Games Workshop decides to make 40K more of a 'Humanity, fuck yeah' universe...

I don't get why they don't, most of the arguments against it don't really stand up to the wealth of smaller armiest they have been pushing out, clowns and inquisituin getting their own weird little codice and two mechanicus armies with full mini range. It's not like it would even be a overwhelmingly extensive line since most of the kits could use a lot of the same parts.

>I don't get why they don't
THEY CAN'T INTO HAIR...
...Or was that Robes?

Please someone fix those lips

If GW made an updated SoB line of models they would have to be anatomically correct or people will revolt. I personally don't think GW has that capability. I don't think people would want a new army if they all have masculine faces unless they cared about the lore more than the aesthetic, which we all know isn't the case.

Why sisters and not Militarum Tempestus?

the scions are a coed force of elite human soldiers, the best of the best of humanity, though they are not above humanity.

their new cad models are pretty good with detail but I still think they will end up with goofy faces and bowl cuts

bump

Both disproven by WHFB elves and Sternguard robes so it doesn't really matter which one they go with.

Just up the sallet count.

Using Science to become more than Human is part of "Humanity, fuck yeah!" too.

First off, they'd never do it, since that would kill off their best selling line.

If they did it at all, it would be in some sort of 'what-if' alternate universe where Marines didn't happen or all got wiped out mysteriously.

In such a what-if scenario, I think it could be rather neat. Sisters would be able to take on the Angel-motifs more fully, and could possibly get a bit more variety and breathing space. It makes humanity's primary defenders along the lines of a bunch of angelic paladins in a more traditional sense, though still human.

It'd probably give the Imperium even more of a Religious bent, though they'd also likely be in a better place as there wouldn't be Chaos Sisters of Battle, just cultists stealing their armor.

Overall I think it would shift 40k into a bit of a brighter setting, more towards traditional fantasy with a clear light side and dark side without as much grimdark due to Sisters literally being powered by faith like typical clerics.

I'd support this. SoB helmets are stylish

>Games Workshop decides to make 40K more of a 'Humanity, fuck yeah' universe

You know
GW might be dumb, i mean, they make terrible decisions all the time
But one thing is certain- they newer will be dumb enough to do this.

Yeah. Sallet Helm are fantastic.

Going to suggest this as well. Make SoBs veiled or helmeted. Because of their vows or whatever they don't show their faces, because humility and chastity and w/e.

So exchange BDSM nuns for power armored Muslim nuns.

I like SoBs, but they shouldn't be their own army. They should be elite troop choices in IG armies,.and have their stats and prestige buffed to represent this, and their kit folded into the Astra. Then you give them all helmets or veils so no man face.

>I like SoBs, but they shouldn't be their own army. They should be elite troop choices in IG armies,.and have their stats and prestige buffed to represent this, and their kit folded into the Astra. Then you give them all helmets or veils so no man face.

The issue is that they belong to an entirely different organization with no real overlap in structure.

It would be like having Guard as the basic troops in a Space Marine army.

It just wouldnt be Warhammer 40k to me without SPACE MARINES!

It's be just grimdark fantasy #101-B, Space Waifu edition. I like the idea of the Adeptus Astartes, fearsome bulwark againts terror; these complicated genetic horrors, horrifying monsters made from sacrificing human children on the altar of war, then splicing them with augmentations and genetic modifications...and maybe, the few that survive, get to become initiates.

It's cool.
SOB's are just Nuns with Guns...IN SPACE!
Which is cool, but it's just one of the cool things of what makes Wh40k cool.

Or Marines as the Elites for an Imperial guard army.

They all make about as much sense, but they're separate forces because they operate separately from one another.

Besides, if Space Marines can have 5 books, SoB can have one.

Space Marines are iconic and their own army due to important lore reasons that lay the foundation of the setting. The Heresy and the separation of powers are fundamental to the setting and more important than Vandire and the Apostasy.

There's no reason for the Ecclesiarchy to NOT loan its elite bodyguards to the Astrum anyway. Hence, ELITE TROOP.

And quite frankly chapter serfs SHOULD be a SM unit.

If you want SoB to be their own thing bring back their status as internal affairs, make them a troop choice for inquisition and the 'police' for space Marines like Commissars are for IG. An outside political officer that's tolerated to certain degree's because politics

>Besides, if Space Marines can have 5 books, SoB can have one.

This, I'm a marinefag and I have trouble keeping up with the constant supplements and other crap. Got so many fucking formations keep mixing them up.

why'd they do that, when Stormtroopers (fuck you, Tempestus Scions is a stupid name) fit the bill better anyway?

>There's no reason for the Adeptus Astartes to NOT loan its elite honorguards to the Astrum anyway.

Fluff-wise single marines or small squads have been known to do crazy amounts of work. Really, by the fluff, there's little reason to ever have most of the chapter in one place and operating their own tanks and vehicles rather than just performing as elite strike teams for IG forces.

After all, why waste the ultimate stealthy killing machines by having them march across a battlefield in open warfare when a handful of assault marines can cut the head off of any rebellion in a matter of hours?

