Last week, my doctor told me I probably have T2 diabetes and damage to my liver and pancreas. Yesterday a sonogram confirmed I have NAFL. I've never drank, never smoked, I'm not overweight, I'm physically active, and I've never had health problems in my life. Now, my cholesterol is high. My insulin resistance is shit.
My life is fucking ruined because of Keto. Stay away from this fucking dog shit diet. I don't fucking know what to do any more. The doctor recommended a nutritionist- but fucking nutritionists are recommending this stupid shit in the first place. Where do I go? What do I do? I don't want to be on pills for the rest of my life. I don't want to monitor my blood glucose. I don't want to stab myself three times a day for the next 50 years. What the fuck do I do now???
See a dietitian. They actually have a license to practice and have at least a masters degree in the subject. Nutritionists are the astrologists of the diet world.
Your dumb ass probably won't take my advice because only an idiot eats a keto diet without doing the research and realizing that it is dangerous to restrict blood sugar to such low levels. Might want to read up on ketoacidosis and how dangerous that is to diabetics.
Christopher Reed
take a pic of the diagnosis, cover the name with a timestamp
Logan Hughes
Like with any other diet regiment, it matters what's you're eating. A bunch of eggs and red meat will fuck up your cholesterol.
Nathan Roberts
>op gets betus >op doesn't post proof
Jace Sanders
diabetes isn't a drawl
Grayson Martin
You will damage your endocrine system going full keto if you are already T2. Most likely you were already prediabetic and keto just accelerated your diabetes. Get a glucometer and keep a log of fasting sugars right upon waking and 2 hours after every meal. Will help docs and yourself change your diet/activities/medications. Get recommendations from endocronologist to rule out thyroid and other autoimmune diseases.
Brandon Scott
Most cases keto reverses prediabetes. You likely were headed to it already and have auto-immune problems. Keto changes your insulin response because you literally don't use it for the duration that you diet for. If your insulin response is bad after keto you had something seriously wrong with you in the first place.
Nathaniel Brown
BULLSHIT!!! BULLSHIT!!! BULLSHIT!!!
So why do I suspect this is yet another Vegan thread? Because he would be a medical marvel if he managed to damage liver and pancreas by not eating carbohydrates from Big Grain. A future study for a Nobel Prize in medicine no doubt.
I second this. Feel free to add Dr explanation on how this happened.
Charles Cook
>follow a retarded fad diet >diet fucks your health moral of the story don't listen to advice from idiots
Julian Howard
Post your diet plan and regimen. I on a keto with cheat days for years, never been healthier in my life. Chances are, you have fucked it up, prolly too much protein and/or eating too often
Nathaniel Bell
Are you retarded? Do you think doctors just hand you a note that says you have prediabetes? He showed me a chart with some circled numbers. Rambled about intramyocellular lipids. Told me to immediately stop consuming high fat foods. Gave me some pamphlets about food and a business card for a nutritionist.
I have to go back in a month and again in 6 months to see if I can regress the fat accumulation on my liver. If there's no change he's going to put me on metformin.
Literally nothing in my house is low fat. I have four jars of coconut oil that I can't use. A few pounds of butter, cheeses and meats. I am fucked.
Nicholas Bailey
You thought eating an 80% fat diet would be good for your glucose metabolism?
Eating all fats like a fucking retard.... Your body needs fucking carbs dummy. Fat should be limited and not all saturated like in coconut oil.
Justin Brown
Can you post your meal routine? Are you bulking on keto? I have been diagnosed with celiac disease (no gluten anymore) last week, and I'm really trying to get this keto-diet thing going, but I guess bulking is kinda hard / expensive?
Blake Powell
(((your body needs carbs))). Good goy, eat that processed wheat
Caleb Butler
Post body
Mason Kelly
Good shaubposters deserve a slow and painful death
Logan Garcia
Wing it, mostly. Usually some variation of this:
Morning- 2 egg omlette with cheese, cooked in a dollop of coconut oil, handful of blueberries. Coffee w/ a spoonful of coconut oil.
lunch- stir fried spinach, with a cut of meat from the local butcher. (mostly beef and lamb). Another coffee w/ coconut oil.
