Reminder that the soyboy meme is completely and utterly false. You are not effeminate because you consume soy, you consume soy because you are effeminate.
Stop blaming your shortcomings (and the shortcoming of others) on diet, and acknowledge that the burden of your condition stems predominantly from within yourself, and not just from external factors.
soymilk is what jap porns used for fake semen in bukkake back in the 90s and 2000s?
I don't know. Don't ask me that.
>not knowing the relationship between soy products and estrogen
have fun making no gains
If you consume soy because you're effeminate, it still means soy is positively correlated with being effeminate, you fucking bonobo.
A few xenoestrogens in a product someone will eat a few times a month will not suddenly turn you into a bitch. The soyboy meme is literally just an excuse people use to justify their behavior.
>if it wasnt for the soy in my food id be a REAL man. its not me, its the SOY.
So fucking what? There's a correlation, and I'm arguing against the causation.
Lip gloss and make up are effeminate too, do you think buying and using these products turns you feminine? Or do other men buy these because they're already feminine in the first place?
repeat with me: Estrogen suppresses testosterone production
People who post about soy are either
1. FAT
or
2. UGLY
I really just don’t eat meat because I feel like all living beings are connected and we’re meant to protect animals
The way we don’t meat to survive anymore it’s just wrong and I think that arguing that murdering something is manly is just fucking weak and made predominately by sorry ass edgelords
Oh boy did I go full retard I meant we don’t need to eat to survive anymore*
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>applying liquid plastic to your lips that will be absorbed
i don't get the soyboy stuff. whenever you guys post pics of these awful "soyboys" they're hot guys who take care of themselves and wear nice clothes.
they're literally husband material lol and you're trying to make fun of them with pics of them being silly and having fun in their lives.
where can i get a soyboy bf??
Right here bro a/s/l
Just eat grapefruit and flaxseeds to reverse the estrogenic effects.
They're phytoestrogens you brainlet, not xenoestrogens.
>phytoestrogens and xenoestrogens are mutually exclusive
stop talking
>another retard who doesn't know what "xeno"estrogen means
Also yeah it literally doesn't matter, if you like it go ahead and drink a bottle of soymilk every day.
>it's ok to call squares rectangles
t. brainlets
Not all xenoestrogens and phytoestrogens, but all phytoestrogens are xenoestrogens. You're the one arguing squares aren't rectangles you daft cunt. Your analogy is shit mate.
Good god you're retarded
Wtf does it matter? How much are blood tests I’d be willing to eat meat for 1-3 months and check and then go back to vegan for 1-3 months and get my test rechecked just to prove that it seriously doesn’t matter at all if you eat soy in fact I’d wager it’s more beneficial from an unbiased standpoint because meat is an inflammatory and contributes strongly to artery disease and clots and the artery damage and damage this fucked roided up meat that people eat have a way bigger detrimental effect on testosterone than anything else in a diet
>Eating 109 mg means you absorb 109mg into your bloodstream.
Wew
>A few xenoestrogens in a product someone will eat a few times a month will not suddenly turn you into a bitch.
You're minimizing the problem. The cheapness of soy as a protein source and food additive means it's in a lot more shit. If you're eating only unprocessed foods, you're great. But most people aren't sourcing their meat properly (if at all) and are probably also using products with hidden soy compounds/byproducts (such as lecithin)
Does anyone else think it's particularly gay that such a cheap, accessible, and even vegan protein can't be eaten by men without growing a vagina?
I'm serious. Eating a piece of tempeh would be a lot more convenient than an entire plate of lentils for every meal.
i dont need science to tell me what my eyes see plainly
No they use cornstarch
You're taking the meme very literally. Do you have autism?
No actually you can't do much about having soyface, which is a huge part of being a soyboy. By the time you are conscious and have agency it is out of your hands.
it's not the soy it's the bisphenol
No one? BRRRRRAAAAAAPPPPPPPPFFFFTTTT
Only autists believe this
Is this a tranny? She has that trap face.
Even if you dont absorb all of it, an astronomical increase. In the study the picture was in reference to it even showed women producing less estrogen because they had so many isofavones to mimic their normal levels.
You would have to be a weak minded faggot to ingest soy.
Wrong. It lowers your ESTROGEN in the same way testosterone does after a few months. Phytoestrogen does not act as ESTROGEN in your body.
The cultures that the more soy are shorter, with smaller penises.
But I bet it is just coincidence.
The Netherlands have one of the highest rate of vegans/vegetarians in the world and have had a very high amount of vegetarians and soy eaters as they are within trade-wind of Asia. They are also the tallest in the world.
Pic related is from three years ago. The estimated vegan products on the market from 2017 to now alone was increased by 400%.
>height is based on one food
>being this retarded
They also drink the most milk you mong.
Hitting peak nutrition helps you reach your tallest height. Selective breeding eg seeing taller as more attractive will breed taller people. Milk has nothing to do with this as it's not very nutritious, and has only been around for 7,000 years, a time much shorter than the time northern Europeans or whites have been taller than Asians. Nice anecdote for being a manlet though.
So one pseudoscientific argument cancels out the other pseudoscientific argument? Milk is the opposite of soy? That's at least triple retarded.
