There are two categories of things that make you attractive, one is cultural and the other is biological. In order to map the latter, let me give you the broscience of attraction.
The biological category tends to be social to an extent that most people wouldn't imagine, and the main chemical mechanism regulating it is the testosterone. High test levels since an young age is not only likely to give you a bone structure that is deemed more attractive by most women, but higher testosterone in the body has always been associated with traits women find attractive: well-developed facial musculated, such as hypertrophied masseter muscle, giving the impression of a wider and more angular jaw, stronger muscles around the eyes, giving you "sharper" eyes, less bodyfat, which explains why women tend to pick shredded over big, etc.
But there's something beyond the looks. The attractive male model is the result of a lot of testosterone, but testosterone itself is a social hormone that increases according to the social and psychological feedback the body receives. Studies have shown, for example, that a dominant position in a social hiearchy has led to more testosterone in humans and animals, while a lower, "submissive" position led to lower testosterone. Not only that, but when a conflict or something happens, those in dominant positions receive a testosterone boost, while those in a lower position receive a cortisol boost, the stress hormone that is a T-killer. So your body is producing testosterone to reward you for a certain social position, and surprise surprise, women tend to find men in this superior position attractive.
What I'm starting to think is that the social and psychological actions that increase testosterone are, themselves, a blueprint to what attributes and traits women find attractive. Take for example, attitude. A high-risk behavior has shown to increase testosterone, and testosterone has shown to increase this behavior in return: >The results indicated that individuals with a high level of testosterone tended to take greater risks than those people with low testosterone, with the relationship between testosterone and risk-taking similar between men and women. (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5285332/) This evolutionary trait is translated in modern society as "confidence", which is something women find attractive and respond well to.
Let's dig further. Women famously like a bad-boy, someone who displays aggression when combined with all the other positive traits such as confidence. I shouldn't have to point out that Testosterone increases aggressive behavior, but aggressive behavior itself increases testosterone, and the attractiveness of aggressive men has been confirmed by studies (psychologytoday.com/blog/head-games/201305/the-allure-aggressive-men). So once again, what seems like a stereotype has a hormonal and evolutionary reasoning behind it, which might explain why they always seem attracted to those types against their own will.
Now you're probably thinking, oh bullshit, if you're rich you can have any shitty attitude and you'll get pussy. Well, you're right that testosterone doesn't explain every little aspect of attraction, but it does, in fact, explain this particular phenomenon: Testosterone receives a boost with resource production and gathering. One study saw testosterone increasing during successful hunts in a subsistence community (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3871326/) and another study saw an increase in testosterone following resource production activities:
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Asher Barnes
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>A comparison of these results to the relative change in testosterone during a competitive soccer tournament in the same population reveals larger relative changes in testosterone following resource production (tree chopping), compared to competition (soccer). (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3810999/) This is obviously an evolutionary strategy, meant to keep guys hunting and accumulating for survival and directing the women towards those men, but the biological imprint has its carryover in civilized society, which makes women continue to prefer those with a lot of "socially valid" resources.
Now, of course, these are just guidelines, and there are several occasions when aggressive, accumulative or condident behavior can interfere with the social expectations and be a turn-off for women. But the social expectations themselves are test-related, so everything is about which testosterone-producing behavior has the upper hand on a given context.
I'm not going to give you the TL;DR because I wrote this shit for you faggots to read it. But here's a tip: if you're trying to figure out what women consider attractive socially and psychologically, look at which actions and which social dynamics increase testosterone. If you want to figure out what women consider physically attractive, look at which effect testosterone has on your body, at a mature (after 21) and pre-mature stage, because in the latter you can get a better feedback when it comes to ideal bone structure, etc. An afternoon spent on Google scholar, looking up testosterone-boosting experiments, may help you figure shit out better than any mainstream advice that is tied to narratives that aren't backed by our biological structure.
Angel Peterson
interesting read, thanks
Parker Jenkins
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Angel Johnson
Putin: Justin Trudeau couldn't throw me if he tried
Wyatt Fisher
Trudeau: I can't hear challenges from weaklings, I'm allergic >Putin vs Trudeau, who wins?
Aiden Sanchez
Tl;dr version pls
Josiah Scott
All of this makes sense. Now how can a loser put this knowledge to action?
Ayden Smith
>have read all of it
Liam Moore
Amateur boxer vs ex-KGB?
Putin, obviously. At least in his prime, maybe not now, some rumours he's had a stroke.
Jordan Scott
An interesting study about the effects of testosterone on people with social anxiety:
TL;DR it supresses the anxiety and its symptoms significantly. Following this logic, testosterone might be the reason why men with awkward, shy, anxious personalities are considered so unattractive. Testosterone literally points at the opposite of this as the ideal. It increases confidence, aggression, eases social interaction.
Nicholas Price
Good call, I already have two prior bets on Trudeau though simply because most people haven't seen.. a tablestand in a tie!
