have plant based options.

THE ANCIENT MASTERS DISAGREE

The suffering of the animal increases cortisol in the meat. That's why it's best to kill as quickly and humanely as possible.

In 1990, most years of healthy life were lost reportedly to undernutrition, such as diarrheal diseases in malnourished children, but now the greatest disease burden may be attributed to high blood pressure, a disease of overnutrition. The pandemic of chronic disease has been ascribed in part to the near-universal shift toward a diet dominated by processed foods and animal-sourced foods—more meat, oils, dairy, soda, eggs, sugar, salt, and refined grains.

How can scientists parse out the effects of specific foods? Researchers studied lapsed vegetarians. People who once ate vegetarian diets but then started to eat meat at least once a week experienced a 146 percent increase in odds of heart disease, a 152 percent increase in stroke, a 166 percent increase in diabetes, and a 231 percent increase in odds for weight gain. During the 12 years after the transition away from eating vegetarian, meat-eating was associated with a 3.6 year decrease in life expectancy.

Researchers have shown that a more plant-based diet may help prevent, treat, or reverse some of our leading causes of death, including heart disease, type 2 diabetes, and high blood pressure. Interventional studies of plant-based diets have shown, for example, 90 percent reductions in angina attacks within just a few weeks. Plant-based diet intervention groups have reported greater diet satisfaction than control groups, as well as improved digestion, increased energy, and better sleep, and significant improvement in their physical functioning, general health, vitality, and mental health. Studies have shown plant-based eating can improve not only body weight, blood sugar levels, and ability to control cholesterol, but also emotional states, including depression, anxiety, fatigue, sense of well-being, and daily functioning.

my mom keeps buying potato chips
im not NOT going to binge on them
she keeps buying them because someone keeps eating them

Only one way of eating has ever been proven to reverse heart disease in the majority of patients: a diet centered around whole plant foods. If that’s all a whole-food, plant-based diet could do—reverse our number-one killer—shouldn’t that be the default diet until proven otherwise? The fact it may also be effective in preventing, treating, and arresting other leading killers seems to make the case for plant-based eating simply overwhelming.

>my mom
he lives with parents

my family loves me and i love my family
not everyone is so lucky

this applies to a lot of Veeky Forums

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user... this is the excuse fat peoole use when asked why they don't eat better.

PETA... nah, I am a meat eater

>see shit thread
>immediately boil lobster for those zinc + cholesterol T gainz

Proof?

Post foodporn

am wfpb. It's a cure all. Cleared up acne. Dropped to a healthy bmi. Fixed anxiety and depression. Cardio went through the roof. Lifting stronger and longer.

Honestly dunno how I or anyone else managed to live so many years eating animal products, sugar, salt, and oil.

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ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21377950
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>Phthalates affect the genital development of lab rats
> recent human studies have also shown adverse effects on sexual health and development
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LOW FAT, PLANT-BASED DIET IS MORE THAN TWICE AS POWERFUL AT CONTROLLING AND/OR REVERSING DIABETES, THAN THE ADA DIET RECOMMENDING MEAT AND DAIRY
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ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2782970/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3483430/
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ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3921224/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2671114/
>soy
Seriously fuck off

YOU CAN STOP AND REVERSE HEART DISEASE WITHPLANT-BASED DIETS
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/188274
health.harvard.edu/heart-health/halt-heart-disease-with-a-plant-based-oil-free-diet-
jainhospitals.com/pdf/can-lifestyle-changes-reverse-coronary-heart-disease.pdf
jainhospitals.com/pdf/can-lifestyle-changes-reverse-coronary-heart-disease.pdf
WHEN PEOPLE ADOPT A FULLY PLANT-BASED DIET THEIR CHOLESTEROL LEVELS PLUMMET WITHIN A FEW DAYS
nutritionmd.org/nutrition_tips/nutrition_tips_understand_foods/cholesterol_lowering.html
jaha.ahajournals.org/content/4/10/e002408
WHEN PEOPLE ADOPT A FULLY PLANT-BASED DIETBLOOD PRESSURE COMES DOWN
nutritionstudies.org/high-blood-pressure/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684131/
99.4% WERE ABLE TO AVOID MAJOR CARDIAC EVENTSBY GOING PLANT-BASED
dresselstyn.com/JFP_06307_Article1.pdf
CROHN'S DISEASE & MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS REMISSION RATES BEST EVER ACHIEVED FROM PLANT-BASED DIET
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4315368/
nutritionfacts.org/2013/05/21/plant-based-diets-for-multiple-sclerosis/

SUPPRESSION OF HUMAN PROSTATE CANCER AND BREAST CANCER CELL GROWTH GIVEN THE BLOOD OF A VEGAN, IN VITRO
ornish.com/wp-content/uploads/Intensive_Lifestyle_Changes_and_Prostate_Cancer.pdf
pritikin.com/eperspective/specialissues/cancer/cancerabstract.pdf
nutritionfacts.org/video/developing-an-ex-vivo-cancer-proliferation-bioassay/

VEGAN BLOOD CURES CANCER, HOW CAN MEAT EATERS EVEN COMPETE!!!

