WHICH IS THE BETTER SKINWALKER FOR MARTIALING HARD, CROC OR SHARK?
Kevin Peterson
So since I got brought up last thread, I might as well repost something I tossed out to get opinions on a month or so ago... But got no feedback on. So fuck me up and rip it apart.
An attempt to make an alternative to the Promethean Alchemist's Homunculus: pastebin.com/B3twtU4V
>"but prometheanfag, this is WAY better/worse than what the archetype normally gets! It also may or may not be utterly pointless!" That's because I am bad at this, and have no idea what I'm doing. I just like the idea of homebrewing, so I throw things at the wall and see if anything sticks.
Adam Ramirez
Shark, since Croc will hurt your Will Saves. Personally, I prefer Wolf
Nathaniel Lee
not being based ragebred it is like you don't even tusk
Landon Ortiz
You say something bacon?
Sebastian Bennett
yeah, like how crocs and sharks are pussies come at me bro
I'd rather not answer questions about Chimera Soul, since that's more Elric's department than mine, but feel free to tear into the rest of it.
Also, if whoever runs the trove is around, could I get this added to it?
Ian Cox
>you will never be a Small Ragebred Cavalier with a Boar mount
Why even pig?
Andrew Gray
>literally becoming Momiji
Carson Jones
Uh werebats where?
Colton Morgan
Somebody talk me out of buying the kineticists of porphyra books (or at least the first one).
Levi Hernandez
What's wrong with Momiji?
Aiden Reyes
The focus of the book is on werewolves, but if you want werebats I'd suggest looking into taking the Swiftwing Shift feat.
Hunter Myers
YOUR MEMES END HERE
Angel Martinez
So if I have chimera soul, I qualify for shifting feats right?
Angel Morris
Actually, anyone can take shifting feats. The shapeshifter subtype (which knowing a Chimera Soul maneuver gives you) allows you to add [Shifting] to your options on any restricted bonus feats you get (for example, Fighter combat feats). So it helps some classes accelerate their shifting feat progression
Jordan Smith
So with that trait to get 1 maneuver known, I can get the [Shifting] subtype with ease?
Christian Jenkins
Don't sexualize Momiji!
Aiden Morgan
What's the meme? I'd say that Momiji works excellently as a Witchwolf Ordained Defender Warder. Unless you have a better class for her?
Jordan Collins
>what's the meme?
You and your "awoo."
Brody Turner
Nothing's wrong with being a Tengu guard dog.
Kayden Thomas
As things stand, you get the Shapeshifter subtype, which allows you to add [Shifting] feats to your restricted bonus feat lists, yes. Being a playtest, if it creates too many issues things might change, but I don't personally think there would be any issues.
Austin Ward
>Momiji >Implying I'm not playing as Perrin Atbara or John Talbain Jokes on you prey
Adrian Campbell
I wouldn't worry about it.
Austin Carter
Momiji fits better as an Agathion-Blooded Aasimar, since one's a celestial bloodline and the other's literally a Celestial Dog.
Isaiah James
Without getting into 3pp, is there any class or multiclass that can result in "I can live under the ocean comfortably" at a reasonable level, say between 7th and 10th?
Jack Rivera
For both of these, I meant the shapechanger subtype, not shapeshifter. I always get that wrong (shapeshifter just sounds cooler, imo)
Jaxson Ramirez
The first big problem that comes to mind is shapeshifter immunity to polymorph effects, which could be a pretty big thing in some games.
Wyatt Reyes
I'm 90% sure most people would relish an immunity to getting turned into a dog or mouse.
Isaac Lewis
Holy hell that image is adorable.
But she's a wolf! A WOLF!
Jaxon Wright
Druid? Other than turning into an aquatic animal(or undead), I don't think you can live under ocean comfortably short of building an entire habitat there. Permanent water breathing might allow you to survive, and any caster with crafting feats and some gold can manage that, but that's a far cry from living comfortably.
Robert Jenkins
There are races that can.
Brody Martin
[citation needed]
As far as I can tell, shapechangers are immune to Baleful Polymorph. They are not immune to polymorph effects.
If there's something outside both the subtype and the polymorphing rules that states it, it'd be great to see.