Dinner- most variety. Usually some stir fried broccoli and spinach cooked in coconut oil. A cut of meat baked or pan fried.
Tyler Diaz
>keto gave me t2 diabetes that's literally impossible you stupid idiot
Jonathan Rodriguez
Oh look! One of the common sideeffects from massive obesity, Fatty Liver, in an article indexed by Pubmed.
So what's wrong with your liver when it fails to work? Accumulating various substances it should be processing and pushing through? Do you have some genetic disorder causing this?
Caleb Thompson
>an unnatural diet that excludes major food groups and is based on a metabolic process that the body uses only in the hardest of survival times is bad for you WOW NEVER WOULD'VE FUCKING GUESSED
Michael Rivera
>an unnatural diet faggot
Josiah Robinson
You get carbs from vegetables, fruits, and things like potatoes corn and rice dumbass. Hell there is also Rye, Bulgur, Spelt, Buckwheat and like 20 other grains you can eat that aren't wheat.
No one said you had to eat wheat. And pretending wheat is a Jewish conspiracy... European Whites lived off of bread until potatoes were introduced to Europe dumb fuck. It's the whole reason Whites were able to civilize.
Gas yourself.
David Flores
>Unnatural All early humans were basically keto/paleo
Elijah Stewart
Early humans ate tree bark to stay alive and died at 35. We should really embrace this diet!
Connor Price
> One of the common sideeffects from massive obesity And as the experiment showed, saturated fat ingestion.
Andrew Diaz
>ate tree bark >died at 35 why are you still posting?
Austin Brown
You've been watching The Flintstones
Hunter Lee
I am German so actually I am the one doing the gassing. I know that there are different types of carbs and numerous sources where you can get them from. Many of these sources are also healthy. It's just that carbs are not essential for human survival. Can you survive on a diet that consists of carbs and protein and only a minute amount of fat? No Can you survive on a diet that consists of carbs and fat and only a minute amount of protein? No Can you survive on a diet that consists of fat and protein and only a minute amount of carbs? Yes
Even with Keto you can still eat like shit. Living off bacon and eggs won't make it healthy
Austin Perez
You already had it without knowing. Most likely at some point in your life, probably while growing up, you were overweight with really shitty habits and this is when you got it.
Carter Bailey
>Can you survive on a diet that consists of fat and protein and only a minute amount of carbs?
Sure but you shouldn't as it is hard on the body.
Benjamin Long
i-i was overweight with really shitty habits and started to get t2d if blood work is good and pee isnt sweet anymore i'm not diabetic r-right?
Caleb Finch (2007:402) argues that by the Upper Paleolithic in Europe - 30,000 Years Before Present (YBP) - people were living significantly longer than the great apes do (15-20 years).
A study done on two populations of neolithic skeletons (15,000 - 12,000 YBP and 12,000 - 8,000 YBP) lists life expectancy at birth as about 25, and the adult mean age at death as 32. The ratio between adult mean age at death for females and males was swapped between the two cultures, which is a little odd. In any case, the two had the same mean (Hershkowitz and Gopher 2008:445).
There was a Bronze Age (~4000 YBP) site in Thailand where the scientists argue a life expectancy at birth of just around 28 years. The mean adult age at death there was about 36. The authors note that that's at the high end of the prehistoric Japanese societies (~29-35 years) (Pietrusewsky and Douglas 2002:196)
References:
Finch, Caleb E. 2007 The Biology of Human Longevity. Elsevier, San Diego, CA.
Herskowitz, I. and A. Gopher 2008 "Demographic, Biological and Cultural Aspects of the Neolithic Revolution". In The Neolithic Demographic Transition and Its Consequences. Jean-Pierre Bocquet-Appel and Ofer Bar-Yosef, editors. Springer, New York, NY.
