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Alright, Been playing Dawn of War 2 with a friend and we've been using the lascannon as an anit everything as its just so god damn OP.

Recently, We started building an army of imperial guard.

How useful is lascannon tanks and heavy weapon tanks as anit inf weapons?

I can't say much for that, but as for lascannons.

What the fuck happen to this gem?

Well, Image doesn't upload but the storm tank with the rotatory lascannons.

Lascannons are overkill. Autocannons will do the job just as well for less points.

Las cannons are great at taking down a handful of things. Here are the things it's best at in descending order.

>light to medium armor tank busting
>character killing

That's it.

Taking out hoards with tanks is kind of hard. Lascannons hit only a dude at a time in the table top. If you want to take out hoards use something with templates or grav weapons.

Aren't really effective at AT.

>grav weapons
Grav weapons can't be hull mounted.

I think its ironic you're asking about lascannon tanks when posting an Exterminator, given that that's armed with autocannon

Lascannons are okay, but they're expensive, often overkill unless there's a ton of tanks far away, and unlike blasts if they miss, they miss entirely

Any tanks that fire ordnance can only snapshot other weapons on the tank so unless you are using a non-ordnance version of the tank you are better off not upgrading the hull or sponson weapons.

If you want a tank especially for taking out infantry take a Punisher with Pask in it, that gives you 20 BS4 S5 shots with rending.

In general the Leman Russ Battle Tank is the best choice

A Predator with lascannons can do so much better

Ah just reread the OP and saw that it was for IG.

Go with the Leman Russ Exterminator.

Yep.

There are many better Russ options, including the vanilla Russ

They don't really compare at all. Autocannons do fuck all against anything heavier than a rhino.

Well he's asking about a generic anti infantry tank.

It'd be good at popping a box and wrecking the occupants.

Take it from a guy who knows a few things about heavy weapons.

Lascannons are the best weapon you have statswise for damaging armor 14. There is a huge difference between S8 and S9 for armor 14, since your chances of nixing a hullpoint are doubled. That being said, lascannons are retardedly expensive. Like, way too fucking expensive for what they do. True, they hit hard, but they miss a lot and are on a t3 2 wound platform that gets erased when something looks at it funny. Infantry lascannon teams by themselves are an enormous waste of points.

Now, some people bury cannons inside 10-man squads. This increases their lifespan, but also renders the rest of your unit useless for most of the game. You sit back with your 25 pt lascannon and shoot (hitting on 3 times per game on avg) while the rest of you 50-60 point unit of infantry just sits around reading tau porn. It's an inefficient way to use your army - you want every unit doing something useful.

Lascannons on tanks are a mixed bag. They last longer, but they have to work well with the main weapon the tank uses. ie, they only make sense on anti-armor tanks like vanquishers or anti heavy infantry tanks like executioners. They are garbage on exterminators, punishers, LRBTs, and eradicators, since those models dont shoot at heavy armor much (since they cant hurt them). Slapping a lascannon on them only means you fire a 25 point gun at armor instead of a good gun at medium armor of infantry. Don't do it.

The best tanks, imo, are the punisher with all heavy bolters for taking out infantry, light vehicles, and even flyers, the executioner if you take the command item that lets you reroll overheats, or the eradicator if you know you are fighting someone without power armor.

>Punisher
As a fellow guard player I have to disagree. The punisher's low range and lack of any AP bite it in the ass too many times for my liking. It also misses half its shots due to crummy guard BS.

For crowd control I prefer Exterminators. 4 twin-linked autocannon shots will chew into crowds decently, but more importantly it's not heavy, allowing the hull bolters to do their job. And unlike the eradicator and punisher, the exterminator can also work against light vehicles, and thanks to twin-linking offers much more consistent damage. The 4 foot range doesn't hurt either.

That's why you put Pask in it, so he can fuck everyone's shit up.

>Pask
Yeah, you can do that, but it doesn't solve the range problem, and then he's your warlord (because why would you NOT) and an obvious target, and you're automatically running a power list, which makes it unsuited for fighting Orks, SoB, and any of the mid-and-low-tier armies.

It's fluffy of me, but I like running guard armies with no special items or characters of any kind. Just to show that any guard company, anywhere, can fight off the best the enemies of man has to offer.

>because why would you NOT
>an obvious target

Why do you ask questions you provide the answer yourself?

Of course Paskisher is a bit OP, but point is that Punisher has a use. Personally I just wend with the wildly imaginative MBTs, Vanquishers and Demolishers. Because that's the sort of person I am. Wild night of making babies under the covers with the lights off in the missionary position and socks on is what I'm all about.

>MBT's
I'm all about that too, mate. Big tank, big gun. 2" S8AP3 Ordnance. Works against everything.
>Vanquishers
Honestly I haven't had the best performance with these. They're absolute can openers against vehicles but they underperform against almost everything else unless you took the ABG version with Beast Hunter shells.
>Demolishers
Don't use them often but they're great distraction tanks.

Lascannons shouldn't be used as anti-infantry. They only hit one dude at a time and are way overkill for killing that one dude. MC's, you can make a case for lascannons. You could still probably do more with an Autocannon against MC's though.

Lascannons are kinda pigeonholed into a specialized "long range anti-vehicle" role. It's why they usually cost a lot of points.

Why doesn't the Imperium have a cheaper MBT?

Something like a squashed (no troop compartment) Chimera with AV13 front, a lascannon to crack vehicles and a multilaser to shred infantry. No ammunition makes cheapskate planetary governors happy.

so basically you want a salamander

>cheaper MBT

That's more of a medium tank than an MBT. Also, look up "chimedon".

I´m starting to play 40k; One friend want to sell me an old leman russ demoliser for 15€, is a good tank right now or i will prefer get any other?

Demolisher is fine. S10 AP2 large blast. 24" range, thought, but with movement you get effective range of 30". Just keep it cheap with a plain hull HB and maybe a heavy stubber for security against the odd Weapon Destroyed.

Ok, thanks!

>Taking out hoards with tanks is kind of hard.
that's what a battlecannon is for