Lets be honest with ourselves here for a moment: it was grimderp and grimbright that made 40k good; actual serious...

I miss the aesthetic, I don't miss the retarded designs, models and art.

No. I unironically love grimdark.

I think the silly shit in 40K is better gone, and I'm glad it was purged. Shit like Malal, Sensei Knights, half-Eldar or squats was really dumb, and it isn't setting-appropriate now.

I want pure misery porn. I want to see people suffer as much as possible.

I'm also pretty convinced that the Tau are evil, they just haven't admitted it to themselves yet.

The main reason Mad Max struck me as being a great 40k movie in tone was because the world was so completely off the rails insane you couldnt help but chuckle, yet everyone in that world took it dead fucking serious

Good ENB preset would make that much better. Fuck that ground texture though

Wait.

Are you fucking whining about the screenshots?

It looks fine.

>Half-Eldar
>Fluff admits they're rape babies
>not grimdark

Why not, faggot? Malal was grimdark as well. Chaos having a God which is about nihilism and self-destruction isn't grimdark? Sensei Knights isn't really grimdark, but they've just been placed by never ending Perpetuals.

>Squats
>gone

They've been back since 6th, how new are you?

>literal mobile tier game graphics
>fine

'no'

They've already admitted they want it to be the most 'accessible' DoW yet. So, good by any depth.

They've already admitted multiplayer is inspired by DOTA.

I could ignore all of that if it looked good, but it looks worse than the alpha screenshots of DoW2 from like 8 years ago.

Not really, because it implies that Chaos is working against itself. It also sounds like the usual "Atheist God" bullshit.

Sensei Knights is just such an awkward term. It's a weird Japanese phrase with the concept of the God-Emperor having kids, which is pretty dumb too. The Perpetuals are kind of shitty, but they make slightly more sense in-lore.

Never heard that the Squats were back.

Also, I think Newcrons suck.

There was literally no reason to go back to the fucking Circle shaped covers that do not fit in the environment at all. DoW2 cover system was fucking great

Tfw I'm still pre-ordering this game because i crave, nay, NEED, more Angelos in my life

Maybe with enough backlash by near autistic 40K fans will make then change the tone. I had no difficulty in knowing what unit was what in DOW 1 and 2

>admitted multiplayer is inspired by DOTA.
yes, just like the wc3 hero system was inspired by Dota.
Or the Dow2 commander system.

kill your self and stream it on /v/

rogue trader orks were the best.
Orks that play rock to make the boyz fire again is a great idea

Maybe you should go back to /v/ then when you're going to use your hyperbolic arguments to try and sound like you hold weight.

DoW was never "Complex" it was never "Hardcore" It was never a Starcraft game in the making, if you played DoW1 you'd fucking know that because the Eldar are so grossly overpowered it was hilarious.

The thing that made DoW special is it was a good game.

With fun gameplay, a decent story for warhammer that was used as a good experience that captured the essence of 40k.

DoW1 looked like fucking shit. Stop pretending otherwise.

However, with all things in life, you need something to act as a baseline, otherwise grimdark loses its weight. When everyone's life is absolute shit no fun allowed, that just becomes the new normal. It'd be like if you didn't have the Imperial Guard in the game and had space Marines as the default human troops. All this crazy superhuman aliens and demons would lose a lot of their cool factor because you don't have a guardsman to compare them too.

This is why comedy often has a "straight man", or a guy who is just a normal dude reacting to the crazy antics of his comrades. Without that baseline, the more fantastical and ridiculous elements lose their impact.

And done well, it makes grimdark that much more, well, grim. Take the orks for example. To them, war is life, their normal state of existence. When a Nob picks up a guardsmen and chuck's him into a sentinel so hard it explodes, he finds it hilarious. To the guardsman's squad though, it's absolutely horrifying to watch a fungus monster that dwarfs even a space marine Chuck their pal like he's a football. Then they look over and the ork is doubled over laughing, just to drive home how insane the orks are.

There's a great comic about a tallarn officer who gets captured by orks that does this. The guardsman is watching in horror as his mates are being gunned down in a valiant last stand, while in the next frame the orks who killed his friends will be cracking jokes and laughing about how Grugnuk took a missile to the face because he's a git as they wipe his remains off their shirt.