Pietrusewsky, Michael and Michele Toomay Douglas 2002 Ban Chiang, a Prehistoric Village Site in Northeast Thailand. UPenn Museum of Archaeology, Philadelphia, PA.
Joseph Carter
>it's hard on the body this is what fatties actually believe
Dominic Kelly
Were you measuring your ketones?
Levi Ross
Why are you lying? Keto did NOT do this. It's literally impossible.
Tyler Moore
High ketones levels is bad for your kidneys you simpleton. It is not a healthy state to be in.
Noah Perez
You can survive with minimal fat. What the fuck do you think the macro split of most bodybuilders is retard
Nathan Kelly
True, but you'd still need to eat those essential fats. There is no such thing as "essential carbs"
Luke Clark
t1 diabetic reporting in
doubtful you got t2 off a keto diet kek, typically keto helps t2 control their bloodsugar. as for "stabbing yourself 3x" a day you've gotta be a pussy to be scared of a 4mm needle, also nowadays you don't have to prick yourself to check bloodsugar since they've made a BG monitor that u put just under the first layer of your skin that can give you your BG results.
you'll be fine, just watch your diet and take your pills, most t2 don't have to use insulin injections unless their diet is shit; avoid carbs.
Camden Hill
>I am obese. I eat too much. I live a sedentary lifestyle. >My liver is congested due to my obesity. Guess what! You get fatty liver from being obese and clogging up the metabolic pathways. What you eat in order to become obese doesn't matter. In your case 3-4 hours of cardio each day should be the best solution.
Still no explanation what's wrong with your liver. Here is a pilot study indicating 4 out of 5 get better, and not worse. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17219068
Review on Low-Carb and NAFLD, that concludes it's a promising method of treatment (if you have access to it). ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16489632
Also your doctor is probably an idiot. I guess he didn't check ApoB/ApoA1 cholesterol.
Thomas Martinez
Really fat by the way
Thomas White
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Kayden Watson
>pee isnt sweet anymore how is this determined? what does your pee smell like if it smells "sweet" or do you taste it
Nathaniel Taylor
"essential" only means your body can't produce it. It says nothing about how important something is inside your body. As in, if your body lost its ability to create carbs and you wouldn't eat any, you'd die the same day. You won't die not eating any protein or fats that fast. And being able to survive on a diet and it being good for you are two different things also.
Jonathan Kelly
diabetic piss generally smells like honey. That kind of sweet.
Owen Cooper
Where's your proof faggot?
Dylan Long
>if your body lost its ability to create carbs and you wouldn't eat any, you'd die the same day. Source?
Luke Morales
That your body creates a stable amount of glucose in your bloodstream even if you don't eat any carbs at all doesn't tip you off? Your brain needs glucose to function, even on keto. Now, if there's no supply anymore neither from food sources nor from your body creating more, what would happen? Your blood glucose would decline, glycogen stores would be used to keep it balanced but eventually you'd end up in hypoglycemic shock and die.
Mason Martinez
This
Joshua Wood
It's a yes to all 3 of those.
Thomas Fisher
Mean age at death is 32 because infant death rate was super high you dumb fuck.
James Nguyen
> You get fatty liver from being obese and clogging up the metabolic pathways. And from eating saturated fat. > Here is a pilot study indicating 4 out of 5 get better, and not worse. As with all studies that say positive things about low-carb diets, the effect was due to weight loss, which offsets the effects of diet itself. It's not a comparable study design. >Review on Low-Carb and NAFLD As of 2006 when it was published, "Thus far, no study has evaluated the effect of low carbohydrate diets on NAFLD. Future studies will be required to address this question and others with regards to the nutritional adequacy and long-term side effects of these diets."
So again, saturated fat does contribute to NAFLD and insulin resistance.
Christopher Hill
>life expectancy at birth as about 25 >the adult mean age at death as 32
Great reading comprehension there brainlet.
Carson Adams
Lol no. Starchy tubers are not keto at all.