Because there's like 10 calories total in your pic and I can't shit the gold bars required to afford hitting my macros.

>t. real estate jew
No pointless shekels for you

Just fuck off OP. This isn't YouTube or some other normalfag site. You don't need to shout.

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Not a big eater so i drink one of these everyday.

>Inb4 there's loads of salt in V8

Good, stops me cramping up.

Nuts & seeds, dried fruits, whole wheat products, advocado, etc these are good foods to gain calories with.

All it actually shows is that vegetable induced fasting can reverse damage done from the modern lifestyle.

Can this actually make an omnivore who eats whole organic foods better and healthier?

S-sorry

I eat 7 servings of fruits and vegetables a day, so don't think I'm some carnivore dummy. But there are certain animal products that really aren't bad for you or even have positive effects. Fatty fish is definitely positive. Studies on dairy (both full and non fat) are mixed and effects are small. Also, don't lump all oils together. Olive oil is great for you. PUFA, maybe not.

Vitamin intake, overall nutrition go up on a plant-based diet from a meat-based diet
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/

wut

>3.99 per lb of jalapeños

White people stay getting cucked lmao

I eated it :(

do you actually believe vegans eat nothing but low-calorie veggies?

Meme me on diets, I want to lose 40 lbs.

i wish i knew a way to still be fit and go to gym everyday on a vegan diet, id switch immediately if there was a way

This would imply I'm unhealthy have high blood pressure and diabetes which isnt the case. Going vegan is mostly beneficial for the average american who eats """""""meat"""""" from mcdonalds with 300g of sugar on the side.

what's left? beans and potatoes. Fuck off vegan shills

Most of the fat in fish isn't the good kind- and 2 serving a week is the most (with no other animal products) that's been shown not to be detrimental. This doesn't mean fish is good for you- since you can get your omegas from flax, walnuts, algae... without any potetial added risk from contaminants, saturated fats and animal proteins.

There's nothing good about dairy. Just a high fat, sat fat, cholesterol, high calorie, low nutrient junk food.

Oils aren't great for you- not even olive oil. Sure it's got polyphenols- but so what. It's 90 calories per gram. It's 120 calories per tablespoon. Zero percent satiating. Like all oils, it still paralyzes your arteries and reduces endothelial function- just not as much as butter or hydrogenated oils. Don't defend this shit tier shill show- olives are good for you olive oil isn't.

>the most nutrient dense animal meat is literally fucking toxic if you try to get all the nutrients in your diet from it

Enjoy your 30000+% recommended daily allowance of copper organ eating cucks.

I have prediabetic sympthoms, switched to keto and now they're healing up and I feel more stable and better overall so no.

ur argument is dumb, fat, cholesterol (HDL) and calories aren't bad

>cholesterol (HDL)
Lmao, look at every ketonerd's blood markers on youtube, their LDL is always above the upper healthy range, no exception unles they are on a massive caloric deficit and they use always the same shitty excuse, that LDL doesn't matter and total cholesterol also doesn't matter.

Newsflash, all the foods you eat have either saturated fat or transfats, both promote higher LDL levels the more you eat them.

SOY BOY THREAD

your body produces 3000mg of cholesterol per day and will adapt by producing less if you eat more and a keto or primal diet has worked for humans for thousands of years so what's the problem

>zero arguments

hdl doesn't improve health outcomes. Just associated with good health- increases when you stop smoking, exercise ...etc.

Too many calories are a problem for many people in civilized countries. Maybe not in the 3rd world shit hole you live in.

Oats are the future.

