Is it ever feasible to attach a chain to your weapon like this?

A lot of weapons disguised as other things, man catchers and other non-lethal types, disarming weapons, and small concealable/easily portable type stuff.

I wonder if it really worked as intended. You'll rarely catch a lone horseman in battle.

All those images aren't of the same weapon.

Also, the further back you go in Japanese warfare the more likely you were to encounter lone horsemen.

Even during the Sengoku period samurai fought more like Dragoons than actual charging cavalry.

>you'll never use a sword so large its only fesible use was for cavalry to strike without getting struck in return

in this age of snipers and artillery, our swords need to be longer than ever

There were plenty of infantry sized o-dachi/no-dachi.
The real problem with them is that you literally can't draw the thing without getting help or unstrapping the entire sheath assembly from your back, so you have to walk to the battle with it already drawn.

>yfw some irish guy had a sword that cut the top off hills
They were ahead of their time.

The japs still use man catchers dont they?

Apparently.

Yup, and they're extremely effective, much more so than they look.

>throw your weapon
>haul it back
>get cut down because you didn't decapitate on the first strike
>die shameful death
>family is disgraced
>Daiymo seizes lands for disgrace

FTFY

What if I build momentum by swinging the chain?

They use them to catch rampaging gaijin.

Huh. I've seen this picture a thousand times and always thought it was a dog catcher pole.

user, the Kusarigama is a ninja weapon. No samurai would ever use it.

>That one other white guys face

Plenty of styles taught it among other weapons.

Is there any proof that these weapons weren't just used by the ancient equivalent of a mall ninja and that stories of them being used effectively weren't just "psh nothing personal kid" self insert fanfiction?

Ninjas openly lied about their capabilities in order to sow fear and panic among their enemies. There were some stories that they could phase through walls and were seven feet tall. One guy was so terrified of them that he deliberately made all of the floor boards around his bed creaky.

Of course, westerners actually took these stories of their prowess seriously.

>dat ass

>The japs still use man catchers dont they?

Dat lack of freedom.

>One guy was so terrified of them that he deliberately made all of the floor boards around his bed creaky

It's called a 'nightingale floor', and it was a fairly standard security device in ye olde feudal Japan.

user, historical records point to ninja just being Samurai doing shady shit for their master most of the time. You really think anyone important is going to entrust spying/assassination to some filthy peasant?

My penknife can technically do that.

Just not much off the top of the mountain

[Citation needed]

Sure, you could attach it.

who knows how useful it would be, though.

Maybe most was an exaggeration, but here.

world.time.com/2013/02/05/you-dont-know-ninjas-8-new-revelations-about-the-shadow-warrior/slide/yes-there-were-samurai-ninjas/

Better than being mag dumped for speeding.

It's not really the same thing, but during the 14thC there was a trend for connecting wargear to the torso armour via retention chains.

It started as a means to hang on to greathelms, but as can be seen in this effigy swords and daggers were also attached.

Ring spikes.

because being shot > being caught

murica

They don't ask: "Am I going to get shot?" but: "Am I being detained?" for reasons of the latter being extremely unusual.

I am extremely disappointed that you swallowed the bait. He even posted twice fishing for replies and just had to give him one.

Literally every fucking book not written by a fucking hack like Stephen Hayes or Turnbull.

>here let me put a few chains on my armor for people to grab and pull on around

I think I know why it didn't stick.

>2+2=4
>[CITATION NEEDED]
This is you. This is what you're seriously doing. I bet you believe that samurai killed themselves over any slight and hated guns. Fuck I bet you believe the world is flat.

It's 20fucking16, you don't have any excuses anymore to believe stupid myths from the 70s when you can call on the whole of human knowledge with a thing that fits in your fucking pocket.

>inb4 u mad
Damn right I'm mad, it's people like you that are dragging humanity down as a species.

Yeah, let me just reach up and grab the chain of a guy who's holding a fucking sword, dropping my own guard in the process and hoping he doesn't just kill me.

you mean just like every other great sword?

>hey let me just invade his defence while open my own to grab a weak chain.

People in a lot of armour tended to be rich as fuck, which meant people wouldn't kill them in battle but instead wrestle their asses to the ground and restrain them, selling their asses off later for ransom. Chains like that would make this much easier.

>be poor peasant
>tries to make a big cash
>invade his space
>hold the chain
>thin chain snaps
>get stabbed to death
or
>be rich noble
>tries to make a big cash
>invade his space
>hold the chain
>thin chain snaps
>get wresteled into submission

MFW it took me a moment to notice

The odds that they know eachother are pretty high too. It's pretty easy to draw a line of sight from the naked gaijin to the laughing one.

>GOD DAMMIT BOB WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY CLOTHES
>I'M SORRY BILL I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING LONG ENOUGH TO FIND THEM

The point of Ninja weaponry looking like stuff a filthy peasant would use is so they can blend in as a filthy peasant

>It's 20fucking16

Hi guys, can I come in?

Is it ever feasible to have a chain weapon like this?

It did.

If the chain were that weak, it'd be pretty shit at keeping your weapon attached.

IIRC they fell out of use in favor of locking gauntlets.

Way to sperg man, not even him but not eeveryone has the time or inclination to google every little thing. Discussion can be good.

