When the adeptus mechanicus discovered the tau, why didn't they perform an exterminatus on their planet...

Why can't we just have some comfy threads talking about lore and the games with newfriends?

>We should take /a/'s example

Stopped reading there.

He's right, in the 40k setting at least.
>great crusade under imperial truth conquers the entire galaxy in 200 years using atheist super tech
>Horus heresy happens and humanity becomes religious
>10'000 years of utter stagnation

No. Plenty of minor races are left alone because they're not worth the effort. They catalogued and marked the planet in around M32 when the Tau were still pretty much cavemen or basic agrarians. Then a warp storm formed and they let the matter drop. Skip ahead to M39, and the Tau are basically as we see them now.

That used to be a key part of their lore, they were incredibly adaptive and advanced even faster than humans did. Partly due to their strict caste system, partly due to implied Chaos fuckery, and partly because at once point GW played with the idea of them being the reasonable "good guys" of the setting.

I like newfriends. What I don't like are lazy newfriends. People who don't bother to learn the basics drag down discussion.

If we don't scold them we will be flooded with stupid questions like "What is the Webway?", "Who are the Chaos Gods", "How does warp travel work"?.

As a counterpoint, Humanity's worst fuckup and regression with technology was when it was at the height of its atheism. Lorgar wasn't particularly in the right, but his words had merit, people need something tangible to believe in, if you can't offer them something truly present, then have them believe in something spiritual.

Not everyone has the monk-like patience to read 50 black library novels and 30 codexes, let alone time and funds.

>partly due to implied Chaos fuckery
Nice headcanon.

>No. Plenty of minor races are left alone because they're not worth the effort.

The Tau planet was marked for cleansing and colonization. The colonization fleet was destroyed while in transit in the Warp. The Imperium takes any chance to wipe off xenos races especially if they live in resource rich areas like the Tau home cluster

Explain all the races they don't just wipe out, like the Stryx or the Kroot.

I am not saying anyone should do that. What I am saying my lazy newfriend is that there are three warhammer wikis on the web. You can google any basic 40K subject and you will get all the information you need.

You don't need to come bother us with stupid questions you could have answered them yourself by a 5 secod google search.

The Kroot live in the Tau home cluster. By the Tau time were cavemen they must have been also primitives. So when the warpstorm came, they were cut off as well.

No idea what the Stryx. Must be some FFG rac, right?

The Catholic church literally preserved literacy and an untold wealth of classical knowledge during the dark ages. Most monk's lives were spent reproducing manuscripts and teaching Latin.

But yeah, go ahead and post your unscientific little chart with an quantified measure of "progress" that you think backs up your argument.

You should really try encouraging people to join your hobby by showing how fun and welcoming it can be, not by being a sneering gatekeeper. What about "DON'T SPOOFED THE NOOBS" would make someone want to play it with you?

Didn't the church also forbid the plens from learning how to write and read?

I thought a key point of the Tau was that they managed to develop implausibly quickly within that timespan because they suddenly found enlightened, pseudo-mindcontrolling philosopher kings to lead them.

You can't deny that literally everyone was doing better before rome fell and abrahamic religions became widespread.

No? They did however oppose the Bible being translated out of Latin for quite a while.

They opposed people owning and reading bibles on their own, as well. Too many 'unofficial' gospels and chapters floating around. Wouldn't want people to get the wrong ideas.

When the Tau were discovered, they were the equivalent of cavemen. Their planet was slated for colonization and routine cleansing, and the explorators moved on. The colonization ships hit warp storms and were lost, so the Tau were never exterminated.

No. The Tau went from cavemen to spaceflight in around 6 thousand years canonically. No time dilation, just shielded from contact from the outside galaxy.

I encourage people who put an effort into the hobby and want to contribute.

Lazy newfags just drag us all down. They should be kicked to curb.

Exactly.

Homeboy over there didn't know how warpstorm work because he didn't do his homework.

