How did specialists of an entire country managed to fuck up this bad?

I figured this response was coming.

The science seems to change every year and each camp has its warriors. I guess you are part of the low carb camp. That’s cool.

I’m just sharing my own personal experiences. Low fat worked great for me, even if it’s not trendy and doesn’t excite people.

Even at the minimum "requirements" that's a lot of food to consume total.

all dairy is unnecessary

it's only on there at all because of dairy lobbying

How old are you? Do you realize you're basing your philosophy of eating on just a few years of living? I'm assuming you're young too which also means that your body can pretty much handle any diet and feel relatively well. Do you realize that diseases from bad eating habits don't show up after decades of eating the wrong food? I don't know dude, it just makes a lot more sense to me to eat the foods that humans have been eating for their entire existence, rather than just the past few thousand years.

>there are people on this board RIGHT NOW who eat dairy products

Are you literally retarded? This is one of the "good" pyramids, aka one of the types that was still in use when the USDA decided to release this garbage (pic related).

>Thing is impossible to tell the relative amounts of what you should be eating
>Motherfucking exercise symbol, just like that fat girl who thinks walking on a tredmill for 5 min is going to burn off an xxl carmel frappachino

Just because fit loves to consume 200 grams of protein a day doesn't mean that should be recommended for the entire population of mainly sedentary amerifats

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my metabolism is fat adapted bc it is best for my body type, but there is nothing wrong with people liking low fat diets, as long as they work for them.
btw, certain fatty acid combos promote inflammation a lot, like vegetable oil.

The government has an incentive to keep demand for grains high because the US has the capacity to produce heroic amounts of the stuff that can potentially be used to great effect in international relations and warfare. If demand drops then farms may shut down or reduce production, which would make it harder to spin that production back up whenever the government wants it. Lots of ag subsidies exist for similar reasons.

Yeah duh, vegetable oils are a relatively new food and along with carbs are the worst things you could eat; hence why they're promoted by the government.

alright then ideally it would be
>vegetables (on bottom)
>fruit, with note on blood sugar
>lean meats, fish, eggs, nuts
>whole wheat
>dairy on top, with note of it being unnecessary
and also the tdee guideline

it's easier than that, it's simple lobbyism.
grains are fattening, the us produce a lot of grains, fat people with high blood sugar bc of grains tend to eat more often bc of huge amounts of insulin, et voila: you've got the current state of the western world. money is made, humans are worth nothing.

Why lean meats if you include nuts in the same category?

Im talking about the contents ratios being all fucking wrong. Just saying "11 servings of carbs" is one of the reasons this country is riddled with obseity and diabetes.
I do know that there was a sidenote explanation that said stuff such as "1 serving = 100kcal", but it was hardly ever published.
Finally, eating more carbs than veggies is retarded in pretty much any diet.

Your pic however is both a design abomination and a diet abomination.

Pretty much these. Diabetes is one of the most profitable diseases. The sugar and grain industries are among the richest. Grain is easy to grow, and the government can GMO the fuck out of it, etc. But lets face it, it's not like we have enough pasture to feed people the proper foods anyways. In an ideal world we could get rid of more than half the population and properly feed everyone using the land and not use up so many resources, but if you want to feed everyone and have them participate in the economy then they must be fed grains; even if it results in long term damage for the earth and unhealthy synthetic humans, what matters to them it's that it is profitable.

Basically, slaves eat grains:
youtube.com/watch?v=7lBEVfUwOZw

>vegetables
>all meat, eggs
>grains, fruit
>nuts, seeds
>dairy
>oils that aren't vegetable oil, sauce type things
With the addition of occasional shit food somewhere on the side.

The thing is, giving hard definitions to some stuff will always be stupid.
Vegetables > Proteins > or ~= Unprocessed Carbs is pretty much the only thing i think most people would agree.
Dairy can be a supplement to both carbs and proteins
Nuts and olive oils are the best source of natural fats, but might be replaced by some decent quality red meat once a while.

that's true.
it just pisses me off. started to get chubby as a child, parents didn't know better and fed me tons of low-fat, high carb stuff, started my first diet on a deficit when i was 14, got weak and cold all the time, got more chubby afterwards.
took me until i was about 27 to realize that the whole concept of low fat is bullshit for me.
massively hooked on carbs at that point.
i took the necessary changes, but i still miss bowls of pasta sometimes. whole shit fucked up a lot of my socialisation during puberty, girls and stuff. meh.