>Can you survive on a diet that consists of carbs and protein and only a minute amount of fat? No >Can you survive on a diet that consists of carbs and fat and only a minute amount of protein? No
Lol yes you can on both counts. The only reason you wouldn't be able to is if you ate purified laboratory made foods which were basically pure macronutrients. Eating whole foods you'll always be getting a small even if "minute" amount of fat and protein even on very low fat or low protein diets. People even do exactly that long term, or therapeutically.
Is that ideal? I don't think so. But neither is very low carb/keto. Just because you can produce glucose in your body via gluconeogenesis or use ketones for fuel where glucose would otherwise be used, doesn't mean it's ideal. It's an unnecessary stressor on the body, which requires glucose to function, to inefficiently fuel itself via gluconeogenesis and ketosis when you can eat some fucking carbs.
The problem with high fat diets is that they lead to insulin resistance over time, which leads to, UUUHH, diabetes. OP is no surprise at all.
Levi Gray
It literally is hard on your body you retard. Ketosis and gluconeogenesis are stressful, inefficient states compared relying on ingested glucose. Of course, if you're ingesting glucose but are also insulin resistant that will also be a stressful state, as your glucose metabolism's fucked... but that's a good reason to restore insulin sensitivity, not to avoid glucose. And it's fat which causes insulin resistance, not glucose.
Joseph Lewis
How so?
High fat diets cause insulin resistance which can cause diabetes. How is this news to you?
Charles Murphy
What parts of the brain require glucose and how much is still up for debate, hence I wanted to know your source. Gluconeogenesis is a very inefficient process to create fuel, so it's used sparingly. Unlike ketones that's produced in massive amounts and can also serve as fuel for the brain.
Parker Flores
Lack of exercise - that's the main reason you get fatty liver. Vegetable fats and Carbs will also aid in the creation of this disease. Also known as "Processed food" since those additives are high refined and not raw.
>25 >pretty good amount of visceral fat >insulin insensitive fat storage pattern >can't remember ever being below 18% body fat
Charles Sanchez
"Essential fats" are overrated. They are your polyunsaturated fatty acids. They're called essential in that our body can't synthesise them, but we only need them in minute quantities and are associated in higher quantities with inflammation, poor metabolic function among other things. Outside a laboratory diet, it's almost impossible to become "essential fatty acid deficient", and symptoms associated with EFA defienciency have been reversed with B vitamin supplementation.
Our body can produce the (mostly saturated, monounsaturated) fats it likes best from carbohydrate, and even on an EFA deficient diet will produce omega 9 mead acid.
>True, but you'd still need to eat those essential fats. There is no such thing as "essential carbs" ...is irrelevant. We want optimum function, and splitting hairs over what is "essential" is worthless, as for all practical purposes, "essential" fatty acids are not essential either, and most people have far much "essential" PUFAs, especially omega 6, in their diet and their body.
Jason Foster
>starts super special REAL LIFE HACK diet that makes you better than everyone else >shit still stinks >gets diabetes kek
Colton Clark
>I am German so actually I am the one doing the gassing. Probably the keto diet.
Isaiah James
>polyunsaturated fats >associated with inflammation
Omega-3s are famously anti-inflammatory while omega-6 also has a range of anti-inflammatory metabolites. The fuck are you talking about?
Landon Diaz
It's lent, stop eating fatty foods, oil and sugar until Easter, just eat plenty of high glucose boiled starches (rice, taters, oats, pasta, beans, lentils) and veges at the side with fruit as a snack.
Should help with insulin resistance, visceral fat and weight loss. Exercise of course, also helps with insulin resistance.
Benjamin Ortiz
Any benefit of PUFA is to be found in low amounts. With the modern western diet, people already consume too much.
Omega 3 is pretty much only good in that it can displace Omega 6. They're both unstable and prone to oxidisation and can be inflammatory when they build up in your tissues.
Carter Lopez
How often do you think cavemen were able to forage starchy tubers you brainlet?
Josiah Morgan
Probably often, depending in which climate/season they lived.
Nathan Cruz
You've been reading too many keto blogs. This is not science.
