Veeky Forums often says that achieving 1/2/3/4 pl8 is the standard to show that you lift. Is it even possible to get all 4 through basic linear progression (e.g. Starting Strength and StrongLifts)?
How long would this realistically take?
I’d like some input from those that have actually achieved these numbers and not just anons doing basic math as though LP doesn’t have diminishing marginal gains.
These are much better to go by because they account for it. Aim for intermediate within ~6-12 months of serious committed lifting
Carson Taylor
I'm there (except deadlift since I am a pussy and don't wanna push myself). Took me 2 years, but my genetics (and form) are trash, and I got injured twice (both of them took me out for 2 months).
Hudson Barnes
Depends on where you start from. Anyone saying 6 months was either fat or athletic when they started, and already had perfect diet / sleep / knowledge about lifting.
Kevin Phillips
I started lifting a year ago and I was morbidly obese and I'm at 1/2/3/4 practically (bench is like 195ish), why would someone that's fat (inactive fat, not like a linemen-type fat) have an advantage?
Thomas Sanders
If it can take up to a year, why do I also see people made fun of for running SS or SL for more than 3-6 months?
Isn’t it a contradiction to hold that 1/2/3/4 pl8 is the end of the beginner phase, but at the same time, hold that you need intermediate programming to get there?
Nathaniel Flores
You already eat enough. That's half the proverbial right there.
Isaac Morales
1/2/3/4 is 1rm or for reps?
Connor Hall
Because you already have quite a lot of muscle to start with, even if it's covered in a lot of fat.
The 1/2/3/4 meme was just created by Veeky Forums because it looks good on paper. In reality, If you're 160 lbs and you bench 225 for 5, you're just getting into advanced level, but if you're the same weight and deadlift 405 for 5, then you're in the top 98% elite category according to Strength Level. It's proportionate garbage. Just keep lifting and keep getting strong on all the lifts.
Easton Morris
*disproportionate
Julian Flores
Does 1/2/3/4 mean 1rm?
Wyatt Morris
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Eli Collins
nope, its for 30 consecutive reps each lift
Noah Sanchez
More than untrained 120lb people have. Also if you're actually 600lb it would take you many months just just to diet enough to get out of bed I assume. I'm talking about somewhat normal fat/obese people who would be able to just start lifting, not "American fats".
Jackson Cox
i am a 158 lbs 6 feet ripped lanklet
whats the maximun strenght i could aim for without gaining weight ?
Jose Scott
That's because you're getting all your information from Veeky Forums, just because it's a smaller board doesn't make it immune to the trolling and general idiocy of this website.
Jacob Howard
>ripped
Luis Davis
I always thought it was for reps.. Just ohp 1 plate today for 3x5, felt good,
Jaxon Cook
Probably 1 pl8 OHP and 2 pl8 bench if you train your CNS to handle those loads. 3 pl8 squat and 4 pl8 deadlift is going to be much harder and take longer.
Nolan Morales
dude, this is Veeky Forums
half of the people here don't even lift and just e stat their shit to repost in threads. Just pay no attention
Nathan Rivera
so its not possible to bench 350 lbs with those stats ? or deadlift 500 pounds, or even press 230 lbs squat 400 pounds ?
Michael Hall
aren't you the user that wanted to gain weight?
Xavier Roberts
>is it even possible yes >is it optimal no I hit my 1pl8 OHP (making 1/2/3/4) on day 364. My gains stagnated for probably 3 months while I kept doing SL5x5 when it was horribly sub-optimal. I would say you trade up to a better program around 160 bench/260 squat
Luis Jackson
at 158 6'0? Probably not without gear
Gavin Morris
Thanks for the tip. Did you keep grinding 5x5 or start peaking (3x5 then 3x3)?
If you did go down to 3x5 or 3x3, when did that happen?
Charles Turner
nope
but gear would probably make you gain weight i guess
Aaron Foster
I dropped to 3x5 but I honestly don't remember the timing since it was 3 years ago. I wanna say it was at 255 squat around month 7. I did that and only made it up to 270 squat in the next 3 months. Then I did PHAT and hit 3pl8 in like 6 weeks.
Brandon Williams
What does someone look like usually when they hit 1/2/3/4?
James Lopez
>obese >195 pound bench
Alexander Harris
Sure we good question that will never be answered. Height and weight would also be interesting.