Dont forget how much the government loves its corn. It is has highly protectionist policies about it and subsidize a lot of its production.
SO MUCH CORN WE HAVE TO TOSS IT IN EVERYTHING
High Fructose Corn Syrup giving everyone diabetes probably already killed more americans than any other substance known to man

I feel you, but we can't really blame our parents since they didn't know any better; the government just tells them that carbs and grains are healthy and fat is unhealthy. Most parents give their kids candies simply because it tastes good to the children and makes them happy in the instant.

I personally didn't grow up on such a sugar oriented diet, but when I switched to a low carb diet a few years, I noticed a huge reduction in my anxiety and social behavior, for example, I completely stopped biting my nails. I've noticed this a lot in other people too, most people whom I know that are awkard in public or are socially anxious have terrible eating habits and eat a ton of sugar/carbs.

yeah, and the treatment of diabetes type 2 makes you lose a faith in "medical experts".
>let's give people with too much insulin insulin!
>oh, they're getting fatter
>ok, let's give them some more!
and big pharma celebrates.

>Nuts and olive oils are the best source of natural fats
see, that's the problem. olive oil is good, but saturated fats, which means animal fats, are also crucial and way healthier than those dumb pyramids wanna make you believe. not getting enough saturated fat can mess up your t levels, for example. and there is scientific evidence for all of this, has been there for a long time.

>Government is staggeringly stupid and inept due to functioning entirely off violence, sheltered from any market force that would reward competency and punish colossal failure

News at 11

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what's wrong with dairy? I love me some greek yogurt. milk occasionally too. and cheese.

fair enough about animal fats.
I dont know much about those details because i eat both in moderation.

i tried greek yogurt for the first time today, shits nasty

>all dairy is unnecessary

So are meats and fish and fruits and vegetables and grains.

Your life is unnecessary, yet you continue to do it, to the great detriment of the species.

Technically, its absolutely optional for your diet and only help to hit your macros.
There is a reason why milk intolerance is so common. In fact, i think that because of china and india, milk tolerant people are actually the minority. Your body doesnt need it at all.

Nothing. It’s the same lactose intolerant fags and kids who don’t like milk who shit on dairy. Dairy is fine.

plain or flavored? I eat vanilla almost daily. 150 calories for 175g of the stuff, 18g protein, 0g fat, 22g carbs. it's fucking awesome.

funny thing is: their parents ate a diet high in meat, fermented food, animal fat and some natural starch sources. only the high availability of grains and the sudden demonization of fat during the 70s changed everyones diet for the worse.
and you're right about the effects of an extreme high carb diet on behaviour: maybe people wouldn't be as hysterical as they are today if they wouldn't stuff their faces with carbs five times a day.

i'd say there's a lot of foods we don't need, does that mean they're unhealthy necessarily? idk m8

plain, ill have to give vanilla a shot

I was under the impression it was because the producers of grains funded the studies

yeah don't do plain unless you intend to liberally mix with fruit. I know the macros are better but the taste is just awful.

i learned that the hard way

also don't fall for the cottage cheese meme either, shit tastes worse than vomit. it only becomes bearable with fruit and even then, bearable is a long shot.

if you chop off the bottom part of the pyramid it's not so bad

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Are you fuckin retarded?
How the fuck are you so stupid that you can believe rice, one of the simplest easily digested carbs causes more inflammation than fucking meat, milk, and cheese?

yeah thats something else i looked into but never really bothered
i have gotten into coconut milk though and its pretty good,

I'm with you on that one, all this propaganda regarding milk has scared me and my penchant for milk. Girlfriend says almond milk is great but I don't know if I trust it.

> Just saying "11 servings of carbs" is one of the reasons this country is riddled with obseity and diabetes.