This has to be bait, I feel you'd fit in better on >>>/tumblr/

The sharp part looks like a peasant hand pick.
It generally isn't viable, but it conceals well since you can fold it.

Maybe if it was cut down to two or three sections rather than ten.

Shishido Baiken says yes

What are you asking here?
Yes, it is a thing you are physically able to do provided you had the right materials and tools. Your picture is proof that nothing is stopping you from putting a chain on a weapon.

Pretty sure the intent behind the question was "Is it a viable strategy for combat" not "Is it physically possible."

The perspective on that picture makes it look like the sword blade is shorter than the hilt

He said feasible. It's pretty clear what that means - worthwhile, practical, that sort of thing.

>I don't have to words right.
>Other people should guess what I commonwealth dishwasher handicap.
There's a significant difference between "feasible to attach a chain to your weapon" and "feasible to fight with a chain attached to your weapon". In the former case, it's the action of attaching the chain that's in question and you don't care what happens afterward.

Uh, no. Feasible by definition means "possible", not worthwhile or practical.

Lrn 2 english, sir and/or madam.

>fea·si·ble
>ˈfēzəb(ə)l/
>adjective
>possible to do easily or conveniently.
No u

...

i wish this was still a meme

>You'll rarely catch a lone horseman in battle.
No, but you would if you were waiting by a roadside to intercept a traveler or a messenger

...

There's a difference between Samurai blacking up and sneaking into castles and sending a pro-hitman to poison your enemies dessert.

Part of that is gun restrictions in Japan.
Man Catchers don't work as well when used against guns.

Any person with a brain is just gonna move up and stab him with a sword.
Why would anyone go in to a tugging contest?
Perhaps it is useful if somebody is running away, but still why not throw a javelin or an axe?

In Iraq we would tie 550 cord to the stock of our M4, and loop the other end through a carabeener or a loop in our body armor.

If you came face to face with the enemy(s) - they couldnt wrestle control of your weapon/barrel. Or if you were knocked off your feet/stunned/ko'd - your weapon would still be with you.

So there are practical reasons to attach a tether to your weapon.

But would it not be easier to use bolas on the horse.
Humans are smart, can dodge and parry. The horse is not so nimble and has a lot of momentum.

That's when he cuts your face and neck up with his sickle. You can't swing the sword effectively when it has a chain wrapped around the cutting edge, and when it goes slack he can try lassoing your body with it.

I did see some martial artists doing kata with the kusarigama at some demonstration. The coolest trick they did was pulling someone's swords from the scabbard with the chain.

That wasn't a discussion. Just posting citations needed is pointless post just barely lower in quality to "depends on the setting"

How is he going to lasso my body as the chain is already wrapped around the sword?
I would put my money on the off-balanced, compromised two handed weapon over the short, low reach one handed weapon.

>How is he going to lasso my body as the chain is already wrapped around the sword?
With the rest of the chain? When you move closer to him, the bit that is stretched taut will go slack, so you can do stuff with it.

You can't cut with a sword when the edge is covered with something blunt (like a chain), and you do need a decent range of motion to actually swing a katana.

You definitely can't thrust effectively either, because the chain is already in contact with your weapon, so he doesn't even need to parry you with the sickle, he can just yank the chain and throw you off target.

>I would put my money on the off-balanced, compromised two handed weapon over the short, low reach one handed weapon.
Sorry, I thought your plan was to get close to him.

>Sorry, I thought your plan was to get close to him.
Yeah charge him down, not run him over. Once the swordsman has closed the gap, the chain will lose most of its advantage.

>can't cut with a sword when the edge is covered with something blunt
The chain cant cover the whole sword. The swordsman only needs 3 inches to inflict deathly blows.

You make some good points and I have zero martial experience, but to me chain and sickle techniques look really difficult to pull off.
I would guess that the sickle user needs to be experienced and good fighter to defeat an average swordsman.

Chain weapons in general require more training and confidence since you can't slow down and have to feel more than analytically see what to do.

At no point am I saying that the chain is a reliable weapon, but you have to admit that having your weapon bound is an enormous disadvantage, especially when your opponent still has a free hand and a weapon.

Basically, the kusarigama is kind of bad, but if you manage to succeed in doing what it's designed to do, the other guy is fucked.

>I would guess that the sickle user needs to be experienced and good fighter to defeat an average swordsman.
True, but they do have a slight advantage in that what they're doing is unfamiliar and distracting. A pro wouldn't care, they'd just cut them down but an amateur would definitely be confused trying to follow the movements of the weight and the sickle.

Is the kusarigama better than a flail?

Depends on the system

How when I have hands?

I happen to find two demonstration of using Kusari-gama

First demo is more traditional. Second one is when you wield kusari-gama more like nunchaku while having normal kama on your off-hand.

youtube.com/watch?v=6VweLV6lW8I

youtube.com/watch?v=bXesoopsWGE

Watch Samurai II: Duel at Ichijoji Temple.

The opening scene has a pretty descent duel between a guy wielding a kusari-gama and a katana.

I mean of course it's choreographed, but it's a probably the best you'll find.

No. Kusarigama is harder to use and is limited in targets

Fucking weeaboos

Are you a Sailor?

...thats how greatswords were used. Nobody was ever wearing them on his back. Thats a meme from pulp-fantasy artworks.

wordpress.tokyotimes.org/tokyo-imperial-palace-pandemonium/