If the Adeptus Mechanicus isn't allowed to study xenos technology except under special circumstances...

The AdMech does occasionally use magnetic acceleration, I have no idea why it's not more common, though. That being said, I hear the AdMech stole a shit ton of Tau tech during the last campaign, might see some results of their experimenting soon.

They did actually.

Its called the plasma gun and they made it first.
Mind you the one we know and love that explodes frequently is only a poor replica of the original.

Railguns are basically seen as too expensive to be worth it by the Admech. Las weapons are cheap as dirt, and for the cost of a railgun, you can have a vastly superior bolter or plasma gun.

Isn't that the basic principle of the Nova Cannon?

I remembered once Agemman managing to acquire a XV-15 Stealth Suit helmet before he skedaddled back to Ultramar to fight the Nids.

Well, nothing beats plasma.

Hmmmm. What about the Rail-Rifle then? It has even longer range. Maybe making some for the IG Sharpshooters or SM Veteran Scout Sergeants would be a good idea?

Yeah, but you'd like something for infantry use.

BTW did the AdMech tried to salvage and reverse-engineer some of the stuff Tau Battlesuits have?

Except that the rails are several km long and the round is the size of an apartment building and filled with high explosives, yes.

>They've always been studying Xenos and their technology, it only becomes a problem when you start using that knowledge for anything other than designing a method to counter them.

Wrong. Study of Xenos tech is forbidden by the Inquisition under pain of death. Please refer to your Admech codex.

I thought they claimed a lot of Necron tech was old STC stuff in order to skirt regulations.

>Inquisition
>In control of the AdMech
>Xenotech research is forbidden

You're not even trying. Please refer to all of the blurbs about Xenos weaponry from the AdMech's point of view, almost any of the FFG material, virtually any lore on Explorator Fleets.

> Rail-Rifle

I always assumed that's what exitus rifles were

Exitus Rifle is only for Vindicares and Vindicares only.

Lots of things are forbidden by the Inquisition under pain of death. Doesn't mean people don't get away with them all the time.

The Inquisition has authority over the Admech and should elements of the Admech start meddling in Xenos tech, they Inquisition will crack down.

Refer to the Admech codex for all the instances of the Inquisition taking the Admech to task for harbouring Xenos tech.

The imperium doesn't equipped it's trillions of dirt soldiers with state of the art railguns because it's stupid. Logistically it makes more sense to give the easily reproducible and reliable lasgun. The tau can equip their fire warriors with nice tech because their fire warriors are their space Marine equivalent (kinda).

This is probably the dynamic between the Admech and the Inquisition on this very subject.

Looking through the AdMech Codex right now, I'm not seeing many. In fact the biggest pointer of Inquisition/AdMech relations over this matter is them working together to go and ask the Dark Eldar for tech. Could you give me pages?

>335.M36 THE XENARITE SCHISM

>Stygies VIII comes under attack from dozens of Deathwatch Kill Teams when news of the Xenarites’ dabblings with alien technology reaches the Ordo Xenos. The Adeptus Mechanicus are forced to employ radical measures in order to survive the ensuing purges.

>c. M32 THE SHADOW WAR

>An intense paranoia drives the Cult Mechanicus to bury their secrets deep. When the Inquisitors of Terra’s new order take their tithe of data-tapestries, they also unwittingly take the countermeasures that will unravel them. Aware of their mistake but unwilling to admit it, the Inquisition devises purge protocols that engage in an unseen battle with the self-replicating deletion-programs of the Cult Mechanicus. Though this shadow conflict flares up into several planet-wrecking wars before fading into obscurity, it still rages in secret to this day.

>Inquisition
>peers of the Imperium
>AdMech
>not officially part of the Imperium, but rather a formal ally
They can butt heads, but Inquisitors would be as likely to cow a Magos as to die in an "unfortunate accident."

You

see

There is more. Read the bit about the Xenarite home forgeworld.

And the Inquisition isn't working with the Xenarites on the Dark Eldar project. Get your reading ability checked.

>Xenarites specified
"The Xenarites are a radical and secretive sect within the Adeptus Mechanicus who focus on studying and using alien technology."