So? Meat is tasty and a good source of vitamins

Blood cholesterol levels are clearly increased by eating dietary cholesterol. In other words, putting cholesterol in our mouth means putting cholesterol in our blood, and it may also potentiate the harmful effects of saturated fats, meaning when we eat sausage and eggs, the eggs may make the effects of the sausage even worse. If you eat the saturated fat and cholesterol found in two sausage and egg McMuffins every day for two weeks, your cholesterol would shoot up nearly 30 points. If you eat about the same amount of saturated fat without the cholesterol, some kind of cholesterol-free sausage McMuffins without the egg, what would happen? Now the egg would have saturated fat too; so, to even it out, we have to add three strips of bacon to the comparison. Same saturated fat but two-eggs-worth less cholesterol would bump us up only around five points. So, saturated fat may increase fasting cholesterol levels more than dietary cholesterol, but especially in the presence of dietary cholesterol.

And this is measuring fasting cholesterol, meaning the baseline from which all our meal-related cholesterol spikes would then shoot. Heart disease has been described as a postprandial phenomenon, meaning an after-meal phenomenon. Milky little droplets of fat and cholesterol, called chylomicrons, straight from a meal called can build up in atherosclerotic plaques just like LDL cholesterol.

Are you saying your body is a perfect machine that reduces cholesterol synthesis for the exact ammount of cholesterol you ingest?
Are you saying your body completely ceases to synthesize cholesterol if enough is eaten?

So going from eating poorly and too much too eating better and less(indirectly because plants are less calorie dense and we can't fully process all of the calories in them) has good health outcomes for horribly unfit people?

Wow.
Now tell me why a healthy omnivorous organic diet is worse then a total vegan diet.
I'll wait.

Ketogenic diets reduce insulin sensitivity though, they never get rid of the problem, they just reduce the symptoms.
Think about it, if you naturally have a very low glucose intake, your body is gonna make itself resistant to insulin in order to not drop your blood glucose to deadly levels.

>believing human ancestors lived like the flintstones

Even modern hunter gatherers with better technology rarely eat meat and subsist almost entirely on plant sources of food. They manage to get meat about once a week tops in the best conditions- while most getting meat every couple of weeks.

Because I can’t make things taste good and food allergies. I don’t eat meat ether though because it tastes like shit too. I pretty much just eat sugars, carbs and water and am unfit as all hell.

Just got home from Filiberto's. 4 chicken SOFT tacos and a huge soda. I ordered them soft so they weren't fried. And I had a big side of spicy carrots and jalapeños. That is super healthy.

To see what effect an increase in meat consumption might have on disease rates, researchers studied lapsed vegetarians. People who once ate vegetarian diets but then started to eat meat at least once a week were reported to have experienced a 146 percent increase in odds of heart disease, a 152 percent increase in stroke, a 166 percent increase in diabetes, and a 231 percent increase in odds for weight gain. During the 12 years after the transition from vegetarian to omnivore, meat-eating was associated with a 3.6 year decrease in life expectancy.
Results published in 2012 from two major Harvard University studies—the Nurses’ Health Study, which followed the diets of about 120,000 30- to 55-year-old women starting in 1976, and the Health Professionals Follow-Up Study, which followed about 50,000 men aged 40 to 75—found that the consumption of both processed and unprocessed red meat appeared to be associated with an increased risk of dying from cancer and heart disease, as well as shortened life spans overall—a conclusion reached even after controlling for age, weight, alcohol consumption, exercise, smoking, family history, caloric intake, and even the intake of whole plant foods, such as whole grains, fruits, and vegetables. The findings suggest there may be something harmful in the meat itself.
The largest study of diet and health was co-sponsored by the National Institutes of Health and the American Association of Retired Persons. Over a decade, researchers followed about 545,000 men and women aged 50 to 71 and came to the same conclusion as the Harvard researchers: Meat consumption was associated with increased risk of dying from cancer, dying from heart disease, and dying prematurely in general. Again, this was after controlling for other diet and lifestyle factors.

Just about every evolutionary scientist says you're wrong.

Our modern bodies would not be able to process meat if we only had it "once a week." Honestly, the opposite is probably true; hunter-gathers more likely than not consumed plant-based foods rarely since humans (and other mammals like pandas) do a poor job processing low-calorie foods.

Vegans cannot replace thousands of years of evolution with 21st century ethics. Take the human body on face value.

i eat keto vegan on IF

>People who once ate vegetarian diets but then started to eat meat at least once a week were reported to have experienced a 146 percent increase in odds of heart disease, a 152 percent increase in stroke, a 166 percent increase in diabetes, and a 231 percent increase in odds for weight gain

What else did they eat? What was their carb intake? These are the questions that vegans can never answer. Nor do they want to. The enemy is not meat. The enemy is excess carbs depositing as fat in and around the heart.

