Warlocks are wizards who make deals with devils, demons, fey, things from beyond the stars...

>Warlocks are wizards who make deals with devils, demons, fey, things from beyond the stars, and other such powerful beings for spells and power.

>Warlock comes from words meaning oath denier

>Class is defined by an oath or other contract.

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No, the word means "to deny the covenant with God"

Is that why you post about autism alot?

Google even gives a nice root etymology.

Yeah, and if you read you'd know that it comes from "covenant" and "belie".

Belie is to give false appearance.

Covenant refers to the biblical covenant.

The root word for warlock meant someone that made a deal with the devil, or someone that gave the false appearance of a Christian since back in the day you were either Christian or in league with Satan.

Next time read literally the next few words in the Google entomology result and maybe even google both words just in case you don't u sweat and their context or meaning.

Fucking hell, Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark. What the fuck is the Ark's full name?

My spelling got all fucked up, but the point stands. The root words specifically refer to someone making a deal with the devil, and not a "contract denier".

Mr. Ark Arkinson?

Given that Old English pre-dates the Christianisation of England, I think it's a little presumptive to assume that the only context this specific translation of waer can be taken in is a Biblical one. You're basically assuming that they had no word for "oathbreaker" until the Bible taught them it. And given that stories like Cynewulf and Cyneheard show us that concepts such as treachery definitely existed back then, and that keeping your word was SUPER-important in the pre-Christian warrior culture, I really doubt that they DIDN'T have a word for someone who didn't keep their word. (Seriously, Cynewulf and Cyneheard contains a quintuple negative used to show how much the soldiers wanted to keep their word; the idea of "didn't do nothing" linguistic construction, stacking negatives on negatives to emphasise and strengthen the negativity, is super-old.)

The relationship between Christianity and Old English is actually pretty fucked because of how so many of our knowledge of the language comes from Christian sources - Old English glosses of the Latin bible, for instance, are one of the big sources. These aren't full sentence translations, but rather word-for-word ones, (like putting "dog" under the word "chien" in a French text) so if someone put "waer" under the Latin for "covenant", that just means that's the closest he could find in Old English for the term - not that it's the only meaning of waer, or even the only meaning of covenant. Going back to the dog example, if someone put the word "poodle" under chien then that might not be entirely accurate as a translation; there also might be the context of dog being used insultingly ("son of a bitch" and all that) so word-for-word glosses are kind of difficult to base an argument on.

Yours sincerely, someone who has studied the fragmented and over-stratified remnants of Old English, and translation.

And what is the end goal of most Warlocks? Be free of their pact but keep the boons.

That's interesting, but in regards to the current topic, this link may be illuminating.

etymonline.com/index.php?term=warlock

>Warlocks are wizards
Wrong. Unless you're talking about some system other than D&D, in which case please specify.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy

Yes and left-wingers in America are called "liberals". Orthodox Christiantity competes with Catholic Christianity; Catholic is another word for Orthodox. Punks, the sometimes violent radical non-conformists of music, are named for slang for wimpy serial rape victims in prison.

Sword, schism, and science all have the same indo-european root. Torpenhow Hill in england developed its name by accretion: it translates in various languages as hillhillhill Hill. Intercourse used to mean conversation, conversation used to be a euphemism for sex.

Etymologies lead to some strange results.

>implying WotC gives a shit about etymology

They are using the word warlock as gender neutral form of witch, like other fictional works do

Except witches never make any deals with the devil (don't believe church, they are all spoiled faggots). If anything, they are closer to druids, but instead of interacting with animals and plants they are interact with nature as whole, including non-living stuff like mountains and lakes and all this shit. More often, though, they just use common sense and basic herbal lore rather than any kind of magic.

I'd push for a Celestial pact Warlock.

>witch
No, they are using the traditional definition since it is a class that makes a deal with fey, Devils, elder gods, or undead

>etymonline.com/index.php?term=warlock

So it was Oathbreaker > In league with the devil > Male Witch?

>Old English pre-dates the Christianisation of England
What? No, OE as conventionally defined is a written language, the only pagan text we have in OE is a very short healing charm and the language was not written in anything but epigraphic form until the Christianization of England. You are correct about it being a more general word for traitor which is plainly evident from its lack of cognates in other Germanic languages and the presence of a masculine form of "witch" (wicca, as it were) in OE.

>witches never make any deals with the devil
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no.

I bet you think werewolves don't either.

>What the fuck is the Ark's full name?

Ark J. Schwarzburg-Sondershausen, but nobody ever asks.

>They are using the word warlock as gender neutral form of witch
But witch is a gender neutral term in the first place.

Wow. Someone's learned all they know about folklore from The Mists of Avalon.

>Warlocks are wizards

They should be a subclass at best.

>implying I even know what are you talking about
If you want to accuse me of plagiarism you'd better use discworld.

Warlocks making deals with other powers comes from the idea of a Warlock's oath to the Devil breaking their covenant to the Judeau-christian God.

That was its general meaning since the christianization of England.