But chaos is working against itself. Thats kind of the meaning of the word, not to mention the gods are always backstabbing each other and fighting

Never heard of sensei knights so I'll ignore that

Squats have been back since 6th, if you don't remember the clamour when people found that in the back of the 6th Ed book you're most definitely new.

And won't argue with necrons, I'm not a big fan of them either.

Thank you for proving my point.

1. DoW1 and DoW2 weren't complex. At all. So making it EVEN MORE ACCESSIBLE WILL MAKE IT FACE ROLL TIER.

2. DoW1, good thing you don't know what you're talking about. I said 7 years ago. That was DoW2's release, not DoW1.

So, good job not knowing basic shit or bothering to do a 5 second Google search.

And WC3 and DoW2 weren't around during MOBA craze. So, the chances that is the limit is unlikely, especially when the chances are you can block people using certain things; just like in MOBA's.

>kill yourself

Insults, the last refugee of somebody with no substance to their arguments. We're done here, don't bother wasting brain cells typing a reply.

Yes, you keep thinking the sky is falling /v/tard, I'll enjoy my amazing Voice acting and fun experience.

I know more about DoW than you. I was here when DoW1 was released, and we got little cockmaggots like you walking into Veeky Forums thinking you're suddenly worth anything.

Malal wasn't atheist. It was literally a Chaos God forming based on the other Chaos Gods playing the Great Game.

Sensei Knights, how is it dumb that the Emperor has kids? He's a man and he's been around for 36,000 years.

The fact you didn't know Squats or back shows you're new or a tertiary fan of 40k.

Oldcrons were literally "Terminators in Space" with no personality. Want your Necrons to be that? Then do so. Don't want them to be that? Well you got the OPTION now. GW has always been about giving choice. Anybody who doesn't like choice or options is silly.

>I want pure misery porn. I want to see people suffer as much as possible.

So your main board is [r9k]?

>Old Old Necrons were Men of Iron, literally dickass Terminators

>Old Necrons had no emotions and were all slaves to the C'tan, who were Chaos lite

>Newcrons are post-science old men who managed to blow up the C'tan who are now fluffed as being gestalt supergods with little reasoning like they were supposed to be.

How to spot a /v/tard.

Thank fuck the Space Wolves exist to purely piss your autistic kind off.

Sounds more like /b/

At what point did I say anything about 'knowing' more about DoW. I literally said a number, you ASSUMED INCORRECTLY, FACTUALLY INCORRECT, OBJECTIVELY INCORRECT statement and then got mad I corrected you. Pathetic. Sounds like you're from /v/, not me.

But, then again, you're just like those faggots which scream "AUTISM!" or "GO BACK TO POL" when you can't come up with an argument.

And I'm not thinking the sky is falling, I just know what the video game industry is like and how shit isn't going to be like a 12 year old game just because you want it to be. It will be based on CURRENT TRENDS, DEMOGRAPHICS AND GENRES. What's popular? MOBAs.

But sure, put your head in the sand and think it's going to be brilliant, power to you, but I've read their interviews AND looked at their screenshots.

Look at this picture. Mobile game or PC exclusive?

Have fun, don't think to hard, you might have an aneurysm.

And when it's not trying to say "original idea, do not steal!!!"

Go fuck yourself carnac

wow, you sure seem like a cool guy

Newcrons can be Old Old Necrons or Old Necrons if you want them to be. That's the wonder of allowing them to have personality. Want them to be auto deathmachines? Well, the fluff outright mentions that many dynasties do just that. Want them to be moustache twirling villians? Have them be that. Want them to be Chaos lite? Do that. Want them to be bright pink and yellow robots which talk like faggots in a Eastern European discotec? Have them be that. But that doesn't work if they're always murderbots and nothing but murderbots.

>half-Eldar

But 95% of 40k fanfic in here is about making these?

>Gets mad, starts using caps and tries to deflect the argument.

You're still the one making hyperbolic arguments so stupid it hurts. I mean look at your screenshot, you can't even try to compare them unless you are still so fucking blind you won't even be playing it at all.

Just admit it /v/tard, you're trying to find everything possible to whine about this game because your pathetic self-loathing refuses to let you get any enjoyment out of anything.

I mean literally, the same arguments for every game all the time at every interval.

