Mage 2e announcement

eh for me its either whites or Asians. Though I am also a boobman.
Pic is related as it is a vampire.

>Do you modify the other gamelines do suit the one your playing
Absolutely. It's what makes Hunter the Vigil the best gameline, IMO. I especially love it when I get to remind my players that everything they know from the other games is meaningless here.

Remembering that the guy casting fireballs was actually using explosives is a pretty big drawback. Adding that the hunters would suffer breaking points by simply trying to remember the "truth" is already bad.

Well, the picture's got the title in it so it's not like it's hard to miss.

Unknown Armies books did minorities so much better it's not even funny. Guess it comes with Stolze and Tynes being actual writers who know how to make a character. Look at The Freak in Godwalker: hermaphroditic nonbinary WHO IS THE DIVINE AVATAR OF GENDER TRANSGRESSION, and it comes out as deep, sympathetic, complex and interesting.

It takes more than just slapping together three tokens you haven't used yet and pulling a foreign sounding name out of BabyNames.com.

I'm glad we agree that characters who get entire novels about them have more depth and character than a 100-150 word character example in a splat entry.

Of course the irony is that people tried to stir up the same kind of shit we've got now with Unknown Armies 3e and it didn't work, so the new tactic is to move the goalposts.

Textbook special snowflake.

>It takes more than just slapping together three tokens you haven't used yet and pulling a foreign sounding name out of BabyNames.com.
One of the playtesters is named Lathouras, another is Magkakis. It seems unfair to blame you people you know nothing about for being close-minded when you refuse to acknowledge them having a life.

If you're interested in RPG sourcebooks that do minorities justice, I can't recommend anything by Vajra Enterprises hard enough (especially Fates Worse Than Death). Brian King actually has a policy where he tells artists no single character they draw is allowed to be more than 2 of white, male, straight and attractive, and the fiction is filled to the brim with members of every religion, sexuality and race - and they still manage to remain interesting characters because it's clear that they weren't created around representing a minority. Hell, the THEME of In Dark Alleys is literally "unpopular philosophies are magic", and you got characters who draw superpowers from how gender transgressive they are, or from self-mutilation and cannibalism - and it still manages to do it better.

Was making fun last thread of the terrible use of Practices, and the I see:

Alter Conductivity (Matter 3)
Practice: Ruling

Awesome, can't even tell if the mistake it's the rating or the practice.

The Freak was more sympathetic than any of the poster Muslims in recent CofD books even back when nobody knew what it looked like and all there was on it in the core book was a single paragraph coming down "it will fuck you up". I'd rather be intrigued by a character like that than have hermaphroditism shoved in my face to show me how tolerant the writer is.

Practice.

Altering something's conductivity is a textbook Matter Weaving.

Forces Ruling could achieve a similar result, by just forcing the electricity through/away from the substance, but Matter has to transform that property of the substance.

And yeah, the most egregious one for me is Spirit Summons being a 3-dot Weaving spell, which is all kinds of fucking stupid.

>than any of the poster Muslims in recent CofD books
like who?

The Ichneumon we just talked about. A character whose sole recognizable trait is that she wears a hijab (despite the existence of a painfully bloated yet generic and uninformative description). The narrator from that awful Beast fiction piece whose characterization consisted of half a page of "I'M GAY AND BY GOD, WILL I GET AT THOSE STRAIGHTS!". Half the sample relationships from Requiem, whose descriptions were written as clunkily as needed to possibly include the use of a pronoun that'll show how LGBT they are.

Is the Egyptian guy still here?

That's very clearly a Weaving spell. It's changing a trait of the substance (namely, how well it conducts electricity).

So she wears a hijab? That makes her a shallow Muslim?

Who do you post as on the forums?

Y'know, there is a troubling lack of differently abled or nonthin characters in the book. As a cane-using, obese man, I feel pretty marginalized. Gotta give it to you, this right here's problematic. 'fraid I'm gonna have to call intolerance on this one.