Oliver Smith
Shapechanger just let you count as a shapeshifter for prereqs i a pretty sure. You aren't really shapeshifter type with a trait.
Gabriel Myers
Shapechanger subtype is a specific subtype that doesn't add much except for things that specifically interact with it.
Nathaniel Ross
There are positive polymorph effects too, and what fun/challenge is left if you start getting immunities to everything?
Might just be me though. I can't imagine any sense of accomplishment from playing PoW, same thing with full casters
Well the idea was a Wolf-Scarred Face oracle with the waves mystery, refluff the curse as shark face and tske a dip or multiclass to actually live in water. Vital strike with the bite of course.
Leo Torres
There's no immunity. It's a myth.
Luke Robinson
You're not immune to it though. Some shapechangers can standard-action revert the effects of a polymorph, but it's not an immunity and not all of them can do so.
Levi Hughes
Ah, that's what I was thinking of. Thanks for remembering better than I did.
Levi Wright
i wish we had stats for those were-velociraptors in that AP in the giant spaceship with the killer god AI.
Adam Adams
Which disciplines can gain any sort of resistance to magic including things which operate similarly to iron heart surge?
Josiah Hall
Iron Tortoise, Riven Hourglass, Shattered Mirror, and I wanna say Fool's Errand all have elements of this. SM is the oddest to use of those, but [BIASED OPINION]pretty rewarding[/BIASED AF]
Jackson Morgan
Riven Hourglass has Temporal Body Adjustment. Scarlet Throne has Sanguine Perseverance.
Asher Long
By the way, in connection to this, has anyone got idea for renaming "Size Shift"? I'm still not happy with that name, but I'm drawing a blank on good ones.
Alexander Young
What book do they show up in? I might be able to work something out.
Dominic Williams
What would you say is the most "anime" protagonist of those especially given that it's on a zwei sentinel warder?
Liam Peterson
Fool's Errand Fool's Errand Fool's Errand
William Ross
Monstrous Growth?
Liam Price
HER SHIELD IS WRONG. IT IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MAPLE LEAF ON IT.
STOP POSTING IMPOSTERS.
Henry Martinez
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Josiah Price
Momiji of the East? More like Momiji the cute. CUTE!
William Sullivan
The problem I have with both of these is that Size Shift also allows you to shrink.
Adam Hughes
Temporal Body Adjustment feels like the dodgiest maneuver in all of PoW to me. It's good that it was nerfed to be a bit more tightly defined than the playtest but I still see its way to just NOPE out of any negative condition at any time with no roll having the potential to annoy a lot of GMs. It's a huge 'fuck you' to any attempts to do something to the player other than damage them.
Even by a fairly strict RAW interpretation of it you can negate blinded, frightened, grappled, nauseated, energy drained, fatigued, helpless, unconscious, prone, or stunned. And you don't even need the counter readied for a bunch of them, as long as you're still able to act you can just recover it and retroactively 'nope' out. GMs will just give up trying to throw anything interesting at you and resort to beating on you with full attacks every turn.
Kayden Adams
Take a page out of Forrest's book and find a good pun for it.
Xavier Sanchez
i do not into dark souls
a former roommate ruined all the games for me, due to making thousands of 'different' characters - like a 'faith' character or a 'heavy weapon' character...and then playing them all the same way - run to dragon shrine, get infinite souls and use pyromancy to get through the game. Every character was played the same, no matter the build. I played enough of DaS1 to beat ornstein and smough, get the ornstein armor and then quit
Daniel Thomas
Since the others also all have shift in the name, maybe something like Magnitude Shift.
Asher Morales
It's the same as iron heart surge, all you need to do is remove the ability to take the action and they're screwed if it isn't readied.
Jacob Foster
Why is there another trip on here?
Oliver Ramirez
Fool's Errand has "fuck all of your immunities and protections, you're "notgrappled" now" that, used right, will autopin anyone, which unless you're fighting something with very deadly touch, is probably an instant win.
Benjamin Gonzalez
Except enemies can't always HAVE the ability to inflict those conditions.
It's the Lords of the Wild person, you silly billy, pay attention. And it's not like a tripcode is offensive to your delicate sensibilities anyway.
Liam Lee
Because people can use tripcodes and that's just fine.