>There's no reason for the Ecclesiarchy to NOT loan its elite bodyguards to the Astrum anyway. Hence, ELITE TROOP.

There's more reasons to do it than not.

1. It helps defend the Imperium.

2. IG and IN are the strong arm of the Imperium, thus keeping them close is important to further consolidate the Ecclesiarchy's power within the Imperium. The Ecclesiarchy will not need the SoB to win their wars so long as the IG and IN are loyal to them.

3. Again, without them the Imperium is fucked, don't want them falling to Chaos or Xenos influence, so a tight grip must me kept on them.

Seriously, the actual work of the SoB are closer to being that of the NKVD mixed with cheerleaders/postergirls. The SoB are not a proper army, they don't have the hardware, manpower or turbodrugs to win campaigns on their own like the SM or IG. They exist to reign in Imperial forces on behalf of the party, I mean Ecclesiarchy. Being an all female force capable of rushing in to take down something that's giving the IG trouble, they also present a very sympathetic outward face of the Ecclesiarchy to the largely male guardsmen. Plus, being all female, guardsmen again will feel further driven to try to help them out should they get in trouble, so your expensive elite soldiers who just got themselves in trouble going deep to melta some shit now have the cover or a lot of guardsmen who are more willing to risk their lives for them than if they were all dudes.

You probably could have an all SoB army on a campaign on their own, but they're too vulnerable a fighting force compared to how many resources are put into them. The guard don't have this problem, because they can always throw more men at the problem, and space marines a space marines.

It's not a waste when those stealthy killing machines also are capable of just gathering up into a critical mass of kick ass and just tear ass across enemy land and fuck shit up like some ghost division bullshit.

Plus I like the knightly order in space thing, that every once in a while, they all just ride out to meet a particularly significant evil for some heroic war porn.

>Sisters of Battle are to vulnerable to field on their own due to how many resources they get

Meanwhile, Space marines are ten times worse.

If a Sister of Battle dies in war? The Order has several thousand members on the lower end, and even if it was a seasoned Canonness you're looking at maybe 40 years of experience down the drain. Any equipment they had can likely be recovered and repaired.

If a Space Marine dies? They've only got 999 left. If they want to replace them, they have to go through a lengthy recruiting process with hundreds of candidates, with no guarantee of quick results. Even if it goes well, you're dealing with the lost of a soldier that had been around for decades if not centuries. The investment of time and training that went into them is massive.

Saying that SoB waging open war doesn't make sense while hand-waving Space Marines doing the same is just dumb.

Except it is a waste, because instead of gathering them all up in one spot, you can have a small squad assassinate all the leadership and then have Imperial Guard roll over whatever remains using numbers.

There's no reason to have Marines function as a separate army except for rule of cool, which is the same reason SoB get to be their own army.

Also, if the Space Marine dies in such a way that his corpse is unrecoverable, you're in extra trouble because now you're down an extremely difficult to replace geneseed.

>GW
>Nuking their own game

I wouldn't be surprised

You're just retarded. It's literally simpler than it's ever been. Main codex + Angels of Death. Done.

The ONLY MEQ army that still has more than 2 books to buy is BA. Everyone else only has one codex to buy, or one codex and one campaign/supplement.

Space marines have been fluffed over and over again to be bullshit space knight supermen. SoB and SM could both get in/on their vehicles and bikes and tie down a much larger number of enemies than themselves simply by their presence and then keep up the tempo to choose their targets. Difference is, once marines hit, they hit harder, so they're less likely to get bogged down and caught up with. Further, should they get bogged down or surrounded, SM again are a lot more likely to be able to just cut their way out with comparatively fewer losses than the SoB and be able to complete their objective. If SoB get surrounded by orks, they better have a LOT of flamers ready, because when those orks get close enough, the SoB get rekt, SM stand a fair is not good chance to just rekt the orks in CC rather than shooting. Marines can afford to be more aggressive because they are a lot more resilient than SoB, they run less risk by being aggressive.

While the loss of a space marine is worse than that of a sister, it is also a much less likely to happen. The guardsman is a safe investment because you don't invest a whole lot, a marine is a safe investment because you're gonna get a LOT out of what you spend on him, a sister has a material investment almost comparable to a marine but with a lot more ways that it can be lost.

That too. If a Sister gets crushed to a pulp, you lose her armor and weapons.

If a Marine gets crushed to a pulp, you lose the armor, weapons, and geneseed implants, which are slow to grow.

Marine chapters are quite vulnerable to getting wiped out if things go poorly.

The material investment is literally just equipment. Meanwhile, you can far easily field more sisters than you can space marines.

Sisters aren't as great as Marines in CC, but they've got guns that are just as good and the aim to match.

The issue is that you're assuming an equal number of Sisters to an equal number of Marines, when in reality you're looking at 2 or 3 Sisters for each.

Sisters are easier to train, equip, replace, and field in large numbers. Marines take more time, more effort, and have a cap on how many a Chapter can have.

The main situations where Marines have an advantage are extreme close-quarters, meaning they're better suited to smaller shock-and-awe attacks and raids on facilities where several squads won't get randomly blown up by artillery fire.

