What's the deal with the orks in the war of the Beast?

What's the deal with the orks in the war of the Beast?

At first I was under the impression that they were more dangerous versions of the 40k orks, but having just finished Echoes of the Long War I'm starting to think that actually the orks in the war of the Beast were actually the first time the Imperium encountered modern orks.

In the books, characters who have experience fighting against greenskins had no idea about the bad moon and blood axe clans and were amazed to hear orks speaking Gothic. That makes me think that the orks encountered during the great crusade weren't as 'evolved' as these ones and the war of the Beast is actually orks making the jump to their modern form with specialised clans and castes.

Interesting. Orks all speak gothic don't they?

Old orks iz da best orks.

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But aren't the Beast's Orks like, cultured and shit? That's definitely not in line with M41 Orks.

>That's definitely not in line with M41 Orks.

I wouldn't hold up the lore of anything to do with 40K as being particularly consistent though.

True, but having Orks in M40 speak like soccer hooligans (their usual selves) and the Beast's Orks speak like Imperial nobles who just happen to be green and constantly homicidial is a bit much of a divergence to just lay at the feet of "inconsistent lore."

The orks with the beasts were not more evolved, nor more similar to the 40k version than the first ones the imperium met.

They simply are more intelligent due to the newly rediscovered fungus that were used to create the leader caste of the krorks on the soon to be exterminated ork homeworld.

>Orks all speak gothic don't they?

No, but many learn it, purely so that the 'umies can understand the fact that the Orks are insulting them.

>True, but having Orks in M40 speak like soccer hooligans (their usual selves) and the Beast's Orks speak like Imperial nobles...

They don't speak like nobles.

Who else is expecting the series to end like this?

>Warboss wakes up from the most wonderful dream of the biggest WAAAGH ever
"And you's was dere, 'an you's was dere, an-"
"Oi boss, was dat dere?"
>Orks look up to see a giant asteroid speeding towards them
>Cut to a Farseer aboard an Eldar battleship in orbit

"I too have seen your dream Ork, and it shall not come to pass."

It is inevitably going to end with the orkish homeworld getting destroyed and the poor little girl jamming the deffstar into self destruction.


even if I hope the orkish homeworld is getting warped out of reality along the deffstars only to allow its return in 40k fluff
intelligent orks are fun at times

I just assumed it was WHAAAAGGHH! fuckery that they made so people could undertand their insults.

>poor little girl

Who? The only little girl I remember was killed when they exterminatused the water-world.

It only seems that way. Most, other side perspectives describe Ork language as grunts and shouts, but we hear them speaking cockney

Dorsnt it state that most of Ork tech apes the Imperiums technology? That would have to have happened after the Great Crusade. If so, than if imagine the shock must have been that the Orks "learned" how to crudely copy Imperial technology.

That's just my theory anyway.

Well the problem is The Beasts WAAAGH!!! is already recorded history, and is the most devastating WAAAGH!!! in history.

Also is the series of books good? I really love Orks, have never read 40k novels, but I am considering reading these for hardcore Ork action

It's Skubtastic as possible. If you love the antics and mannerisms of 40k Orks, than you'll probably dislike it because the Orks act vastly different to run of the mill Orks.

I love the antics and mannerisms of 40k Orks, but I also love scenarios where Orks kick the shit out of the other side by doing unexpected and outlandish things, or just by being overwhelmingly savage.

No, they are not, you dweeb.

It's in line with all portrayals of Orks in BL and the codexes. Like most novels they are told from the Imperial perspective so you don't get to see the Orks acting like the retards they are on "screen".

It's like you haven't read not a single Imperial novel where the Orks are the enemy. What's wrong with you man? Fucking newfag.

No not really. Orks acting lovably stupid has been reserved to the codex's and the comics.

What's skubby about it is that you have Orks that are above and beyond the size of Primarchs. The Beast himself dwarfs the emperor.

It does not ape in all fields. For example the orks have the best teleport tech in the setting.

I wouldn't call that skubby. Orks grow big the stronger they get, your average Warboss is just a few heads taller than a Space Marine, and Space Marines can still regularly fight Warbosses evenly, on their own. You get Orks who can chew through entire squads of Astartes you want them to be massive fucking Orks, and a Warboss capable of rallying enough Orks to threaten THE ENTIRE IMPERIUM would have to be an absolute monster of an Ork.

Look at Ghazghkull, he's the most influential and powerful Warboss currently known, and hes massive.

The Beast is somewhere between Bloodthrister and Imperial knight sized iirc. Normal Orks are like Gretchin to him.

It makes it more reasonable that he muscled nearly the entire galaxy's worth of Orks to work for him

I bet he wears a Stompa as armor

Basically this


40k needs more comics

We need more everything Orks

The Beast hasn't actually been seen in person at all; the only time you get a description of him is when some Imperials see a hologram projection of him and one of them says he 'looks the size of a hab-block'. I'm pretty sure that isn't meant to be taken literally.

The books are OK, but don't actually feature all that much about the orks. I think I liked Echoes of the Long War best, while The Last Wall is fucking terrible (poor writing combined with awful editing; a character reacts to news of an event in one chapter then a few chapters later he gets it again in a totally different scene).