> 2018
> He thinks carbs is what makes people fat
fat is the culprit my friend.
And high carb low fat diets, primarily plant based, are used to treat literally all diet related health problems

fat is hard to overeat and is filling
carbs are easy to overeat and leave you more hungry as well as promote fat storage

Thats not how the body metabolizes fat.
Its easier to become fat and clog your arteries with fat produced by your own body due converting sugars into fat than eating pure animal fat.

>fat is the culprit my friend.

Is it 1974 in here?

100 calories of dietary fat isn't going to make you any fatter than 100 calories of carbs. But eating a disproportionately high amount of carbs, like the fucking idiot Food Pyramid recommended, combined with the next-to-zero physical activity the average American gets, is liable to cause The Beetus.

High fat diets don't do that.

>fat is hard to overeat
No if you overeat at all it's quite easy overeating foods that are mostly made of fats.

Mhm, a food that's made exactly of what my flesh is made of, and a food that's made exactly of what my mom's milk was made of are bad for me and hard to digest? Oh but this hard seed that's man made is healthy and easy to digest?

Here, vegan retard, educate yourself:
>A food-related health problem that has likely been overlooked relates to bioactive substances in edible plants. Many of these are part of the defense system against herbivores and the highest concentration is accordingly found in seeds, including beans and grains. A review will be given of some of these phytochemicals, their sources and their potential negative health effects, including (but not limited to) the following: 1. Lectins (WGA, SCA, PHA, SBA, PNA etc); From wheat, rye, beans, peanuts, barley, potato, rice, lentils, tomato, etc; Barrier disruption (gut, blood vessels etc), tyrosine kinase receptor binding (thus competing with insulin, EGF, IGF), red blood cell agglutination, intestinal bacterial overgrowth etc. 2. Saponins (tomatine, solanine, chaconine, etc); From tomato, potato, soya, quinoa seeds, alfalfa sprouts etc; Barrier disruption, adjuvant (immune) activity etc. 3. Protease inhibitors (Inhibitors of trypsin, alpha-amylase, chymotrypsin etc.); From soya, cereal grains, legumes, potatoes, egg white etc; Protease inhibition with subsequent undigested proteins/peptides potentially entering the circulation, allergenic activity etc.

youtube.com/watch?v=pb3CFXcqEcI

That's literally the exact opposite my friend. You are confusing complex carbs with sugar.

Fat is the least satiating of the 3 macro nutrients.
Complex carbs are burned off easily by your body because it's the bodies preferred primary energy and it gets stored as glycogen. Fat is the reserve energy. The fat you eat is literally the fat you wear.
When you think of a fat fuck munching on cake or cookies and think "yeah too many carbs lol" what you don't realize is those products have a fuck load of fat in them.
The two main evils are FAT and SUGAR.

look at all the doctors that promote high fat low carb diets, all of them are fat
all the high carb low fat promoters are lean.

>entire existence
>past few thousand years

Are you really that stupid? Its 2018 the entire existence of humanity IS a few thousand years retard.
Keep on eating your high fat diet fatty

> Mhm, a food that's made exactly of what my flesh is made of, and a food that's made exactly of what my mom's milk was made of are bad for me and hard to digest? Oh but this hard seed that's man made is healthy and easy to digest?

Wow. Just wow.

funni for a lot of reasons

High carb low fat diets are used to treat diabetes

>tripfag trying to talk down to anyone

refined sugar and fat is the culprit.
not complex carbs like rice, potatoes, and vegtables

>american education

high iq user spotted.

>The fat you eat is literally the fat you wear.
Thats the most fuckign retard thing i read tonight.
The fat you wear is sugar turned into fat.
You can become a whale by eating nothing more than rice and potatoes

The one of the best diet in the world, the Mediterranean, that is proven to work for millennia, has little carbs, a significant amount of fats (fish and olives), lean protein and some red meat.

>SO MUCH CORN WE HAVE TO TOSS IT IN EVERYTHING
I get angry that milk gets tossed into everything even my fucking taco seasoning packets. At least corn doesn't cause skin flare ups.