Any reason for Space Marines to be fielded as a full army applies just as much if not more to Sisters of Battle.

>If SoB get surrounded by orks, they better have a LOT of flamers ready

I think that's kinda one of the defining traits of the SOB.

Eh, I dunno. One of the draws of the SoBs is their humanity and personality. Both they and the IG occupy the niche of being just regular humans that somehow persevere in a galaxy of untold horrors, where virtually everybody else is far stronger and more dangerous than a human. IG does it through grit, manpower, and war machines. SoBs do it through faith and devotion.

So under that perspective, making them essentially faceless and identical would de-emphasize their humanity and normalcy and diminish that aspect pretty significantly.

I'd love to see more customization options for SOB. Mostly different religious looks.

So one order could go with veils, another could have a shinto theme with naginatas and robes patterned more of Mikos than tabard and such.

But that would require the SOB to get the sort of kit support that Marines get and literally no army gets that but marines.

I'd still like more sallets.

Really hope they make some kind of kit like with tactical squads and such for SoB, with lots of options so you can decide you sallets to bobcut ratio.

I never got the "1000" space marines per chapter thing.Such a small number for a military elite force that's supposed to be awesome.

Either each Space Marine is capable of miracles and is worth a hundred elite normal men, or something is wrong.

Also, if they only are allowed a thousand at the same time, what happens due to normal replenishment programmes? Like obviously it takes time to train a SM recruit, likely decades. Does that mean that there's actively a number above the 1000 active member mark of actual SM vs the number of SM trainees? So the actual real number of SM soldiers is higher?

What happens when, let's say there's a peaceful year, and you end up with 1010 fully trained Space Marines...what happens?

>Games Workshop decides to make 40K more of a 'Humanity, fuck yeah'

I leave, right there. It completely goes against the main charm of 40k for me.

>What happens when, let's say there's a peaceful year, and you end up with 1010 fully trained Space Marines...what happens?
>let's say there's a peaceful year
>40k
>a peaceful year
What part of "there is only war" do you not understand? Besides, they're always on the move, if there are enemies left to kill in the galaxy, murangs are gonna go get them.

Anyway, that shit happens all the time, in most chapters it's just 1000ish, and the 1000 number is really poorly inforced since some chapters have like 6000ish standing marines at all times.

>So the actual real number of SM soldiers is higher?
Yes

>you end up with 1010 fully trained Space Marines...what happens?

Creative book keeping. You quickly rush off a few extra dudes for Techmarine training, so they won't count. Brother Sergeant Barry was interred as a Dreadnought a few months back. We've taken him off our list of "Marines" but you have yet to add him to your list of Dreadnoughts, paperwork takes years to sort out for this kind of thing, dontchaknow.

Hmm? Those extra few hundred dudes? Successor chapter. Yes they have our colours and heraldry, share our homeworld and answer to us but we're definitely not a Legion, no sir.

>Hmm? Those extra few hundred dudes? Successor chapter. Yes they have our colours and heraldry, share our homeworld and answer to us but we're definitely not a Legion, no sir.

No waifu fag, their draw is being psychotic bondage nuns with flame throwers. That is the extent of their design documentation.

Imperium Secundus 2.0 Imperium Secundus Secundus? Imperium Terterium? here we come

Basically, only the first 100 scouts and all the tactical, devastator, and assault marines are actually counted in the 1000 marine limit.

'Support staff' marines like apothecaries, tech marines, and librarians are not counted not all the serfs and staff needed to operate ships and guard their fortresses.

Last I checked, the chapter master and his honor guard aren't counted either though I may be misremembering on that point.

Okay, this makes more sense...'creative' book keeping.

"No, No, THESE guys are just the 'HONOR guards, bro!"

"No! These guys totally dont count!"

"These are our Successor Chapter, the HYPERMARINES, bro".

It isn't even creative, it is basically said in the codex.

Just because it's canon doesn't mean it isn't still textbook creative book keeping

>A honor guard of 3000 marines

Seems legit.

Could I get a source on Scions being coed?

I don't think I've ever seen a female Scion/Stormtrooper, in model form, in Codexes or in novels.

I assumed that the martially inclined female Progena went to the Sisterhood and the martially inclined male Progena went to the Tempestus.

My immediate thought is it would upset the balance of power between Administratum, Mechanicus and Ecclesiarchy, making the Ecclesiarchy by far the most dominant.

On the face of it, I don't like that change, because it reduces the number of possible stories; the three great branches of the Imperium needing each other but also being in competition gives excellent opportunities for fun political plots.

>Inquisitor: Okay, I can tolerate such a great honor guard if the chapter master needs it, but what about these 500 excess marines?
>Armament master: Uh.. Those are janitors, sir
>Inquisitor: Fully trained janitors in servo armor and weapons?
>Armament master: Yes sir, they're just really good at... janitoring, so we gave them better tools!

That actually runs into an issue I have with a lot of 40k books.

The Ecclessiarchy barely seems to be a major part of the Imperium or a needed one in many books. Which feels weird when it's one of the three pillars on which the Imperium stands.