Been discussing with friends and family about going Vegan these past few weeks.
Give me a day or too for mental preparation and I am going for it.

Wasted quads

I'm not even vegan and I know this is bullshit.
Most of the calories consumed by hunter-gatherers were from plants.

It's not that there's anything specific necessary in order to "process meat", it's a digestion that is entirely enzyme based and requires a small stomach, even pure herbivores that thrive eating the same fucking thing all day like ruminants can eat meat without any digestive distress.

The issue here is that humans just like all herbivores have issues getting rid of excess vitamin A which is found in enormous ammounts in land animal flesh, unlike pure omnivores and carnivores, cholesterol too, copper/zinc/iron, etc.
Some carnivores eat up to 20 fucking kilos of meat a day, with a gigantic ammount of copper/iron/zinc that is very toxic, but their bodies are able to hande it.
If you were to eat 2kg of meat a day for years, you would eventually suffer from it due to the enormous ammount of vitamin A(tens of thousands of times higher concentrations than is recommended for humans) and specific minerals like zinc copper and iron.

>don't think I'm some dummy
>polyunsaturated fats are bad for you

That doesn't tell us anything.
We have no fucking clue as to what kind of diet or lifestyle those people lead after their "vegetarian" diet.

And all of those death markers you're talking about is the thing with cholesterol again.

Not a good idea bro. On a high fat, ketogenic diet, our bodies become insulin resistant.

>super healthy
This is bait

what is empiricism?

Because saturated fats, cholesterol, contamination, inflammation, etc.

Checked! Nice!

Do it.
It is both easy and rewarding.

Meat and dairy is unnecessary and contain cholesterol and saturated fat, processed foods are harmful thus a whole food plant based diet is the superior diet.

>just about every evolutionary scientist
>zero sources cited

Go check out Thomas, or Warinner. Go check out Melamed and Goren-Inbar. If you're too dumb to read academics- go find Zimmer's NYT piece. There's an article in Nature about it- don't remember who wrote it - but it was an academic. There are literally ZERO academics in paleoanthropology that think our ancestors were regularly eating meat filled diets. Meat was rare for most people- no matter what your broscience blogs say.

Populations in the artic are an exception, but yeah you would be right.
Even neanderthals had a good ammount of wild grains and starches in their diet.

Cholesterol doesn't cause inflamation.
As a matter of fact, cholesterol is a problem because it's a bandaid for the circulatory system and seals off the wounds caused by excess sugars and carbohydrates.
That's the problem.

Our bodies produce more cholesterol then we'd eat. And intaking external cholesterol helps in innumerable ways.

>we are animals
>nature doesn't give a fuck about morality

>Olive oil is great for you
youtube.com/watch?v=lbALgjmZUek

because when i stopped eating meat i felt weak and hungry all the time and i felt like i was slowly dying

>mfw my advisor and i just submitted a research proposal about using this shit to cure cancer
>mfw i don't want my name anywhere near it

Oh boy more soyboy vegan faggot threads. Hey guys what vegans, sorry to tell ya but it's impossible to live without eating animal meat. Just existing you're eating your own fat ya silly dingus. You evil carnivore eating yourself ;(!!!! Well that's what your body WOULD consume if youd stop shovelling cake and ice cream down your ham guzzle lecturing ME about cholestral. At least be vegetarian and eat eggs ya weiners. Dietary cholesterol is not bad cholesterol delusional soylets

I didn't say that cholesterol causes inflammation but things like arachidonic acid.
>And intaking external cholesterol helps in innumerable ways.
This is false! Your body makes enough cholesterol, eating more is just unhealthy.

>let's rape, the argument.
Kek

>and a good source of vitamins

No it isn't.

Why?
EATING 1 EGG PER DAY IS JUST AS BAD AS SMOKING 5 CIGARETTES PER DAY FOR LIFE EXPECTANCY
nutritionfacts.org/video/eggs-vs-cigarettes-in-atherosclerosis/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3105270/pdf/kwq368.pdf
med.mcgill.ca/epidemiology/hanley/c609/articles/EggyolkPlaqueSmoking.pdf

>Not growing your own food or at least buying local

there is a way, you just need to do a well thought-out plant-based diet
there's plenty of vegan bodybuilders, look them up

you need to find replacements with enough calories, and eat a lot of carbs

Because despite knowing their our sources out there. I am too stupid to effectively eat healthy