All the doctors that promote high fat, low carbs diet are fat

All the doctors that promote high carb, low fat are lean.

Humans have been around for more than 200,000 years, humans have only been farming and eating a substantial amount of grains for a bit over 10,000 years. Of course, you'll believe what you want to believe and will talk about how hurr durr we used to eat wild wheat and shit; yeah okay, you try getting at least 100 calories form wheat in a 10 mile radius, or you try and get any wild wheat at all in the winter.

>I'll just make myself believe that this argument is bad because it goes against my vegancuck beliefs and I'll completely ignore Biology 101
Woudln't want you to try and debate me anyways since that poor brain of your just doesn't have enough nutrients to make an argument.

Thats the second or third time you posted this in the last 10 minutes, no one cares about your arguments without proof. Not even worth a (you).
Yes, im talking to you, retard

Almond milk is just water with a tiny amount of almonds crushed up and some vitamins thrown in.

Look at how these retarded emaciated vegan cucks argue; jesus christ you are pathetic. I don't need some celebrity doctor to reassure me that a ketogenic diet is the most natural diet (literally all mammals are in ketosis and babies are born in ketosis). But here you go faggot, counterexamples to your retarded argument:
youtube.com/watch?v=AnyFVWwzgJI
youtube.com/watch?v=cbURzlv4NKg

FUCKING lol.
keto diets have given children heart attacks. Anyone who promotes keto should be shot.

>carnivore diet
100% retarded

> keto diet most natural
i guess its natural to die in your 40s from heart disease too

Did anybody actually follow the advice in this pyramid? I just ignored that shit and spaced out through the lesson in elementary school and forgot it even existed until they revised it.

a lot of people did
the us dietary guidelines first came out in around 1978 iirc

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Holy fucking autism

>yeah, and the treatment of diabetes type 2 makes you lose a faith in "medical experts"
Oh fuck off you retard. Yes, you can effectively cure type 2 by modifying the diet and getting a brisk 30 minute walk 5 times a week, but getting these blobs to maybe only eat one desert meal a day is next to impossible. What's the next step if they won't make a lifestyle change? Pump them full of exogenous insulin to keep from developing the nasty comorbidities that go along with diabetes. I bet you think vaccines cause autism too you faggot.

I'll be damned. Thanks, user.

The best diets in the world are the ones located in the blue zones, which are pretty largely plant and grain based.

No. I didn't even know what a macro was until highschool when I started weightlifting and got tricked into drinking 4 scoops and 32 ounces of milk every day with peanutbutter lmao. I went overboard falling the bulking meme etc.

The problem is nobody ever really followed those recommendations. People are fucking idiots and don't realize there's a ton of hidden fats in a lot of the bread one eats.

>tripfag

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>literally quoting VG

opinion discarded

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This kills the vegan.

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I dont believe a diet of a geographical areas with a made up name.
Hell, 2 of the so called "bluezones" are in the fucking Mediterranean sea.

>t. low carbs retard

Though it's funny the carbs portion is all wheat, that is pretty deceiving. Rice is a way superior source.

>Human: Survival without animal protein: Impossible
really makes you think

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Looks about right to me.
~50% carbs
~30% protons
~20% fats ( since meat/diary comes with)

>all dairy is unnecessary
ye but it's delicious and pretty good for you

>Shawn Baker
docfinder.docboard.org/nm_orders/Baker, Shawn Mark.pdf
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

300ml plain greek yoghurt mixed with 100g oats and some frozen berries and an optional bit of honey is the GOAT breakfast

I mean, if you call that living.

>Gaul Bladder

>all dairy is unnecessary
Enjoy your osteoporosis.

>sometimes i pull it so hard i rip the skin

>t. lactose intolerant
Can you be any more obvious?

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because they didn't "fuck up" unintentionally.

big pharmacies basically.

they want to give you food related sickness so they can give you meds to make it worse. then they prescribe more meds

Almond milk is nice if you're lactose intolerant. Also if you want something to serve the role of milk in a beverage while cutting