Could a completely untrained male defeat an accomplished female martial artist?

Are you actually strong though?

Yeah.
I'm not going to enter any strongman contests any time soon, but I'm pretty Veeky Forums

It depends on n you, buddy.

>Fighting with rules
Probably not. Just because you have a few inches of reach and 50ish pounds on her doesn't mean you're going to win

>Hypothetical fight where 2 people enter and one man leaves, thunderdome style
Maybe, but only if you realize that rule 1 is as follows: Always cheat, always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

Based Minoru Suzuki working Fatsuka into a slapping shoot

6'4" at 195 thinks he strong. Lol

you'd win pretty easily

>be njpw young boy
>shibata senpai makes you heabutt a wall 10 times a day for a year
>graduate from shibata's dojo
>now a young lion, get to be at ringside for matches
>minoru suzuki shoots on you every other week for the next 3 years

>Could a completely untrained male defeat an accomplished female martial artist?

Warning: LONG POST

They had this match recently. Forgot the name of all involved because it was obviously some kind of publicity stunt.

Several female MMA fighters wanted to fight some misogynist on the web, but jumped ship shortly before the fight. After a lot of bullshittting around by the women, he had to fight some veteran female ex champion in the end. Which is a good thing because now we could see the top tier female martial arts against a completely untrained male.

What happened? Well, for one, her striking was 100% inefficient. She couldn't hurt him really. I guess a black eye or a busted lip were possible, since that also happens among kids, but there were no effective hits, really. So, she went to grappling. As it turned out, it was ineffective as well.

Now,the guy tapped after a while (twice) because he couldn't get out of pins and submissions, even though both of them had no effect on him at all. He could just out-muscle the submission, but couldn't break it. So, they laid around on the floor a lot, she couldn't submit him, he couldn't break the hold, so he tapped after a while.

No damage was done to him at all, even though she really, really tried to hurt him badly, it was obvious.

So, in the end, she technically won because he tapped out of boredom and being a noob. Realistically, she would have been dead meat if no holds were barred.

But that's not the only example. The young German TV moderator Stefan Raab famously challenged then-world champion Regina Halmich to a boxing match. He lost by points because he didn't really train for it and she was not able to, again, knock him out or hurt him, even though he was a complete noob.

So, come to your own conclusions.

What you said about subs would apply to locks but not to chokes and strangles. Did she ever try to just strangle him?

yeah, try and muscle your way out of a locked in RNC

a 10 year old girl could sleep eddie hall if she managed to somehow her her arms round his giant neck the right way

My GF has a brownbelt in kickboxing and a black belt in BJJ and has been training martial arts for over 15 years i can still easily overpower her. The only time i actually lost was when she got to start with having a headlock. And im not gonna try to poke her eyes out.
I don't know if she goes easy on me to save my ego. But with over 100 lbs up on her i can toss her around like she's nothing.

But i would probably get killed by someone like Cris Cyborg who has more testosterone than i do.

Thats not the only black thing your gf has

>tfw no qt sister to grapple you into submission and sit on your face

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Probably. The raw strength tends to be too much.

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>Could a completely untrained male defeat an accomplished female martial artist?

Probably, people overestimate how much of an advantage martial arts training gives them, it's not some magical super power.

Based big yen Suzuki

Yes

Yeah a few of my MMA friends were talking about this and they mentioned how it'd be like fighting someone who out-weighs you by 50-100lbs: you can't really use holds since they can easily muscle out of them and your strength will be hugely ineffective.

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>6’4 sub-200lbs
>raw strength

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yeah dude needs to put on a lot of weight

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I've been stuck at 195 for a while

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You'd demolish her unless you're a giant fucking queer. BJJ is very grappling-centric, and grappling requires you to be able to overpower your opponent to some extent. You think a child could keep you in any kind of hold? A fully grown woman isn't going to be much more of a threat.

