Infinity General: No Girls in Yu Jing edition

probably one of those people who edits the values

How do you build competitive lists in ITS for vanilla yu jing? I feel like without the HI links of the sectorials, even access to tigers, daofei, and guilangs isn't enough.

Use your power pieces like scalpels and bring versatile pieces that can deal with fire teams. You have be willing to dig deep in your toolset, but in general it works fine for things that aren't Biotechvore.

Yep, edited it through inspect element. I think it's just me who does this.

Going to try that second list out. Hilarious to me.

Add MSV 2/smoke.

So I was looking through rumors on the forums, apparently Bostria said in Madrid that a HSN3 pdf will come out tomorrow? I remember Adepticon had it announced for May 5-8.

So if I wanted to get started with ALEPH/SP where should I begin after getting a starter set? Haven't really decided which to play though I might get both starters as a base to work from.

Well, I don't really know if the SP starter is good for vanilla ALEPH too, but a Support Pack is a popular choice. The Sophotect is a great specialist unit, Yudbots are as useful as they are cute and you'll probably need some Netrods.

You can't bring the Sophotect in Steel Phalanx though. The SP starter is probably better if he wants to go between both, since all those units can be used in Vanilla too.

Americans can't into deep strategy edition

For example, a list I tend to run goes:
Group 1
1x HMC Yan Huo LT
1x Spitfire Su Jian
2x Sensor FO remote
1x Rui Shi attack remotes
2x FO Guilang
1x Yuriko
1x Yaozao
1x CG hacker

Group 2
1x CG KSCD
3x chain rifle Kuang Shi
1x chain rifle Shaolin

Here's the though behind it. The Guilang contest the mid field, steal objectives, and provide reliable orders if my opponent doesn't dig them out. Mines provide board control and anti fireteam tools. Can also punish foes who attempt to strike deep and provide repeaters.

The FO remotes are similarly versatile. Sensor to deal with camo and Triangulation Fire for special situations. Fast specialists and extra repeater coverage.

Rui Shi is a problem solver that gets really nasty with smoke and marksmanship. Put in suppression and you lock down a good amount of turf.

Yuriko keeps the REMS and Su Jian happy. With most of the power pieces using STR, an engineer is more valuable than a doc. Also provides base defense with mines.

The Su Jian and Yan Huo are arguably the muscle of the list. The former is a hyper versatile rambo that packs both durability and speed to root out cheerleaders and occasionally fight with elites. It has the weapons to deal with everything, but the super hard stuff. With an 8 inch cautious move with climbing plus you can usually force situations where you are the bully. The Yan Huo is there more as a threat, forcing your opponent to hide out of LOF or eat HMC.

The impetuous order group is also multi function. All those chain rifles provide excellent corner defense. It also comes with two sources of smoke, with the shaolin providing cover for the impetuous elements. The chain rifles, particularly the dogged Kuang Shi can act as suicide pieces to trade for fireteams and expensive pieces.

The list loves to use coordinated orders to maximize pushes, and has enough orders to use it from either group.

Weaknesses are lack of doctor and to decapitation strikes.

If you're playing Aleph, there isnt much SP stuff that would be super useful especially those characters that work best in fireteams. However, regular Myrmidons work well in Aleph and is a necessity in SP. Also the Rebots and Probots could be useful in either army

Sure, but the Netrods are pretty valuable in SP. And non-linked units can use Yudbots.

that's actually a very solid list and gives me a lot to think about. Thanks

>If you're playing Aleph, there isnt much SP stuff that would be super useful

Drakios is great value for both, Thorakites are solid order donors even for vanilla, The long range MSV on Agemas is useful, Machaon remains a decent LT option even in vanilla, Achilles is just as good in vanilla, if not better for the fact you can't roll an ODD fireteam around.

I dont disagree with any of those. But Thorakitai, Machaon, and the other characters have the frenzy issue and/or slow. And Devas and Asuras make for better Lts in Aleph, and will get more LT options in HSN3.

Drakios, Achilles, and I'll even add in Scylla are pretty good even in vanilla, I agree.

As for agema,...sure? I rarely use them even in SP. But Vanilla Aleph has decent long ranged units like Proxy Mk2, Naga MSR, Daysu MSR, and Dakini HMG.

So I guess I should get the SP starter and work my way outwards from there? With support pack for vanilla, and I guess some of the greek heroes for more Grecian neck stomping?

I think the Steel Phalanx sectorial is a solid start mostly because CB's recent releases are focused on SP.

Playing vanilla Aleph is okay too, but the OSS/vedic themed stuff wont be getting much until we get closer to the next expansion where the OSS will certainly get it's own sectorial. Same goes for SWF, IA, Tunguska, etc etc. Who knows? Maybe even a new starter box?

Finally built that Noctifer and even worked it a bit to not need the ruined stairs.

Now to determine my next CA purchase while painting.

Any current wishlist items you want or projects you guys have going?