>The Shadow War
AdMech and Inquisition have always had spats about sharing information, this is just one of the more notable examples of their shadowgames coming to a head.

Still nothing suggesting that AdMech don't study aliens, Xenoarcanists and Xenobiologists are actual Magos ranks for this kind of thing. It only becomes a problem when you start using Xenotech over studying it to find weaknesses.

>785.M39 THE WAR OF THE GOLDEN COG

>The Fabricator General of Mars claims ownership of the riches of the Fortress of the Soulless, lair of the Culexus temple. A disastrous civil war between Mars and Terra is averted by a sniper’s bullet, but the artefact known as the Golden Cog is left in Skitarii hands.

No one messes with the Inquisition or Terra. Dey got assassins yo.

>And the Inquisition isn't working with the Xenarites on the Dark Eldar project.

Xenarites aren't doing it, it specifies Xanthites, Xanthism being a philosophy of a Radical Inquisition sect.

The IA book that featured the Tau stated that the Admech were forbidden from examining Tau technology or studying, again, under pain of death.

Honestly I really don't think we're going to get anywhere on this one, mostly because the writers can't ever really be sure what the AdMech stance on this one is. Sometimes we have them idly researching Xeno-stuff to figure out weaknesses, other times they get hunted down or punished for it. Honestly, it kinda fits too, considering how little influence the Inquisition has over the AdMech relative to the rest of the Adeptus, so it's kinda a case of the Cogboys just doing it whenever they're not being watched, maybe.

My mistake.

One of which was 5,000 years ago, the other was 9,000 years ago. Inquisition philosophies, agendas, and spheres of influence change from day to day and from sector to sector. No different from every other Imperial Institution. What is common practice for one cabal of Inquisitors could be a sign of the highest heresy for another, two sectors over.

The Admech themselves have rather differing standards on this shit, and in practice, a Magos of a Forgeworld can pretty much do almost anything he wishes, including studying xenotech, as long as he keeps that shit under wraps.

And inquisition does not have overt authority over admech, at least not according to admech themselves, who see themselves as allies of the imperium, not it's subjects.

>STYGIES VIII - The Ever-staring Cyclops

>The Tech-Priests of Stygies VIII are infamous for their pursuance of forbidden xenos technology. Such is their curiosity, they wage war against the alien races of the galaxy not to conquer, but to study. Their dangerous yearning for the war-tech of other races is often overlooked, for Stygies VIII provides a great deal of vital war materiel for the surrounding systems, and in these tempestuous times the Imperium cannot afford to lose it – even the High Lords of Terra have deemed its continued existence vital. Even with that official sanction, a secret war unfolds upon Stygies VIII. Within its yawning reliquary-halls, battles between Deathwatch Kill Teams and radical Tech-Priests are still a disturbingly frequent occurrence. There are those amongst the Stygian priesthood who have taken their obsession with xenos war-tech to another level entirely, breaching the ancient webway portals of nearby Vulcanis III and taking entire war processions into the labyrinth dimension of the Eldar. They seek nothing less than to find the Black Library, plunder its boundless riches of knowledge and return triumphant to Stygies VIII – even if they have to cut their way through Eldar Harlequins, Chaos Space Marines and worse to achieve their goal.

The Imperium doesn't change so easily. The study of xenos tech might get overlooked but it is still an illegal practice that doesn't get punished as often due to the current climate of the galaxy.

>blacklibrary.com/all-products/ad-mech-infinite-circuit-ebook.html

This is a story about a Deathwatch team trying to get a sleeping C'tan shard from the Admech.

Keeping a sentient cosmic enity is illegal

>Refer to the Admech codex for all the instances of the Inquisition taking the Admech to task for harbouring Xenos tech.

Now go refer to all the radical inqusitors who don't give a crap about the rules.

Because the majority of AdMech believes that everything was already created by the Omnissiah. And it was perfect. They just have to find it.
Of course this wouldn't stop some more lenient or radical Magos to steal some Tau railguns, modify them so they look Imperial and are somewhat compatible with Imperial tech and then claim he totally discovered a new STC schematic. But the question is why would he do that? They might be stronger than the standard lasgun, but it would completely fail at the massive logistic problem. And SM or IG snipers already have powerful stuff to use. Most he could hope to achieve was outfitting his Skitarii or local IG specialists with them.