Don't forget to submit the errata on the OP forums.

great b8, amy

When the only things I can possibly know about her is that she was born in Mogadishu, is Silver Ladder and wears a hijab, than yes, I'm going to assume she's Muslim and for all I've been told she is shallow. Robin Laws created lifestories in five lines in Over the Edge. That you choose to spend however many words you've decided to dedicate to her biography waxing poetic on the things she's seen rather than whom she might be, this is what you end up with.

Is it just me, or has Tokyo appeared as a sample city in every CofD core book so far?

In Mage 2e, artifacts are no longer automatically recharging mana batteries.

I imagine that many powergamers will not be pleased.

It's not you, and it's intentional.

All except for Demon.

It's intentional, and all have been written by David Hill, a resident of Japan.

Great, they're reviving Year of the Lotus.

we want the weeb audience

>Davido Hirru, a resident of Japan.

FTFY

Only the homosexuals, though.

and the yoai fangirls

I'm fortunate enough that my first name is so simple for the Japanese to pronounce that back when I was there, I never got asked about my surname. They would've broken their crooked teeth over it.

>Section on Path Gnosis
>Mastigos see the darkness. They see the stains and sins within every soul, lingering inside every mind. They understand motivations, and they can sense the selfishness all around them. Almost nobody is clean and pure. This typically results in a certain amount of cynicism in potent Mastigos. After all, what’s the sense in saving the world, when it’s full of such terrible people?
So Mastigos are Edgy Teenagers and nobody in the Chronicles of Darkness has any good in them.

Got it.

Vajra also made Hoodoo Blues, AKA "Magic Black Man: The Game". It was astonishingly reasonable in terms of racial themes. Blacks, whites and native Americans all got their share of respect, admiration, acknowledgment of their crimes and flaws, and a detailed examination of their beliefs. Yes, the focus was on black folklore, but the entire American South got explored. Funnily enough, if there's anyone that the book regularly beat on, it's the Yankees.

Nigga, any game in which the first step in character creation is describing the essence of their personality using a genre of Southern music is fine by me.

Is that Dorian Pavus on page 312?

>Almost nobody
So you can't read. Got it.

>Ranieri completed the Infrastructure

See you on the other side fellas

Joe Katzenellenbogen?

>I’ll tell you the ultimate secret of magic. Any cunt could do it. –Alan Moore
I was already planning on buying it, but it's now a day-1 buy. I don't have the pic with me atm, but thanks Dave.

You forgot to link Mage2e
mega.nz/#!B4US0aqZ!ZfMiO0LX9FP2pRWGMJKmosYd8PJiChPGx3ZJLKUJZs8

Unknown Armies doesn't do anything better. It's a game where they go "what's subtlety?" and literally every character is a hyper obsessive weirdo.
Plus, If we're really going to bring that last threads' arguments with Status Quo Warriors back, then fuck it.
youtu.be/-r51IZ2qiq4

Can someone post Dave's guide to Consillium setup?
I thought I had it saved, but apparently not

>Alan Moore
>Not John Constantine

>Every character is a hyper obsessive weirdo
>In a game about hyper obsessive weirdos
What a world, ain't it?

Also
>Arcana past the Path Realm limits are now limited to Normal Experiences instead of Arcane Experiences
Any reason for this change? I feel like it even further disincentivizes "wasting" your XP on non-magical stuff.

But that's literally all of the other ones as well. It tells a bit about where they came from and what Order they're in. And all of that is more info than "will fuck you up".

Check the Ghost Wolf art.

Why would any of that write up not be a logical conclusion of the setting? Even most people musing over ethics agree that every person can be shitty sometimes.

Yeah, I expected to read John as the Author, but they put Alan instead.

Nevermind, found it in the archives

>But that's literally all of the other ones as well.
I didn't say the other ones were well-written. We were just discussing this particular instance of it.

wouldnt Joh be more of a Hedge Mage though? He relies mostly on rituals and occult knowledge rather then will powered reality altering spells.

So, I've finished reading Mind, going to Prime, but so far it seems that the "example spells are badly written, look them over twice" rule of thumb is just as useful now as it was in 2e.
The more things change....