Okay that makes sense. I have noticed that Aleph is currently very... Greek. And just seems to keep getting Greek releases.

Random grumbling for a post or two.

So it turns out the best way to counter template weapons is to just make 10+ dodge/armor rolls in a row. That seems totally cool and not the most frustrating thing ever. I love spending giant piles of orders and only killing one dude.

Yeah. But if you really dig the OSS stuff, there's no harm in collecting them until CB starts focusing more on them.

For me I have a lot of both armies, but I genuinely enjoy playing my Steel Phalanx. I'm loving all the new toys and models. Still, I look forward to Aleph getting some love.

obligatory infinity General, "you should probably stop being shit" . what was doing the templating, and what was getting templated?

>As for agema,...sure? I rarely use them even in SP

Seriously? Agema Missile is like an autoinclude for me, deals with groups, deals with big solid things, deals with hard to hit things (Camo/ODD), so long as you are at range picks out TR bots with no risk of crits, hard to dodge through smoke due to the quirks of the template rules, can deny return fire by coordinating shots through smoke.

The value they bring is off the charts IMO.

I get that you can match the smoke mod with TO, but there's utility to smoke that TO can't match.

Thanks for the obligatory unhelpful line. I appreciate it mate.

It was Jaguars with chainrifles vs aleph myrmadons. Not much I could have done better. My opponent fucked up and placed his link teams of easy walk and shoot range of multiple jaguars. He opted to dodge multiple times and his dice were just on fire for a turn.

Incredibly frustrating but then my Jaguars killed all his dudes with an ARO so I guess justice was served. Eventually

Local gaming group won't stop complain I ng saying Tohaa are OP.

They kind of are. Tell them to git gud anyway

Anything specific annoying them? I often find people grumbling over Clipsos and Rasails more than other units.

The rest of the time I learn few people around here and a few other metas tend to neglect templates.

The Agema ML is nice, and the only one I take, but rarely. I sometimes take Atalanta, because she's a lovely miniature. But again it's not often (maybe more so in HSN3 where she's 4pts cheaper).

I've just never had the need to take an Agema. Even against TR Rems, I use Smoke to block LoF and ignore it. OR if it really needs to die, Phoenix or any other ODD Myrmidon has proven to me that ODD+Cover is just as effective as Smoke+MSV2. Against Camo/TO, I'm also applying my ODD+Cover modifiers plus any bonuses from Fireteams, OR just use DTW. Even for a non-ODD team like with Hector or Nesaie, it's not too bad if I can get into the positive rangebands because Hector is tough. He can take impacts and dish out a ton of punishment while Nesaie rolls 5 dice in the Active.

I use Agema if I have the points and SWC to spare, but more often I'm spending that on someone like Thrasymedes infiltrator. But I'm not denying that the Agema MSR and ML are fantastic platforms for both Active and ARO.

I feel the Clipsos is way too undercosted. But meh, it doesnt bother me all that much.

Pre or post HSN3? Because they just got buffed to a stupid degree.

I'll probably get some on the side once in awhile. Slow-grow that part of the army. Do you have suggestions for what I should look to do to expand the starter box into 300 points? Or just models that are a must-have or super nice?

For Steel Phalanx, Myrmidons are a must have. The SP starter already has an Assault Hacker myrmidon and Eudoros. So you need 1-2 more for a Fireteam with Eudoros. Nesaie alke is necessary to form a fireteam with the 3 Thorakitai. Also if you're okay with rest of the box(or a box split) the Netrods from the Aleph Support Pack are VERY good filler. SP can only take 2.

Machaon is a great WIP15 Doctor/Lt option. Phoenix is an incredible HRL platform. He's got some nerfs in HSN3, but still pretty good. Drakios and Scylla are pretty fun but they get a buff in HSN3. Hector is a solid option as well. He's expensive, but he's tough and carries a Plasma Rifle.

my suggestions are mostly based on my own experience and playstyle. Also I mostly build my army based on how the models look, and if I like them or not. So overall, I'll say pick models you like, play around with Army6, and then get them to start with.

Awesome, thank you so much user. I'll start putting a shopping list together to start chipping away at once my CA is mostly done.

Except for the thorakitai, who are probably getting a box soon, I don't use any of the models from the Steel Phalanx starter. Here's what I would grab:
Myrmidon box
Phoenix
Machaon
Achilles/Ajax
Diomedes

After that core, go for remotes and a myrmidon officer.

Has HSN3 been received in anyones local store yet?

I know some Aussies have recieved their copies, one from UPS, and one from CB themselves. I ordered mine from Combat Company, and am hoping for it tomorrow.

won't they come in 2s like Gecko?

Okay, good to know. What are the relative advantages of using Ajax over Achilles? I know of Achilles of course but haven't seen much discussion about Ajax.

Damn still no tittyming

But i always think they are androginious, maybe to cheapen the cost since they're expendables anyway.

Just like you never see women convict wearing feminine armor in StarCraft Terran Marine.