This is why most special snowflake Chapters where they extensively combine Imperial tech with xeno tech are completely retarded. You need to have steady and secure supply lines for both types of tech, plus means to actually combine them.

Radical Inquisitors are rare and they are hunted down by their peers.

The admech as an organization, has contempt for the laws of the Imperium.

We KNOW its a shard. Its been states numerous times. Newcrons>gaycrons, REEE, etc.

Of course they do. They are not subjects of the Imperium. They are their own empire, ALLIED with the Imperium.

>They seek nothing less than to find the Black Library, plunder its boundless riches of knowledge and return triumphant to Stygies VIII – even if they have to cut their way through Eldar Harlequins, Chaos Space Marines and worse to achieve their goal.
>Ahriman spends 10,000 years cooking up the perfect plan to sneak into the Black Library, steal its secrets, and then become a god and/or reverse the Rubric
>An army of Skitarii led by Magos Bumfuck McNoName kick down the door within a decade of deciding to go there, steal all its knowledge, and go home, leaving Ahriman in the Webway with his dick in his hand
>Then Stygies VIII gets Exterminatus'd for having too much forbidden lore and all the knowledge of the Black Library is lost forever
>Somewhere in the Warp, Tzeentch is laughing his beak off.

>Radical Inquisitors are rare
Common enough that entire factions of them persist through the millenia, pursuing one agenda or another.

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>Inquisition forbids xeno-tech research
>The whole Omnissiah thing

THE IMPERIUM RUNS ON DOUBLE STANDARDS.

YES. It's sad, but even the factions that are making up the rules break them themselves.

The infamous Dreadknight? It is heavily rumored that it has xeno-tech as basis.

The C'Tan Phase-Blade of the Callidus Assassin? It is Necrontyr Tech (as if the C'Tan part didn't betray its origins).

THE DIGITAL WEAPONS? JOAKERO TECH!

And if anyone wants to know, the AdMech is doing xeno-tech, but only the most courageous Magos and Archmagos (who also have the most common sense) can do research on it and research in general, but it's done so ridiculously rarely that it's invisible.

Even in the 3rd ED Eldar Codex the Imperials don't deny it that they are trying to reverse-engineer Eldar grav-tech for their own use after they wiped out the space elf pixie fairies.

>It's sad, but even the factions that are making up the rules break them themselves.
I'm not sure 'sad' is the right word. 'Predictable' or 'inevitable' seems more accurate.

>'Predictable' or 'inevitable' seems more accurate.
That too. But you could also put the word 'sad' in too.

Not official but interesting nonetheless.

>Please inform the inqusition that the new inquisitorial representative died bravely in the line of fire and to please sent a new one
>And burn the body.

DELET THIS

Pardon me but I must nitpick.
>medical technology
>bolt weapons
>lasguns
Why would they be in a grey area?

It's impossible these days to delete entire threads.

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>Perhaps send a less... inquisitive inquisitor this time.
>This one's curious nature caused an "unfortunate industrial accident" involving our combat servitors.
>We are still picking his fleshy parts out of our servitor's chain-fists
>We will be billing the inquisition for their repair.

Not even close.

Tau heavy railguns, the stuff they put on their combat ships... are identical in performance to imperial macroweapons.

Literally the same.

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The Inquisition has very limited control over the Mechanicus.

The Mechanicus was granted vast 'religious freedoms' when they capitulated to the Emperor. They're technically a sovereign government that just happens to be subordinate to the Imperium of Man.

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The Inquisition has supreme powers with the Imperium - the AdMech is not 'within' the Imperium.

As per the Treaty of Mars signed by the Emperor, they are merely allies, united by a common cause and more recently, by a similar religious ethos.

They can study it they just can't use it or replicate it

Because you have grav weaponry to deal with most of those things and lascannons for every other target and both of them are more cost effective and easy to maintain than rail guns.

Imperial XV15s. They're coming.