Don't whine because 'oh no someone is asserting some identity - no one should ever, ever do that'
Jason Ward
It still encourages bad gameplay, because that leads to >There is no way to inflict a medium level inconvenience on this character, I've got to either go all out and take them out of the fight for a few rounds, or do nothing
Landon Reed
So we've turned into a personal advertising board for 3pps?
And my delicate sensibilities need velvet and lavender
Christian Robinson
Given that you have to roll a dispel check against it and make them fail TWO saves to pull that off, on top of needing to be in either the 3rd level or 8th level stance from FE... Yeah, that doesn't seem that bad.
Ryder Hughes
Oh, I like that one. Many thanks, user.
Eli Torres
Ehh you should have done something for each lycanthrope desu. Growing midget wings does not sound cool at all.
Blake Allen
If he is not currently talking about the product then he should not have a tripcode. There is no reason for it. At the moment he is fine, but plenty have been using /pfg/ to simply wear tripcode and talk.
Hunter James
When have we ever not been an advertising board? Even before DSP started paying attention to feedback here, we ranted and raved about them.
Yeah, Temporal Body Adjustment has the same problem that all martials have. In order to make it stop you have to make them worthless.
Isaiah Butler
Are you ladderguy If you're talking about Make Them Humble, that's not so big a problem since it's specifically vs Freedom of Movement or similar effects: it doesn't work vs teleports or counters that just give you a really good reflex save.
Josiah Morris
The armor is pretty much exact expy of Shiva in DaS1 (sans shield and headwear). I wouldn't say it suits Momiji very well, always imagined her as leaning towards mobility and the armor is quite heavy.
You're roomate a shit, make sure to don't make them you're waifu. SL1 or bust!
Daniel Cook
They're a martial, most of the time when they get hit with a debuff that isn't part of an attack it's because it was AoE. It's not game breaking unless the DM builds to lock down the party at some point for plot reasons.
Josiah Ortiz
>So we've turned into a personal advertising board for 3pps?
>HURR DURR SHILL SHILL SHILL
Personally I don't mind having whatever devs here. I'd rather not have to travel to some retard forum to try and interact with them. Fuck off.
You faggots will complain about anything. Who the fuck cares about 'improper' tripcode use? Are you the fucking board police? arbiter of Veeky Forums?
No? Get fucked.
Samuel Diaz
They why is complaining even happening?
He's here to talk about a thing he's working on, so by the bizzare laws governing the alleged Veeky Forums etiquette, he's alright.
Ayden Ross
Fool's Errand.
For full Anime Protagonist, take Fool's Errand and Sleeping Goddess.
Hudson Jenkins
Yeah. In order to do what the guy's talking about, you need to:
>be in a stance that lets you grasp them (or have grasped them last turn) >use a boost and dispel their Freedom of Movement >make them fail a second reflex save
There's three die rolls to stop that, one of which is a coinflip in a best-case scenario if they've got Freedom of Movement. Any counters that move them away will also stop the first grasp, and anything that subs for saves will stop the second.
Snake Bite (which it was apparently renamed to when the style feat changed) is good for a takedown but you could be using any of the numerous other similar save or lose strikes. It doesn't even stop them from trying to use move actions to escape your grasp, even.
Ian Johnson
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Parker Clark
I normally am on the side of anti tripfags because they usually don't add anything related to the thread which this guy isn't doing. This in turn makes you a huge faggot.
Jordan Jenkins
We're a community that provides feedback to the people who make material for the game we play. Paizo wants to come in here and deal with our horseshit, they're welcome - I'd chat to Mark Seifter or even Wes Schneider without telling them they're cocksuckers any day.
Bulmahn can go directly to hell after this UE errata bullshit though.
Ryder Ramirez
Let buildposter and qanon, 2hu and others to keep using their trips as well
Elijah Russell
Temporal Body Adjustment makes it way worse. Sickened, deafened, fatigued, etc, maybe even Blind, are all reasonably interesting penalties to place onto martials for a fight that hinder them noticeably but don't make them useless.