Matthew Morales
>high fat diets is that they lead to insulin resistance 100% wrong Proof: Eskimoes and similar tribes for thousands of years, only got diabetes as their native diet changed to include carbs.
Lincoln Cook
Yeah no shit, insulin resistance isn't such an issue if you're eating a low carb diet and you're used to burning fat.
That's not the world we live in bud. Most of us are much better off restoring insulin sensitivity than avoiding carbs.
Tyler Richardson
just shut the fuck up you illiterate little dummy. Taking a fucking teaspoon of baking soda can prevent this shit which btw is only common on T1.
Andrew Davis
Do you have data on the glucose metabolism of inuit on their traditional diet?
Jack Bell
>insulin resistance is caused by eating fat Insulin resistance means your body doesn't respond well to insulin. Are the receptors broken? Are the cells choked from constantly responding and can't take in anymore?
Your belief that dietary saturated fat somehow is an easy explanation to this shows an amazing lack of intelligence. All diabetes would be cured ages ago instead of increasing, if that was the fact. We eat more carbs and vegetable fats than ever, and diabetes is flooding society like a tsunami. You may want to get yourself an education, optionally publish the scientific proof to your unique knowledge about inuslin resistance and what's the basic problem.
Brayden Lopez
>feed me Use google, bing, altavista, pubmed or whatever and look for cross-studies with anthropology departments. Or walk down to your university library or ask them for help with finding the papers. Most papers from 80s and earlier were on actual paper and is often more easily found in the traditional way.
Gabriel Smith
>All diabetes would be cured ages ago instead of increasing, if that was the fact > We eat more carbs and vegetable fats than ever, and diabetes is flooding society like a tsunami. We eat more total fat than ever, and are physically fatter than before. You're arguing in fallacies.
>Just eat a bunch of fat >Get diabetes Oh no who could ever have predicted this turn of fate?!
Oliver Price
>I have proof >Where is it? >LOOK FOR IT YOURSELF
Henry Stewart
I can't believe you are all falling for this bait specially after the high fat diets cause increased insulin resistance.
Eating a shitload of carbs every 2-3h causes insulin resistance. People are literally reversing their t2 by fasting for days.
Bentley James
Eat like an Eskimo every day. Watch what happens to you.
Dominic Wright
I don't think saturated fat is bad, but it's well known that a high fat diet can cause insulin resistance.
I still think PUFAs are worse. Also, while consumption of meat, lard and butter have gone down, there has been an increase in the consumption of cheese and chicken, alongside an increase in consumption of vegetable oils. Modern Americans do not in any way eat a low fat diet just because some of the saturated animal fat has been switched to fat from different sources. Add to that environmental toxins, excessive iron, low vitamin D and other fat soluble vitamins, and a sedentary lifestyle... you speak as if adherence to the food pyramid has been the most significant change, as if people adhered to it in the first place.
Leo Young
I suspect this is bait but I'll point out a few things for the benefit of other anons.
First of all, carbohydrate restricting diets ala keto cannot cause NAFLD. NAFLD is caused by fatty acid manufacture in the liver from excess glucose from acetyl-CoA in the TCA cycle. Keto, caloric restriction, and fasting reliably reverse NAFLD by coercing the liver to scavenge fat in the liver for energy.
It is true that fatty acid metabolism by tissue, particularly skeletal muscle tissue, transiently induces insulin resistance. This is to be expected as cells metabolizing fat for energy are not interested in taking up glucose for energy, because individual cells cannot metabolize fatty acids and glucose simultaneously for ATP. A couple days of high carbohydrate eating reverses this "insulin resistance" in the periphery as insulin suppresses fatty acid availability and up-regulates glucose metabolism.
If you actually have T2DM, carbohydrate restriction (or fasting, which achieves the same thing) is the fastest way to reverse it by clearing out the organs of fat and sugar, thus making room for glucose uptake (making them insulin sensitive again).