Also martial arts isn't actually fighting. Don't get me wrong, knowing a martial art will help you in a fight, but it's not a guaranteed ticket to win, especially if you're a 140 pound woman fighting a man half a foot taller than you and fifty pounds heavier.

>reading comprehension

Start drinking a few pints of milk a day to push your calories up. No reason to be stuck at 195 my dude

in on subtle fap mat thread

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why did i get so turned on.

>You think a child could keep you in any kind of hold?
Yes, there are 14 year olds who could snap OPs shit up

yooo that webm is some cold hearted shit, source?

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lol

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My fubu has practiced BJJ for only 2 years.
I've been boxing for 2 years.
While resting from sex, I asked her to try and choke me while I do my best to defend.
I couldn't defend, and the choking hurt.

Sure, I could have tried to wiggle around and carry her, or slam her from wriggling, but had she exerted more for I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to move from choking so hard.

So yeah I doubt it.

>But that's not the only example. The young German TV moderator Stefan Raab famously challenged then-world champion Regina Halmich to a boxing match. He lost by points because he didn't really train for it and she was not able to, again, knock him out or hurt him, even though he was a complete noob.
This is such bullshit. I just watched that boxing match and she was beating him from pillar to post. She rocked him a bunch of times, and even sent him flying into the ropes and nearly out of the ring.
She fucking brutalized him and even when he came forward looking to land shots she just deflected them and hit him back. The only reason she didn't KO him was because it was a friendly exhibition.

As for the chick MMA thing I also call bullshit. MMA is a huge sport for me and I've never heard of that fucking thing happening and it sounds made up. Even if it wasn't it clearly didn't play out like you described as your description of the Halmich v Raab boxing match was completely fabricated.

>skinny twink manlets that probably weigh less than the girl does

What movie is this from?

Definitely taps into primal rape fantasies lol

no source nigger

This is why a man should weigh 200 pounds

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you cant win in this situation. go hard and the chads will jump in and kick your ass. go easy and the chick goes try hard and that happens

Yes. Just use pain compliance. Extremely strong neck grips, neck pulling, full bodyweight directed pressure. Just keep your hands close to your body. If slams are allowed, I mean, that speaks for itself.

>not posting full video

>While resting from sex, I asked her to try and choke me while I do my best to defend.
Just grab and jam her arms, what sort of faggot are you

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>your clumsy attempts submissions will work against someone who actually trains and specialises in them
lmao at all these niggers who think they can muscle their way out of an armbar because they pulled 4plate for a single

Then you must do it!

>Implying being pinned down by a sweaty poon straight to the face can be considered losing

Don't go to the ground and yeah, weight height and strength go a lot further than most of this board will admit.

>don’t go to ground
>against a fighter who specialises and taking people to the ground
If OPs sister is actually good she’ll fold him like a napkin

pls do

Well that's the point, it's not easy to lock in a submission on someone 50 pounds heavier than you at all. If it's locked in, it's a different story. But generally if you're weak, people can just jam your limbs really easily.

This he outweighs her by 50lbs and outgenders her as well.

Wreck her OP

I'm a BJJ blue belt, also wrestled and boxed. I'm strong as an ox, to add to that. I had people in my weight class not being able to straighten my arm in an armbar. A woman can never do it.

>armbar

This is why I do heavy bicep curls breh, trained for this all my youth.

Could a completely untrained 120lb male beat a trained 120lb girl

I dont have it. She rubs his face against her asshole and he gets a boner from what i can remember

Actually, that's not a double negative. He essentially said "You would not win and the reason you wouldn't win has nothing to do with her being trained."

Perhaps you should be able to read and write at a seventh grade level before correcting other people's grammar? Just a thought.

there also must be more to this, right

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If she has some muscle and its "real" training not some Americanized no contact fighting BJJ dojo then ya. With out training you wont know what the fuck to do when certain stuff starts happening.