>C-Casuals
>G-Grafics

This could be the most perfect game in existance and you'd still be whining about refresh rates of servers.

>/v/ tards believe the screenshots released are that of the final game.

>Want them to be bright pink and yellow robots which talk like faggots in a Eastern European discotec?

I'm sorry, but this isn't the standard Necron?

Only when you're not looking

>And WC3 and DoW2 weren't around during MOBA craze. So, the chances that is the limit is unlikely, especially when the chances are you can block people using certain things; just like in MOBA's.

What does that even mean you faggot? They are keeping the same system from dow2 for the most part, only they explained it in terms of a MOBA because it is the new hotness. The first thing they say is that they are going to increase the scale and faggots like you start screaming that it is becoming a moba.

This is Dawn of War 2. This is the first screenshot they released (well, they did a batch). This is a 7 year old game.

Go compare it with what DoW2 looks like now. If you think DoW3 is going to look MAJORLY different, you're so fucking deluded.

>/v/

Yes, scream that instead of knowing stuff.

Yeah, people are going batshit for the "MOBA" part when it was pretty much what DoW2 did with the heroes

Dow1 and 2 looked different.

Surprisingly, user, there is no way to make things italics on Veeky Forums. Protip, caps don't always mean shouting. I was highlighting those words so you might understand this. You're autistic, aren't you? Not being rude, but not understanding common practice is a sign of autism.

>hyperbolic arguments

How is anything I said hyperbolic? I literally stated they want to make it 'accessible' and they've been inspired by parts of DOTA. Nothing hyperbolic about this. They've said it themselves.

And of course, you ignore the fact the game is mobile tier, but, not a surprise.

Have your (You) and fuck off.

Yes they do, DoW2 looks better. DoW3 does not look better. The texture quality is worse. A lot worse.

I never said it would be a MOBA, only that MOBA's are popular. Once again, reading will help. It's going to have MOBA features in it. You'll see when it's out or we get some footage.

>How is anything I said hyperbolic? I literally stated they want to make it 'accessible' and they've been inspired by parts of DOTA. Nothing hyperbolic about this. They've said it themselves.
and that means fucking nothing. DoW2 alienated a huge part of the casual crowd with it's adherence to micro AND non existent basebuilding and not-so-good AI.

So they brought that back in. DoW2 already has a pick a hero system to play with. A mixture of that and the CoH2 commander system for more tactical options would be great for an RTS

That's just the standard inability of GW to stay consistent with the fluff which is by far the biggest turn off when it comes to 40k.

>Yes they do, DoW2 looks better. DoW3 does not look better. The texture quality is worse. A lot worse.
Of course it looks better, half the shadows in DoW3 are not even baked in

DoW2 is called a MOBA by shit eating 'gamers' who never played and RTS, or even CoH1 because they saw
>pick a hero and stick with it.
>they level up.

If warcraft 4 was released, they would call it a MOBA.

> that pic
> muh ribz

>If you want your special snowflake necron army to be a misunderstood force for good in the universe who are totally best friends with the Emperor and also like the inspiration for the Primarchs you can totally do that!
Why even have defined fluff and factions at all if letting people do whatever they want is the best thing ever?

Newcrons suck balls.
Murdermachines rule.

DOTA was a mod for WC3

And? I don't see your point. Relic is owned by SEGA and SEGA will milk all that they can. You being hyped for it? Good for you user. Me? I'm not going to be until I've seen exactly how it plays. Even if it does play well and is totally free of ANYTHING MOBA-esqe, then it still looks like a mobile game and the quality is not going to rapidly increase, especially when they've said 'colorful' is the art style they're going with.

My point is, unless those screenshots are concept art, I do not see it suddenly becoming like DoW2. Not only are the textures poor, but as I've already stated, the art style is 'colorful'. Not gritty. I suppose if enough people moan a shitty CA filter or something will be bunged onto it, but the asethtic, style and graphics are not good and I am not wowed or hyped by it. Even if they were BLOW ME AWAY AMAZING quality, I wouldn't be, as I'd know it's unlikely to remain that quality. However, rarely do games look ass and get majorly better. It's the opposite in the vast majority of games.

yes, its called hyperbole. CoH1 came out with the doctrine system that allowed a faction to play differently with subfactions and it was expanded upon in DoW2. Didn't stop the moba comparisons.