Carter Thomas
>I ate nothing but freeze dried rib shaped meat patties smothered in smoke flavored sugar sauce because it's technically meat and therefore I was doing keto.
Gabriel Ward
This is why you need to eat a shit ton of vegetables even when you are on keto.
Tyler Brooks
hahahaha, yeah because its not neutralized by your stomach. GTFO
Xavier Clark
It doesn't cause insulin resistance to "eat carbs every 2-3h". By all means, limit fructose, and especially in the form of liquid calories and refined sugars, if you think it might be an issue.
But something tells me they're not fat and insulin resistant because they're eating boiled potatoes every 2-3h, but french fries. Not a couple of slices of sourdough bread, but a few donuts.... ie, hyperpalatable foods which are easy to overeat, not only high in refined carbs, but in oil as well.
It's not the carbs which are the problem, it's how and with what they're eaten.
Lucas Cooper
agreed, but if you're a fatty going way over your tdee because it tastes good or whatever you deserve what you're getting anyway.
My doubt here is, assuming you eat zero carbs on a keto diet, how would you raise your insulin resistance? gluconeogenesis?
David Gomez
Protein can have a high insulin response. OP might have done "low carb" rather than keto, ie, misunderstood keto and just ate a tonne of steak or something. Protein is meant to be restricted on a genuine keto diet. Protein in insulinogenic, especially dairy, if OP ate any of that.
All that said, do you actually need to eat foods that elicit an insulin response to become insulin resistant? Or just eat a diet where you're relying on fat rather than carbohydrate as a primary fuel?
Bentley Turner
And how do you know it was your keto exactly?
Juan Hall
Ding ding. The typical north-american diet is high fat and moderate/high carbs and leads to diabetes over time in 99% of case. Who would have thought that making your liver process an excess of fat reduces your body's ability to release insulin and handle carbs properly.
Low fat high carbs diets will never pose a problem as every fucking civilization has shown.
Thomas Howard
>ingesting LITERAL fatty acids (in excess, too) cannot produce a disease caused by fatty acids
Revise your notes goddamn retard. An excess of fructose (not carbs) will convert into fatty acids, but the same happens much more easily with actual fat intake.
William Parker
Fructose produces this. There are carbs without any fructose, it's called rice.
Leo Lopez
Idk tbqh but all t2 i know are fatties who won't stop eating sweets and never went above 4h without eating. Their insulin responses are a wrecking roller coaster of death. There are 4 t2 in my family and when i advocate fasting they freak out.
And while eating way above your daily need of protein might give you an insulin response and while fats (saturated and trans i suppose) might also help on fucking you up, the easiest way to have high blood sugar still is eating carbs all the time, specially refined sugar.
sorry, i had to correct a typo
Daniel Baker
isn't white rice correlated to type 2? But then again alone it won't do shit or all sumo wrestlers would have t2
Owen Stewart
>diabetes is caused by increasing insulin resistence >eat a diet that's designed to completely neglect insulin response/sensitivity >wonder why it has negative effects on carbohydrate metabolism Gee how could that happen.
Carson Torres
High carbs of any type doesn't work well with high fat. Even for testosterone, there's no advantage of going over 25-30g of fat daily, which is still considered low fat and doesn't hinder carbs metabolism. White rice (basmati especially) is fine as long as you don't eat a lot of fat, the reason there might be a correlation is because it's easy to eat a lot of carbs from white rice (easy to digest) and most people eat too much fat. Like you said, asians have no trouble with it because their diet is generally low fat.
Aiden Williams
Whether you're high-fat-low-carb, mediteranean, high carb, atkins, or weight watchers your body needs periods of rest for shuttling fat around the body.
Intracellular fat in the liver builds up when the body doesn't have time to shuttle it through the blood stream and into fat cells. As long as you keep eating and eating and eating and eating and eating it will never get a chance to clear it out.
In the fat fucks I've helped lose weight, every single one of them completely eliminated their fatty liver in a single 2 week fast. >Yep, you have a fatty liver >2 weeks later >Nope, no fatty liver