That said, if you spent under a year of learning the same shit she had you would probably beat her. Once you know basics you can muscle your way through stuff and that 10 years is just to get slightly better at it

grip her wrists one day around the house and squeeze them as hard as you can, I'm very sure that she would either cry and tell you it hurts or you will break bones. Women are a lot weaker than you think they are.

just throw bricks at her till she falls town

I dont know

If you start standing and just bull-rush and give her a shoulder check you'd win, but if you get taken down or end up in her guard you'll probably lose. Beginners basically give you free armbars all day.

how do you not get a boner here. dude must be gay as hell.

I could beat the entire woman's UFC division starting from the bottom seed and working my way up so I was most tired fighting the current champ.

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Most people who practice or train anything aren't actually good. I guarantee the average trained fighter could not make up for an 80lbs size difference

not really, she's twice as strong as that 13 y/o kid

>Most people who practice or train anything aren't actually good

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You either aren't actually good at anything, or don't interact with other people trying to develop a skill. Most people suck.

It's not too hard to understand retard. It's just like how most people that go to conventional gyms are weak and have shit lifts, most people that train BJJ are shit at it.

Please. I need this for later.

idk but you can check out Irreversible for a kino rape scene

I remember back in middle school they made everyone take self defence classes. The instructor was a 25ish year old woman who had a black belt in karate or some shit.

We were learning how to release someone's grip on your arm by turning it towards where their index and thumb meet.

She made me come up and help her demonstrate by making me grab her arm. However, she couldn't break my grip even with that technique. I then purposely let go because I thought something was wrong and was getting embarassed. Keep in mind I was only about 5'8 and 125lb aged 13 at the time. She was around 5'6 and probably about the same weight.

I can't imagine any woman who can release my grip now that I'm 6 inches taller, 70lb heavier, and can double overhand 325 on the deadlift.

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Oh no, not a 325lbs deadlift!

*Gasps*

*Dies*

Reading is hard, isn't it? That is for double overhand. Mixed grip is 430.

If you was 5'9 and 145lbs, she'd completely destroy you.
But you're 6'4 195lbs, even if she wanted to put you to the floor she physically wouldn't be able to. It's why weight classes are a thing.

not the other guy but I double overhand 405 for 5x5
325 double overhand isn’t impressive

maybe to an autist like you but the fact of the matter is that picking up 300lbs regularly is something that 99% of humans can't do

You seem to be misunderstanding the point. Which was that a grown and trained woman could not release the grip of a skinny teenager. An adult male should be then able to immobilize a woman by gripping her arms alone.

Imagine if you get into the receiving end of an armbar and just curl the entire girl up, stand up and carry her to the bedroom (still wrapped around your arm/chest) and proceed to fuck her silly....

THATS making it

Lol y u mad tho? Catchin feelings lil nigga?

6'4" and 195
wtf is this ultra skelly mode?

im not mad, im not catching feelings, im not little and im not a nigga

It's about context. I've gotten lapdances from 9/10's and didn't get a boner cause I paid for it. If I got the same dance without paying I could cut diamonds.

Well its your sister so it's not like you'll be striking hard so you'll be grappling in which case it's probably a fair fight.

No. Bjj is one of those martial arts where the significantly weak can beat the strong. I've seen lower weight class take down guys as twice as big in bjj

>your grip failing so hard that mixed grip gives you an extra 100lbs

user.

>puts hand in her mouth
I know people think that's a sign of dominance, but if the person is really desperate, they could bite down full force. And the human bite, while weak, is still surprisingly powerful. No kidding, i you bite down hard and then shake your head around, you can really, really fuck up someones finger

>baton with no wind up, doesn't even swing at his body
>slowly backpedalling while on the ground instead of kicking at his knees or head when he comes down
>rolls over onto her back under her own power

is this movie made in France?

I'm sure you can double overhand more then. Care to post how you train grip and the results of it?

Someone has been watching movies

>6'4 195 lbs
>fat
not op but it doesnt take a genius to figure this one out

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You would get destroyed