Rome fell for a variety of reasons, Abrahamic religion being a very small and relatively insignificant part.

You could make arguments that the world would be better off if the Persians won against the Greeks.

Rome fell long AFTER Arbahamic religions became widespread.

I can, because 'doing better' is vague as fuck, and 'before rome fell' covers a massive period of time.

The bible? Yes, only those instructed in latin were allowed to read it, otherwise you'd need a priest to read it to you. The church for a long time was the only way the plebs could get an education and learn how to read.

They didn't want the bible translated. Most people didn't have the time, energy, intelligence, knowledge, or money to learn to read and write, let alone in latin.

>Religious anons in this thread

Hurry someone start copypasting from the "Last Church".

Why would I do that when I could find an edgy 13 year old and get a better discourse on the issues with religion?

Things went to shit because Rome fell, not because of religion. Rome was a Christian empire towards its end for fuck's sake.

Put the fedora down.

>I encourage people who put an effort into the hobby and want to contribute.
>Lazy newfags just drag us all down. They should be kicked to curb.

Which of these two sounds more welcoming, and which sounds like something that would make you take up Infinity instead of 40k?

>Hey user, here's a wiki that will answer that for you.
>WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU, user? We should take /a/'s example and stop spoonfeeding people the basics.

Yes, but they were also too busy being serfs to learn to read anyway. Which would have happened, religion or not.

That kind of stuff grew out of Roman farm slavery.

It's also worth mentioning that the first printed book was the Bible, and the desire to reproduce it endlessly is what led to the invention of the press.

So religion led to the one innovation that would change the scientific world for the better like none before or since.

Tough love is best love, you hippie.

Things were shit in the western empire before Rome fell, like over a century before. It never really recovered after the 280's

Preserved. ....
Someone hasn't heard about the inquisition, or the destruction of all the knowledge of the aborigines of every region that those shitty Aramaic religions spread to

He said it was implied. It actually is, I recall it from my old tau codices. Gw can be subtle on occasion.

And the imperium cleanses where convenient, but exterminatus weapons are expensive, citizen.

>Rome was a Christian empire when it fell
Coincidence?

>Aramaic

Yeah, those damn dirty Phoenicians.

It's almost like the Roman Empire was doomed to fail as soon as it ran out of territories to conquer and exploit to fund a bloated core region.

As guy who read the old dexes, I can say there wasn't any Chaos implication at all.

The Muslims did a great job preserving Greek and Roman knowledge, even while Europe was in a relatively bad way.

I won't say that was religions benefit, but it's not like it turned them into book burning lunatics. That has to do with economic and social prosperity more than anything.

>Someone hasn't heard about the inquisition

The Spanish Inquisition was an organization run by a country, not the church. The Vatican spoke against it and the Spanish king gave no fucks.

>I don't know things about stuff
What about the Byzantines?

We could all be speaking Minoan or Hieroglyphs if it weren't for them!

>people need something tangible to believe in, if you can't offer them something truly present, then have them believe in something spiritual.
The problem with that is that people who believe in spiritual things doesn't stop once they have tangible things, most importantly power. Instead they use that power for repressive bullshit to maintain the spirituality that seeps power into the hands/claws/tentacles of their own worst enemies.

>Inquisition
What scientific knowledge did the inquisition destroy?
>or the destruction of all the knowledge of the aborigines of every region
Like which ones?

>What scientific knowledge did the inquisition destroy?

|Galileo's research and career.

Sure, in the same way that Freud created psychology as thousands of people scrambled to prove that literally everything they do isn't solely because they want to fuck their mothers.

>hurr durr muh evil religions
There isn't a single large, advanced society on earth that would have developed without religion.

There was a papal inquisition as well as a Spanish Inquisition dumbass

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You can't know that. As much as you can't know the opposite.

Galileo got clearance to teach his theories alongside other accepted theories at the time. The church only came down on him because he was being a petulant little shit.