>Prime

I meant that it doesn't do subtle nuanced characters. I mean, that's literally not something that it even wants to do. I didn't look too much into because it seems like the kind of thing that would be described as "Gonzo", and I've already got a modern horror game that doesn't involve "Pornomancers" and "Fast Food Mages". The Sanity system looked cool, though.

Should be "Alan Moore, Hellblazer", since it's not something he said in an interview or anything.

Yes, but that means you're complaining that the specific instance isn't radically different from the others. Hence why I linked the video that points out that going into dramatic detail and making every sample character well rounded does nothing but take up time and space.

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Sorry, didn't mean to quote you.

>Yes, but that means you're complaining that the specific instance isn't radically different from the others. Hence why I linked the video that points out that going into dramatic detail and making every sample character well rounded does nothing but take up time and space.

You can't say that with one breath while saying your characters aren't shallow with another. It may be your conscious choice to make them shallow, but that still is the case.

>I didn't look too much into because it seems like the kind of thing that would be described as "Gonzo", and I've already got a modern horror game that doesn't involve "Pornomancers" and "Fast Food Mages".
Shame. You might've learned something.

>I didn't look too much into
werent you the one before complaining about people arguing things they dont understand?
What a fucking hypocrite.

>I didn't look too much into because it seems like the kind of thing that would be described as "Gonzo"
Jesus Christ, I thought that kind of bullshit stopped at people's grandmas seeing pictures of elves in D&D books and deciding they're Satanic grimoires. Unknown Armies is mindblowing fucking masterpiece. It is chillingly beautiful and inspiringly terrifying. It's a diamond bullet to the brain.

And you've decided to give up on it because it had the word "porn".

>I meant that it doesn't do subtle nuanced characters. I mean, that's literally not something that it even wants to do. I didn't look too much into because it seems like the kind of thing that would be described as "Gonzo", and I've already got a modern horror game that doesn't involve "Pornomancers" and "Fast Food Mages". The Sanity system looked cool, though.

Case in point: it's possible to literally be deliberately as in-your-face as possible and come off as being subtler than the guys trying to be.

I believe you when you say that these are the only things you could possibly know from reading it.

>Should be "Alan Moore, Hellblazer", since it's not something he said in an interview or anything.
It is something he said in an interview.

It's something he said John told him when he met him in real life.

Technically the quotee should be John Constantine.

Robin Laws still made characters twice as interesting as that in as many words by pulling adjectives out of a hat. Seriously, it's in Weather The Cuckoo Likes. Try it.

Is Alan Moor an Awakaned? What paths would he be?

I'm saying that you're arguing that a 114 word write up in which we learn a person's name, Shadow Name, hometown, childhood supernatural talents, Mystery Play, current occupation, way of viewing her magic, and personal usage of magic is not as detailed or interesting as a character who's description amounted to "will fuck you up" and later got novels dedicated to them.
You're comparing two completely different types of character.

Learned what? It's not the kind of game I'm interested in.
I'm not saying I'm an expert on it, I'm just saying that the game literally markets itself as the exact opposite of "subtle and well rounded".

>And you've decided to give up on it because it had the word "porn".
What? No. Porn is great. I just don't like the game's attitude. It's the same reason I don't read The Invisibles. Mentioning pornomancers doesn't mean I hate porn. It means I find the idea of becoming a high wizard because you jerk off all day silly. I mean, I'm not a high wizard.

Considering the only kind of people I see even saying that it's in your face are the kind of people who rant and rave that women and minorities are trying to take over...

Unsubtly in your face as possible with a Somali woman wearing something that the majority of Somali women wear.

No, no. The presence of Somali women is pretty in your face. You can only have white guys in your game.

I honestly thought people would complain about Baphomet more.

Unsubtly as in, say, Beast. Just the entire line, really.

>Considering the only kind of people I see even saying that it's in your face are the kind of people who rant and rave that women and minorities are trying to take over...

...you are ignorant? Inexperienced? Sheltered?