Taking all bets on the fight of the century! Place your bets now before it's too late
Elijah Gonzalez
>Studies have shown, for example, that a dominant position in a social hiearchy has led to more testosterone in humans and animals, while a lower, "submissive" position led to lower testosterone. Not only that, but when a conflict or something happens, those in dominant positions receive a testosterone boost, while those in a lower position receive a cortisol boost, the stress hormone that is a T-killer.
I'd be curious to know more about this. Anecdotally I have been in some arguments with my boss recently and I noticed that he seems to have been putting on more weight recently. I'm a very argumentative person since I hold strongly to my beliefs, which I've been working on. But I've noticed that I seem to be talking to more women recently too. So I wonder now if all that has something to do with it?
Aiden Butler
how do i get a gf though if im an ugly manlet desu?
>the broscience of attraction. stopped reading there
Cooper Stewart
what does this say about women liking things that raise test
Andrew Perez
Is it possible to cure social anxiety, though? I’m a receptionist in a 5* hotel, I meet strangers everyday and I portray a very outward appearance. I’ve been hit on by women a couple times and I have a gf. It’s a facade, though.
I was bullied a lot in school and I’m generally the main target for banter from my closest friends. I’m very insecure that I don’t deserve my girlfriend and I know that (obviously) turns her off and hurts the relationship in the long run. I feel like shit, bros. My family was never abusive towards me and I’m fortunate enough to have got a well-paid job in a very, very shitty economy (Greece). How do I man the fuck up, Veeky Forums?
Parker Adams
tl;dr
Mason Diaz
she means painting the nails black because she's having a metal phase, it's right there in her name. 2 reasons black painted nails could be attractive: 1. you don't care that you look like a fucking faggot, recklessness = high test. 2. you belong to her social group. -> low test provider material.
Jace Stewart
Lift, eat, socialize, be the best in your field and fuck
Jonathan Adams
Also be a bad boy and be confident
Logan King
>but higher testosterone in the body has always been associated with traits women find attractive Protips: this is also true for prenatal environments, so mothers with higher hormone production / balances (correlatives of fitness) and, consequently, future mothers are enhancing offspring potential with this selection.
There's also the fact that muscular men are proficient with nutrition, thus plausibly benefiting children (for example, protein intakes being some of the most correlative with height).
Julian Taylor
Serotonin and dopamine metabolites (5-HTP; Mucuna pruriens), lots of protein, fitness (strength and flexibility), and antioxidants (cloves, garlic, and vitamin C).
Bullying is a fucking tough shit to overcome, and it leaves a mark on a biochemical level too.
>Stressful experiences during adolescence can alter the trajectory of neural development and contribute to psychiatric disorders in adulthood. We previously demonstrated that adolescent male rats exposed to repeated social defeat stress show changes in mesocorticolimbic dopamine content both at baseline and in response to amphetamine when tested in adulthood. In the present study we examined whether markers of adult dopamine function are also compromised by adolescent experience of social defeat. >Our results indicate that social defeat during adolescence led to higher dopamine transporter binding in the infralimbic region of the medial prefrontal cortex and higher dopamine D1 receptor binding in the caudate putamen, while other brain regions analyzed were comparable to controls. Thus it appears that social defeat during adolescence causes specific changes to the adult dopamine system, which may contribute to behavioral alterations and increased drug seeking.
I wouldn't know if you can cure social anxiety or the scars left by bullying on a biological level, all I know is that testosterone helps to a degree, and try decreasing cortisol because I assume it makes the condition worse.
And depending on how bad your bullying really was, like, if you still have a reflexive submissive/avoidant attitude because of it, try reading about trauma. I've heard good things about The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk.
Carter Wilson
Thank you, my diet is in order but i haven’t as of yet incorporated garlic and onion in. I will do so.
Hey, man, I appreciate your response. Yes, I tend to avoid confrontations because of my experiences in highschool. Even if we are all anonymous here, it was hard to admit I was bullied as a kid. It doesn’t make sense. I’ll get that book you recommended. Thank you man, I mean it.
Parker Rogers
really interesting OP
Jordan Ross
Good read OP.
I have noticed a pretty big difference in my own behavior between days or weeks when I do hard physical work (like cutting down trees, chopping wood, digging shit, etc.) and times when I lounge around doing essentially nothing.
I had a major change in lifestyle, between now and when I was in school in terms of daily physical exertion and what I've noticed is that I feel overall, way more confident and "manlier" now than I did a few years ago. Even nowadays, I feel a lot better about myself generally after I've done something physically taxing.
I'm thinking that a lot of my depression and anxiety back in the day stemmed from precisely a lack of that same hard physical work that I try to do daily now.
Michael Thompson
I forgot to mention that I've noticed a big change in my behavior and emotional state since I started eating meals with more fat. That coupled with cold showers seriously helped me in a major way in terms of motivation and overall mental well-being.
I also stopped fapping and watching porn three weeks ago, so that made me want to do more different, useful stuff and learn new things.