>slightly bemused
>a collage of David Mitchell completely losing his shit
I kek'd.

We cannot know that considering religious societies invaded and destroyed any developing non-religious societies.

This. We don't need to get rid of religions, we just need better religions. How do we get a religion into the mainstream that preaches spiritual advancement through technological advancement?

Oh hell no.

You know who destroyed Galileo? Galileo.

It's not a good idea to go and publish a book that could be accurately summed up as 'Everyone who doesn't agree with me is an idiot' when you don't yet have the evidence to back up your statements.

The church didn't tell him to stop, full stop. At least, not until he refused to stop the rampant dickery. Instead, they asked him to stop until he had proof.

Remember, Geocentric model wasn't just a religious thing. It was something with strong scientific evidence for it at the time.

Galileo was a bad scientist. Being right doesn't take that away.

The concept of non-religious early societies is absolute fiction. Everything we have was built on the foundation of religion as a source of authority among otherwise tribally-minded primitives.

The Catholic Inquisition however doesn't line up with the popular culture idea of the inquisition. For one, it had the concept of 'Innocent until proven guilty' and executed very few people.

Protip: when pitching your new (well, really, old but now with improved MATHS!) model for solar mechanics, it's best not to do so in a treatise where the thinly-veiled stand-in for the Pope basically spends the entire time going, "I'M AN IGNORANT FAGGOT PLEASE RAPE MY FACE!" while your ubermensch corrects him and talks more mad shit. Just sayin'.

The Papal Inquisition gave zero fucks about anything secular. They cared about orthodoxy amongst the teachings of the greater church.

The church said "list both geocentrism and heliocentrism as theories," because the ptolemaic geocentric model, based on the observations of the stars at the time, was still functional. Galileo said that helicoentrism was a fact and then implied the pope was an idiot.

It also helps that his math was faulty to begin with, and his mathematical proof didn't actually hold up to scrutiny because he was wrong.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourse_on_the_Tides#Criticism
Not that it stopped him from being a dick to the pope, who actually supported him early on.

The lesson from this whole thing is not to be a dick.

>Remember, Geocentric model wasn't just a religious thing. It was something with strong scientific evidence for it at the time.
No one actually believed in the geocentric model any more than they actually believed in a flat earth. Galileo wasn't a visionary thinker, he was just an asscunt that pissed off the wrong people and had a good PR team.

>or the destruction of all the knowledge of the aborigines
Yeah, I'm sure they could have shared all their discoveries about how to cook each other with us.

Galileo is kinda hilarious for being the archetypal Internet Tough Guy. Unfortunately, this was before the Internet was invented.

or people could be spiritual because its a personal thing for them.

Not everyone wants to start a religion, some people are going to be weird new-agey types, or mystics, or just normal people with a spiritual view on things (they can still be atheist, and just interpret the whole spirituality thing as an existential facet of life).

also its not like the Tau aren't just space-taoists, complete with bullshit ethereals

Regardless, I was pointing out the fact that the poster jumped straight to the Spanish inquisition when there was no mention of it

They did, just not the ancient ptolemaic system, but Tycho Brahe's system
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tychonic_system
which was a hybrid of Copernicus' observations and the old Ptolemaic Geocentric system.

Believe it or not, Geocentrists weren't dogmatically sticking to a single theocratic system, but actively trying to reconcile their beliefs with newer discoveries.

[citation needed]

They kinda ARE the prime example when people say 'The Inquisition' 99% of the time.

He also made the mistake of fucking with the wrong admin.

If you're talking about religious cuntery and you invoke the Inquisition, either you're talking about the (secular) Spanish Inquisition, or it's an absolute non sequitir.

Rome had a lot of problems that had nothing to do with the imperial cult.

If you're implying the imperial cult was any less repressive, keep in mind it was just a way to justify the control of the state over the people and why they did their shit. The gods went from their more naturalistic origins to mechanisms to impart different lessons from the state, and the temples were corrupt and deceitful as all hell.