That's what I said, isn't it? The difference is, if you want your Necrons to remain murderbots. Then they can be. The fluff explicitly states many of the dynasties are, yet you choose to ignore this because they're not ALL murderbots.

>And? I don't see your point. Relic is owned by SEGA and SEGA will milk all that they can. You being hyped for it? Good for you user. Me? I'm not going to be until I've seen exactly how it plays. Even if it does play well and is totally free of ANYTHING MOBA-esqe, then it still looks like a mobile game and the quality is not going to rapidly increase, especially when they've said 'colorful' is the art style they're going with.
you have already decided that it looks like a Mobile game, and it is a Moba because a shitty journalist made the comparison to a Moba. A pick/counterpick system is not the purview of mobas. CoH1 had it. No one calls it a Moba.

But sensei, that's what Moba do.

No
Tau work best when they're naively trying to be the good guys. Devolving them into Orwellian makes them a cheap knockoff of the imperium

Go fap with sandpaper if you want a bad time

>But sensei, that's what Moba do.
no, MOBAS have you control a single unit.

Yes I have decided it looks like a mobile game. The journalist didn't, the Relic developer doing the interview mentions the DOTA bit. The journalist just writes that.

It doesn't look good and I'm not going to get hyped for something I don't think looks good. Maybe if the details are made clearer, but at the moment, it's just a thing I'll check when it's out instead of following every bit of news that pops out. Done the same with TW:WH and I got pleasantly surprised by the footage I've seen. So, forgive me for being a cynical guy who's been burnt too many times.

Gotta agree that the graphism are mobileshit tier. But maybe the story and gameplay will be good ? Let us hope the manly manperor will grant us that and not make it a Mobafuckfest.

According to DoW3 leakers, who leaked the info BEFORE the trailer + articles dropped. DoW3 is the following:

>You build a base
>Each building spits out certain units at specific intervals
>These march, AI controlled, to the enemy base, which is doing the exact same
>You kill things and get XP, which you use to build more buildings and to upgrade your units
>Units can be made stronger/faster or can be made to spawn quicker or with additional abilities
>You can also spend it on upgrading the 'hero' unit you control
>There is Elite/Basic troops and 'Ultimate Units' being 'big things'

So far, we've got:

1. There is base building
2. There is heroes
3. There is Base/Elite units and 'big things'

So far that's been announced, has come true. It depends on the other bits coming true if I get it or not.

I'm not the guy you replied to either.

It looks like a mod on Starcraft 2 called Nexus Wars. God damn it.

Well, if true that'll be one hell of a departure. Though that said, I do have some very fond memories of playing Footmen Frenzy back when Warcraft III mod maps were all the rage, and this sounds like it'd work pretty much just like FF.

it was literally 1 guy on /v/
one single person.

I am angry at the cover system being downgraded. but relic attempting to do that would be too fucking stupid for their own good.
They mentioned the MOBA system because it is easier to compare it the pick counterpick system that mobas have than mention the coh2 system,

I hope so. If the game is good in itself, I can look past the graphics, but I won't buy it Day 1. I'll wait till it's confirmed a good game despite the graphics. So hopefully that's the case. I also hope for graphic mods, but SEGA has told us that GW doesn't want to allow mods on any of it's licensed products.

What? I don't actually have any problems with Space Wolves. I actually like their incarnation as the Rout (i.e. Space Vikings) in Prospero Burns better, but they're not bad in present 40K in the hands of good writers.

They're fairly impressive in The Emperor's Gift, for instance.

One guy yes, but the chances of there being multiple people on /v/ from Relic/SEGA is unlikely in the extreme. So, either this guy got lucky with 3/7 things, or he knows something. I've taken it with a pinch of salt, but I'm not thrilled by the possibility the guy is right.

Yeah, push what I said to the back of your mind though, as it's not 100% going to happen, it could simply be some faggot on /v/ got lucky with a couple of things. We'll have to wait till more info.

However, looking at it, it does seem something like SEGA would do to get it to run on tablets. Which publishers are wanting to do (Warhorse Studios explained this when they went Independent). However, it is also possible that the units aren't AI controlled, but are player controlled, but arrive the same way. It would make 'canon' sense as well....

Yeah, take it with a lot of salt.

Fuck Relic.