So you really do think youre skinnyfat dyels because of the soy Boogeyman? Lmaoing @ your life
Yours too retard
The similarities, at molecular level, of estrogens and phytoestrogens allow them to mildly mimic estrogen. Because of their structural similarity with estradiol these chemicals have the ability to cause estrogenic effects, by sitting in and blocking receptor sites.
Stop lying to people.
And thus compete with actual 17 beta estradiol, overall lowering the estrogenic effect.
They are similar in shape but do not have the same building blocks. Take chemistry and stop the ignorant misinformation.
Not when there are higher concentrations of phytoestrogens in your body than there ever was internally produced estrogen.
Not what the studies show though, you'd have to go on a soy only diet for that to be significant. Even daily soymilk, tofu and soy sauce consumption is nowhere near enough.
That doesn't diminish the facts that these phytoestrogens mimic estrogen.
Picture related: it is you
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Soyfoods are unique among commonly-consumed foods because they contain large amounts of isoflavones. And in order to understand the controversy around soyfoods, it’s necessary to understand what isoflavones are—and why they aren’t the same as estrogen. Sometimes referred to as phytoestrogens, isoflavones have a chemical structure that is very similar to the hormone estrogen, but small variations in their structure translate to important differences in physiological effects.
Both isoflavones and estrogen bind to and activate estrogen receptors (ERs) on cells. Human cells have two types of these receptors–ER-alpha and ER- beta—which have different distributions in different tissues. That doesn’t matter to estrogen, which happily binds to either type, but isoflavones are more finicky. They much prefer ER-beta. It’s an important distinction, because the two types of receptors produce different—sometimes completely opposite—effects.
As a result—while estrogen always acts like estrogen—isoflavones function differently in different tissues. They may have estrogen-like effects or anti-estrogenic effects, or no effects at all. For this reason, isoflavones are considered to be SERMs, or selective estrogen receptor modulators.(1)
Even if that's the case, which it is not, why would you care that people believed that?
Is it for money?
Is because you are trying to get people to eat more soy?
You are on a British Frisbee Golf Image-board arguing about the health effects of a plant with people you couldn't care less about.... why?
Their selective nature makes some SERMs useful in medical therapy. For example, while estrogen therapy can protect bone health in postmenopausal women, it may also raise risk for breast cancer. In contrast, the osteoporosis drug raloxifene—which is a SERM—has estrogen-like effects on bones, but anti-estrogenic effects in breast tissue. So it helps protect bone without raising breast cancer risk.(2)
Because they function as SERMS, research is focused on potential health benefits of isoflavones, particularly as safe alternatives to estrogen. There is evidence that they may reduce menopausal symptoms like hot flashes,(3,4) but the findings on isoflavones and bone health are more conflicting.(5,6) And while some data suggests that isoflavone-rich soyfoods could improve prognosis in women who have breast cancer,(7-10) it’s not clear that women who begin consuming soy in adulthood will actually reduce their risk of cancer.
What we do know with certainty is that isoflavones are not estrogen and, looking at how estrogen acts in the body doesn’t tell us anything about the effects of eating soyfoods. In fact, if isoflavones were the same as estrogen, there wouldn’t really be any interest in studying them as alternatives to this hormone. The only way to know what isoflavones do is to study isoflavones
>my ignorance has led me to not know that isoflavones act as an anti-estrogen by default
Sure, but when isoflavones bind to ER-beta receptors that leaves more free estrogen in the blood to bind to the ER-alpha receptors.
>it may also raise risk for breast cancer.
Just like birth control, which is basically and estrogen pill...............
Not an argument
>more free estrogen
Nope. Estrogen is not being created because you eat isoflavones.
People are spouting "SOY DECREASES T AND INCREASES E" all over this board and it's wrong. Why did you nitpick a small thing in , why do you care?
You know, when the discussion is over you can just stop replying instead of asking a completely unrelated question. Or are you trying to go the personal attack route now and call me a shill.
No one said it was being created. It is already present in the body. The isofalones take up the beta receptors. This leaves more free estrogen which cannot take up those beta receptors to be present and it can thus fill more alpha receptors.
I'm not making an arguement, I'm making fun of your bitch ass defeatist mindset
That doesn't matter though?
>People are spouting "SOY DECREASES T AND INCREASES E" all over this board and it's wrong.
So what? People are wrong on the internet all the time. Do you argue this hard with flat Earthers?
ER-alpha is essential in the maturation and maintenance of the male reproductive phenotype. Studies have shown that ERbeta down-regulates some responses to ERalpha. Thus weakening the maintenance of the male reproductive phenotype.
Medfag here, just wanted to say you’re a fucking retard beta and alpha receptors are not interchangeable they have different names because they’re different
Think like the little tard puzzles they give you where you match the shapes alpha can be triangle and beta as square they aren’t going to be interchangeable that way
Yes, and isoflavones take up the beta receptors... I never said anything different.
>soyboy-lookism
How to spot an actual numale 101
>*BRAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap*
>sorry user I just couldn't hold it in any longer
What the fuck is the purpose of this post. Didn’t everyone realize it was a joke?
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