>It means I find the idea of becoming a high wizard because you jerk off all day silly.
Would you read the fucking game before saying shit like that? You're beginning to come off like that woman who said Mass Effect was about screwing aliens. You haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about, and the hilarious thing is you're talking shit about a text that's ten times better than the one you're trying to protect (I'm going to be generous here and assume that you haven't also written some of it, making this all the worse).

>I find the idea of becoming a high wizard because you jerk off all day silly
See, as long as you're gonna say that, I'm gonna say I'm morally opposed to Mage being a game about black supremacy and gay terrorism. No, I haven't actually read it! Why would I read something like that? I saw the pictures! Isn't that enough to know what a game is about?

Did you miss the part last thread where someone was saying that kind of thing?

You're doing a terrible job of selling your game to people if this is your elevator pitch.

Impossible for him to be anything other than Mastigos.

Oh My God!!
Paradox can get up to 5 dice per Reach.
FUCK!!!!
I thought 4 dice would be harsh.

>You're doing a terrible job of selling your game to people if this is your elevator pitch.
Nobody's trying to sell you anything, and judging by your behavior 80% of it's going to fly right over your head anyway. Stick to gay vampires.

It is literally a game about obsession. That is literally one of the things directly from the Kickstarter:
>Unknown Armies is an occult game about broken people conspiring to fix the world. It’s about humanity, and how those among us who are the most obsessed have the power to alter reality until it aligns with their fevered desires. It’s about getting what you want despite others trying to keep it from you.
It may be deeper and more nuanced than a fucking joke that you obviously can't take, but it is still a game about obsession. Christ, I forgot that I can't just be casually disinterested in things. I apparently have to go out of my way to binge on them and then write an academic review before I'm allowed to have the opinion of "eh, not my thing".

You're basing arguments on a blatantly wrongful opinion you've formed about a text without reading it. You could call it a joke all day, they still won't be good arguments.

What's depressing is he doesn't even understand just how wrong he is.

we wouldnt matter if you werent such a cunt about it.

>a fucking joke that you obviously can't take
>HAHA! I WAS ONLY PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED!

How about you explain it, then.

But according to Constantine that's how I can do magic

>Christ, I forgot that I can't just be casually disinterested in things. I apparently have to go out of my way to binge on them and then write an academic review before I'm allowed to have the opinion of "eh, not my thing".

Because instead of just saying "eh, not my thing", Aspel, you argue and argue and argue about why you're not interested, using nothing but bad faith arguing and using either half-informed or misinformed assumptions about the thing you don't like. You've been saying the exact same lazy things about Unknown Armies, almost to the letter, back when you were Lace. The fact that you still do this on the drop of a hat without any kind of revision is astounding.

No one's asking you to do a fucking academic critique, they're just asking you to actually put some effort in your arguments, and to not draw the same old canards that anyone who actually bothered to pay attention to what you say know is bullshit. This is your problem: you're too lazy to actually read or watch or play anything that isn't in your comfort zone, so you expect summaries and someone else's writings, arguments, and assumptions to do the work for you. That laziness is going to show itself in everything you post beyond your basic opinions, and that's what ticks people off. It's why you're a mediocre artist, and a subpar ally.

>It's why you're a mediocre artist
post his art

Can anyone with a copy tell me what the higher level of Time spells are like?
Can you still only manipulate the flow of time, or can you somehow wind it back?

You can send individuals back along their own timelines with Time 5, and cast spells on someone's past self with Time 2.

Here you go.

Except that I did say that. You're the one arguing and arguing about how I should be interested, and that I'm wrong for not being interested. I made a joke about one of the character types. I'm sorry that offended you. If you remind me in a week, I'll go look over the Unknown Armies 3e playtest package. But for now, this is a WoD thread, so I'm not going to have this discussion.
I don't actually have any, so I don't know why he said that.

Do Chthonians still have Death as an influence?

is that thing real? The link seems sketchy.

It's real.

Are shadow names not the norm anymore. Because its a merit now.