Is it some DoW 3 pic ? I find it kinda hard to tell if it isn't.

Reminder that graphics and general appearance can and often do change quite drastically throughout a development process. Fine-tuning shaders, lightning, mood, etc. is usually one of the last things you do in that department.

The whole point about Necrons is that even if you lost, you won. They were terrible beyond belief, and the worst part was that you never really fought the Necron armies: You fought isolated tombs or scouts, with the implication being that the true Necrons were sanity-blasting. (Sort of like the Elder Gods.)

It's that kind of ending where after somehow managing to fend off a Necron invasion, one guy turns to the other and says:

> "Fuck me, those were their *scouts*."

Forgot the pic.

>treating the Kroot and all the other alien races as100% their slaves

The Kroot have a 100% exclusivity contract that they cuck on constantly, and the Tau do nothing about. slave race, sure. The Demiurg seem to be more allies than an actual part of the Greater Good, but we have no idea for sure because mysterious dorfs. The only client race you might actually have a point with are the Vespid, and that may or may not be completely straight with the helms.

>casually sterilize human populations all the time
That was one video game end result, there have been no other instances of the Tau doing this.

This nigga gets it.

Every faggot that thinks DoW 3 is going places is either in fucking denial or still playing DoW 1 for various retarded reasons.

This is some starcraft color palette and its shit.

Its grey knight simulator 2016, and even this looks more realistic and gritty than DOW3.

There's no real difference there, boy.

Even bases look like terran buildings, not the space chapels from DOW1.

What the hell is that abomination ?!
Please tell me it's a joke and not DoW3

I wish it wasn't.

Point me to a Space Marine building that looks like a space chapel in DoW1.

Fortress Monastery, Librarian thing, barracks.

the three things that were confirmed were extremely easy to guess.
Have you looked at the job posting at relic? >Warcraft 3 had buildable walls
>they removed it.
BLIZZARD

It might do, but the first DoW2 screenshots we got ended up being cripser, but didn't have any sudden changes in art style. It didn't suddenly become MLP.

DoW3 is undeniably colourful and the devs themselves said they want it to be 'more colourful like the tabletop'. That's fine in a sense, but the images we've been given are flat. There is no depth. The textures are horrible on every single thing. The Boltguns look like laser beams, not rockets. Everything looks shiny and block colour. They look like an army painted by somebody who was skilled at painting, but didn't know about shading or blending and just did block colour.

Everything except the orbital thingy where you DEEP STRIKE and the Mechanicus cult thingy.

This sounds more and more like Demigod

Dunno which DoW1 you played, but in mine the SM buildings all looked like utilitarian boxes. Hell, the one in front in that screenshot is almost 1:1 the same design as the machine cult building from DoW1.

Yeah. Looking back at them now, it is kinda cute how they went with the general shape of a small chapel for the Barracks. I don't think that was ever really integral to their aesthetic though. Nor was it ever really emphasized. I guarantee that if I showed you the standard predator tank, you'd tell me that it doesn't fit with the Space Marine aesthetic.

>looks like Planetary Annihilation

Please stop Relic.

This is why Cain novels will always be top tier

My point is that if they're not ALL murderbots they cease to make sense as a faction. It's like claiming that Chaos Eldar should be possible because "fun lol".

No faggot, the fluff doesn't work that way, and any attempt to rewrite the fluff so it works that way is cancer.

Fuck your sense of "fun", aka. special snowflake enabling.

Mechanical Tyranids with more boring Chaos Gods are ass. Space Mummies are great.

Chaos Eldar exist tho.

Pictured: Gabriel Angelos and Gorgutz are saving Macha from tyranid organism.

Why do they? Why does it affect you? Have you thought that people didn't want them to be murderbots? That people wanted to make fluff for their stuff?

Why does it always have to be about you, user? Why are you like this?

>I want the world to revolve around me: the post

another faction to put on the list of 'unreasonable entitled assholes'. then again, maybe it's just grognardism. hard to tell these days

Chaos Eldar are a thing, but they are only rarely seen outside of the Eye. Supposedly, the Eldar champions of Chaos are the obscene badasses who grew up on, survived and murdered their way off the Crone Worlds. The gods they follow vary, but each faction has their share of Eldar champions.

Jesus dude, chill out before you have a heart attack. I can smell the sweat from here.