He's half the price. Ajax is cheap as balls for what he is.

>I ordered mine from Combat Company,
Would have done that if I hadn't run into finical issues.

Recently bought Spitfire Druze. Do you guys think the Druze will get resculpted?

Sweet. Thank you for the help anons, hopefully I'll be running a Steel Phalanx in the near future.

I'm looking to get into the game with Corregidor possibly, I honestly only based this off what very little I know of the game and the fact that I love the ___cats models. Would something like this be viable? Or what changes could I make?

You e been at work for 20 minutes CB where is the pdf?

It's good. If you're playing objectives, might be worth buying Paramedic on the Hellcat. If not, Lupe isn't all that.

You might find going full link team at 200 pts a little 'eggs in one basket' though. One big template can end the game for you if you roll badly.

You need more orders even at 200pts. You'll start the game with 7 assuming the Hellcat stays in AD; 5 orders if your opponent strips 2 using Command Tokens.

A solo Lupe is alright I suppose, but she's best in a fireteam of Alguciles. At 200pts, I think you'll be better running a Core fireteam of Alguaciles instead of Wildcats. Currently the Wildcats are eating up a lot of points without offering much in specialists and only a single support weapon.

Ssssh. It's siesta.

I wouldn't take a Wildcat link at 200. A HRL is massively valuable for a link, and one of those plus a spitfire is 3.5 SWC. I'd make the Intruder a sniper too so you don't need to divide your orders.

It's 11:14 wake the fuck up. This is why you lost to the English Armada

Maybe you should write the rules yourself if you're in such a hurry, gringo.

The rules are written already

It was (and now is) merovingia's fault.

-V- just tweeted that today is the day to update Army for HSN3

>computer generated models made by someone who clearly has no idea what looks good as an actual physical model

Gross.

Why so salty, dear luddite?

You do known the sculptors used to be traditional right?

Eh, let him pointlessly romanticize hand sculpting if he wants to.

Aaaaand according to his tweets, something bad happened, and we may not get it today.

Time to kill myself.

I don't even know what I was expecting..

Welp, im off to look at anime tiddies and cry myself to sleep

twitter.com/BuhoJedi/status/729662073223942145

>3 hours ago
Vamos a ir subiendo unos miles de archivos... ^_^

(We will be uploading thousands of files [positive face])

>2 hours ago
"Salvo catástrofe". Para qué habré dicho nada... T_T* Me temo que hoy no habrá actualización...

("Barring catastrophe." Why did I say anything? [crying face] I'm afraid there might not be an update today)

>mfw none of my gaming related orders have turned up, and all are over a week late or delayed
not even worth living any more, is it

>package has stuck on the border for almost a month
>tournament is near
Seems no minis for me,

International ordering, ouch. I'm lucky in some respects that most stores in the UK stock what I need.

My first attempt with FedEx. I think should stick to USPS instead.

OMFG they actually called a unit that?
Capitaine Haddock would be proud.

Bashi Bazouks were an actual guerrilla unit in Arab warfare.

Probably a stupid question but can a hacker perform an ARO on a model that walks through zoc of a repeater? If so does the hacker need los to the enemy model or can they just do it?

Yes.
No.

That's crazy good. Thank you for the feedback

They even have the looting, irregularity, and lack of control built in.

Is 9 orders alright or am I 'really' pushing for 10?

No probs. Enjoy your space sorcery.

You are 8 orders - Hellcat will hurt the order count.

Well, I meant 9 total 8 if it's in AD, but yeah. I guess I could change that to something else. Not sure what though.

>looting,
They don't have Booty

>irregularity
Ye.

>and lack of control.
They're not impetious.

8 to 9 orders is fine for 200 points. You should be good to start learning the game and from there you'll figure out what you want to play.

>They don't have Booty
They have scavenge though.

They don't thou

If the unit has stealth you need line of sight for movement actions

For 200pts it's fine.

I thought they got it in HSN3?

Oh well Corvus is busy having Siestas so maybe they will, I don't know personally.

Will the HSN3 be released tomorrow, then?

Siesta now, release mañana

Most likely, if it doesn't get delayed even more. But I've got no games until the weekend, so it's not the biggest deal in the world to me.

What are your favorite 12XP Spec-Ops loadouts? My group will be running a league sometime in the future and spec-ops can earn XP over the course of the league. So far some loadouts I've made for a Treitak are:

-Boarding Shotgun, Hyper-Dynamics LVL 2, +1 BS, Holo LVL 1

-Plasma Rifle, Mimitism, +1BS

-NWI, Doctor, +1WIP

-Boarding Shotgun, Minelayer, Hyper-Dynamics L1, Specialist troop.

Leaning towards the first myself. As soon as he gets 1XP I'll throw on specialist troop and move up from there.

Spitfire, Specialist, Holoprojector L1, +1 BS. Simple and obnoxious.

Hmm, yes, disregard that, I was thinking of Yuan Yuan.