Rome fell because it couldn't sustain itself anymore. It was stretched too thin, and had too many people who were more interested in their own clans at the expense of the whole. Once they began gutting the legion out of desperation, it was only a matter of time.

Most of europe was the frontiers at the time, and hardly what you would call christianized. They just ended up being a combination of pagan kings and christian ones, with their faith based more on opportunism than piety.

Yeh but the fact that they were talking about the Catholic Church and preservation/ destruction of knowledge suggested they were talking about the episcopal inquisition, people only discuss the Spanish Inquisition because its a meme

Crusades

Not only are they bad but they are so bad that they awakened Khorne

>people only discuss the Spanish Inquisition because its a meme

You are underestimating how much the Spanish Inquisition gets brought up with people thinking it's run by the church.

except its literally the first paragraph of the lore that "Imperium was gonna exterminate them but freak warpstorm"

someone asking, "what the fuck is the damocles crusade and why hasn't either side won" is a more fair question, since all of that shit is in different codexes and lore books

>Implying the Spanish Inquisition was shit
It was actually one of the better run and more humane courts in Europe during the early modern era, we tend to get the belief that they were obsessed with torture and unrestricted killing from protestant propaganda

That kind of shit is just such a Western, and no historical, point of view. The Crusades were important, but they weren't nearly as bloody as people make them out to be. The Romans had bigger a wars than that, and don't get started on the Chinese.

im not the user youre talking to, but youre a huge faggot holy shit.

I play warhammer, warmachine, infinity, dystopian wars/legions, battle tech, malifaux ....etc. and if you started asking basic googleshit youd get the same treatment, it has nothing to do with the fandom.

The Crusades also led to a lot of cultural exchange between Europe and the Middle East that opened up new trade routes and ideas that revolutionized both cultures. War sucks but sometimes good things can happen from it.

I thought khorne got woken up by genghais khan?

I am fully aware, still it had not been brought up in this thread till the poster I called out

>Humanity's worst fuckup and regression with technology was when it was at the height of its atheism

>Height of atheism
>Some loser keeps spouting god shit
>Tells his bro about these gods
>They fuck up everything and plunge the prospering atheist society into a religious stagnant hell hole for 10,000 years

Pretty sure that's not how the Men of Iron worked.

If Khorne approves of DEUS VULT then stick a nail in my brain and call me Angron

Nah, crusades are what awakened. Doombred and Uraka Az'baramael were ancient Terran warlords that Khorne elevated to daemonhood. They were among the first of hisdaemon princes,

>or the destruction of all the knowledge of the aborigines of every region that those shitty Aramaic religions spread to

Fun fact, the church was the first entity that gave human rights to the native americans when the continent was discovered.

youtube.com/watch?v=5ZegQYgygdw

That was Galileo being a huge dick to his friend the pope.
Seriously the pope told Galileo that he could write a book about his theory, but he had to show both sides. Which is fair, because at the time geocentric model had more evidence than heliocentric.
And Galileo did include both sides, but intentionally wrote the geocentric guy as an utter retard. The book was a bigger strawman than an MS paint comic that get's posted here.
This pissed off the pope, who then sentenced Galileo to imprisonment in his home for the rest of his days, which was quite kind compared to what most rulers of the time would have done if you had essentially given them the finger in book form.

>Crusades
>Religious as anything other than a fig leaf

Literally LOL. How much back-of-a-cereal-box history are we going to get in one thread?

Understood. Still, given context, if you're speaking negatively about abuses and invoking the Inquisition, you're most likely talking about the Spanish Inquisition, propaganda or no. Nobody's talking shit about the Papal Inquisition unless they're a fucking Waldensian, and last I checked they're a dead sect.

From what I have seen there are a large number of people talking shit about the papal inquisition in this thread...