Leo Hill
>So your body is producing testosterone to reward you for a certain social position, and surprise surprise, women tend to find men in this superior position attractive. T isn't a reward but simply a hormone that on some functions run the male body, dopamine on the other hand can be called a reward. Roughly speaking the presence and and lack of cortisol will raise T. >What I'm starting to think is that the social and psychological actions that increase testosterone are, themselves, a blueprint to what attributes and traits women find attractive No shit mate, that's the basic of how slightly sophisticated animal do it, give the fact that we are primates, a already very social animal, and the smartest version of it. Basically hero-like traits are the shit for us in a primal level
You used the same argument multiple times but didn't use them to prove further your point. Any attempt to try to raise T is fruitless because such fluctuation their effect is temporary
You are failing to understand that T isn't the main driving force or that it is as relevant as you think in this hypothetical system of yours, your argument is pretty much short sighted solution and understanding for much broader and rather complex system.
Wanting girls for the sake of wanting girls is as silly as pursuing happiness with the same logic in mind, getting girls is just part of it but never should be the main goal or the only one because you are not entitled to it, achieving such is just a by product of your efforts and condition. It is just important to understand that in this analogy "wanting girls" is just a more complex because they are their own individual as well and they're included in this game too.
Nathaniel Gray
>he thinks a suits guy with some self defence experience can take on an martial arts athlete Stop watching hollywood movies.
William Powell
seems fairly resonable. Thanks
Levi Sullivan
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Ayden Nguyen
This pic has been getting posted here forever, and I seem to be the only person here who thinks that he looks like a total bro.
Jeremiah Ramirez
How to achieve this mode?
Luke Cooper
Hey pal,a big part of your partner being attracted by you is you being in love with yourself. Being confident and secure in your abilities and knowledge. Just be confident bro.
Levi Foster
He looks like he's about to burst into tears in all but the bottom left picture
Ryan Lewis
I ask myself this everyday
Julian Martin
so why aren't unibrows hot
Jonathan Cook
they call it happiness mode. you have to be confident no matter what your body type and just love yourself and life.
Tyler Carter
bone
Oliver Young
Thanks user, I appreciate it, man
James Green
>You used the same argument multiple times but didn't use them to prove further your point. Any attempt to try to raise T is fruitless because such fluctuation their effect is temporary
shouldn't doing activities that prompt a temporary testosterone increase over and over lead to higher base test? wouldn't it stimulate the production of more if it's required more often?
Jackson Reyes
its an elbow stand and he shouldnt be resting on his elbows like a complete soyboy.
Luis Perry
No. No. Test would spike, I might add not to super higher levels, and go back down to the point that the body won't rip off any long term benefits. You can't increase your "base" test like that it is just a value you "have" for life, it increases during puberty, stays at adult life and generally starts dropping at 40-50yo but please don't forget that how "responsive" to test is also important, so having higher T doesn't necessary mean getting most benefits from it. Assuming you are a healthy individual everything you CAN do will barely make any difference and everything that spike it for a short will drop as quickly without permanent effects. You should only care about test if you are around of the average, even more if you south of it.
Like I said do go thinking this is end all be all is very naive because there are much more dimensions to it, despite T being linked to many things so are the other things, this singular aspect of life isn't the begin neither the end of it.
Nicholas Edwards
Trudeau is a cock-suckin cuck who eats muslim anus on daily basis.
Parker Jackson
>I have noticed a pretty big difference in my own behavior between days or weeks when I do hard physical work (like cutting down trees, chopping wood, digging shit, etc.) and times when I lounge around doing essentially nothing. That explains why everyone says lifting helps. I had deppression for years. Started lifting, started to feel better. Stopped lifting 2 weeks ago, (deppresion stroke again) I want to die again. Will start lifting again tomorrow.
James Fisher
I've adopted a number of radical views recently, started getting into arguments with friends and generally being more confrontational. Lost about 5% bodyfat and gained a considerable amount of muscle, even though I barely changed my routine.
Michael Fisher
That's the opposite of what the theory would suggest though. In the hierarchy your boss is above you so he should have his test boosted and you should have yours lowered when you two have an argument.
Gabriel Campbell
Nice dude those are all good for ya.
Eli Garcia
Good write-up broski. Interesting about resource production > competition. Good to see K-selected bros getting some ruhspeck re: T
Wyatt White
Based user. I realised a lot of this shit when I got stoned. There is a lot more correlation between "personality" (not in the meme sense) than most people, especially the unattractive kind who browse boards like this(not meaning to be condescending) care to admit.
There's one other point you missed out though and that's the fact that not every women is attracted to high test. Some genuinely prefer more estrogenic feminine boys. I think this has to do with there levels of hormones. I.e. high estrogen female(the hot ones that we care about) go for high test men and videos versa
Dylan White
Was meant to say correlate with appearance/looks.
Kevin Ortiz
Do attractive men spend this much time and energy on what women find attractive?