TBA just removes the possibility of any of those, unless the GM bullshits and says 'you have this penalty now but it doesn't count as a Condition so you can't remove it'. I guess if it's an environmental penalty that's justified but there's only so far you can stretch that
Hunter Morris
>You're roomate a shit Yes, he was.
he also cheated on my best friend with a 'straight guy' 'by accident' and claimed it was 'too hard' to get home from work at the same mall I biked to every day... when he was writing the fucking schedules at his work place. Also made me absolutely hate several other games whenever he tried to participate because he was just a genuinely fucking awful person
That said I was never really big on the dark souls series anyways. They're visually and aesthetically pleasing, and they tell a story in an interesting way via the constant tidbits, I just never really cared for the gameplay. It wasn't ever particularly hard, just designed to be an exercise in not-actually all that impeding frustration, because death means very little so they can be 'unfair' to the player.
Eli Scott
I wouldn't mind having a casual, friendly chat with JJ, if I'm honest.
He just seems to be a simple man with simple pleasures. He likes his CG characters, and that's fine. Let him write the CG-ish adventures, and leave the other ones to other writers.
Henry Lee
2hu never uses a trip as far as I'm aware, and buildposter's namefagging makes him easier to filter.
Nolan Diaz
What do you think the best low cost magic items are? Stuff like the Sleeves of Many Garments.
Tyler Miller
It was considered at one point. Actually, the template was originally designed to cover wolf, bear, tiger, and boar (the four Weapons of the Beast options). It was decided fairly early on to cut the focus back to werewolves, with general lycanthropy and shapeshifterism being a backdrop, similar to Lords of the Night having a focus on vampires with an undead backdrop
Oliver Taylor
Would you a knife ear?
Zachary Campbell
>No? Get fucked. Christ you sound fucking insufferable.
Yeah, a lot of folks use it for vanity on /pfg/.
As I just said, he at the moment is fine. I was just saying there are plenty on /pfg/ who use trips for vanity.
Adam Barnes
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Gavin Russell
>Christ you sound fucking insufferable. Says the person complaining about incredibly petty things (omg he used a TRIPCODE) on the internet.
Jordan Evans
Same.
JJ is a lame weirdo with a CG Waifu boner, but he doesn't seem like a genuinely awful person.
He knows what he likes, and that's that.
Adam Jones
>A lot of /pfg/ use it for Vanity.
Nnnnno they don't.
Buildposter uses a name for vanity, I'll give you that. Buildposter is also reviled for reasons unrelated to that.
QANON only uses a trip when she needs to, and the others are just Devs, who its good to know who they are and that they're present so questions can be asked and feedback delivered.
I haven't used a trip in ages either, but that's pretty much just because I've fallen off the homebrew wagon. Should have something soon though.
Regardless, someone having a tripcode is hardly going to kill you.
Brayden Hernandez
Not a fake knife ear
An actual one maybe though.
I could totally get with a super-subby drow, make her wear thick blindfolds all day to protect her eyes from the light and make her even more reliant on me. deny her the use of her hands and even more magical realm shenanigans.
Julian Hughes
I recognize that elf.
Jose Fisher
How do I make pic related?
Ryder Watson
>They're a martial, most of the time when they get hit with a debuff that isn't part of an attack it's because it was AoE.
>a debuff that isn't part of an attack Not sure why you dismiss that when one of its big problems is how it invalidates about 70% of strikes that sacrifice damage in favor of battlefield control.
I wouldn't say Temporal Body Adjustment is gamebreaking, it's just really annoying. I feel no other single maneuver requires the GM to make as big a change to how they design every encounter as TBA.
(Sanguine perfection is also pretty bad but it has less out of combat uses because it suppresses rather than negates. I don't know why TBA didn't get an explicit allowed list in the same way though)
Ayden Anderson
I like JJ as a person and think he'd make a great fa/tg/uy, so I think one day he should make a visit here honestly.
Hudson Powell
>sexts alright I'll bite. Who is that though, and why is she tearing a bear in half?
Zachary Bennett
I was actually just trying to say it isn't broken, just annoying. It's not like it has errata stating that it explicitly protects vampires from sunlight like IHS.
Christopher Miller
Problem is, all of those are just as hard, if not sometimes harder (lower spell level for blindness compared to domination) to land than complete SoLs.
So, yes, TBA locks out those soft controls, but but without it, you're one failed save from murdering your party and sucking the oracle's transman cock.