Prepare your assholes.

I don't remember the source, but I thought I read something that the AdMech had tried getting railguns to work for a while, but couldn't figure it out, and that they were astonished that the Tau got it before they did.

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The Admech got some Tau railguns, but decided the high-pitch whining noises it made indicated the machine spirit was in distress, and therefore proved it was an inferior machine.

They won't just outright steal xeno tech and slap some skulls on it and call it a day. Any implementations of such things are going to be done subtly, quietly, and in minimal ways. Like examining xeno plasma tech to make modifications to imperial plasmaguns so that they explode marginally less often.

werent the tau cavemen during the horus hersey? didnt they evole over only like 4000 years? so i think the empire plasma guns came first

I think this is more on the means of Mass Production and or modification. By that I mean that things like those need to be made in Mechanicus approved facilities, probably with a least a few low level members of the church on staff to repair the factories as needed, and that any modifications to the base pattern should only be done by mechanicus members.

>didnt they evole over only like 4000 years?
Some thousands of years of complete isolation, yes.
It only took humans 4000 years to go from agrarian people with basic writing to the modern era, so I don't know why everyone keeps acting like what the Tau pulled is so fantastic. They were protected from getting raped, and prospered for it.

IG don't have grav weapons, and they'd love weapons with longer range.

Well, in the old lore when the Squats were still an army in their own rights, the AdMech was astonished that the space dwarves could invent things that worked and which they tried to make, but to no effect.

>The AdMech got some Tau railguns, but decided the high-pitch whining noises it made indicated the machine spirit was in distress, and therefore proved it was an inferior machine.
Another AdMech would tell that the machine spirit is a smooth operator.

But seriously? Basing it all on sounds and noises?

>But seriously? Basing it all on sounds and noises?
Ring the silver bell, faggot.

>IG don't have grav weapons, and they'd love weapons with longer range.
Comrade, you're guard, you don't need science gun, grab your rifle and ready the bayonet, we're next wave.

And I thought they could contact the MS in a more mystical way...

Or build a Guardsman Railgun made out of Guardsmen.

Admech BTFO

>Or build a Guardsman Railgun made out of Guardsmen
Or deploy a shit load of lascannons heavy weapons teams.

The Munitorum has its limits.

>The Munitorum has its limits.
>Munitorum
>limits
Losing a regiment of Guardsmen is a minor loss user, they can pump as many lascannons as they want.

The Admech is very insular and and their compliance with mainstream imperial law largely hinges on goodwill and whether or not they can get away with something.

If you call a magos out on some imperial conclave and say "OI, your boy Flaviuz is fucking around with eldar tech" then the magos is going to be all "oh my, that's terrible, I'll totally hand him over to the inquisition."

But if you go to Flaviuz's secret lab and go "inquisition, open the door" you might get blasted to slag, buried in a mine shaft, and when your superiors come looking for you, Flaviuz and his entire staff is going to show you records that prove you never arrived in system.

The inquisition and the admech are huge organizations, they both have plenty of people who bend or break the rules and get away with it.

Just look at all the inquisitors who end up hunting each other down because chaos artifacts! or shit like that.

They have regulations in terms of giving stuff depending on the Regiment type.

You can't have a Regiment that has a little of everything.

Then bayonets it's.

>the AdMech was astonished that the space dwarves could invent things that worked and which they tried to make, but to no effect.
What?, Probably it also helps not having your head up your ass.

Bayonets are the answer to everything.

The Squats made a functioning neo-plasma and warp cores long before the AdMech even did 1/10th of it.

>"Hey Inquisitor, Magos Flaviuz brought Xenotech in his fannypack to the meeting!"

>spess dorfs, how do they work

This is cool, does anyone have anything more like it?

It's a good thing these guys were mentioned in 6th ED.

Now if only they became an army in their own right now...

Also waiting for the Demiurgs to finally get expanded and given models.

>Also waiting for the Demiurgs to finally get expanded and given models.
Probably axed before their time.

>Probably axed before their time.
B-but they still have a ship in BFG for the Tau Fleets.

They really axed them?

>B-but they still have a ship in BFG for the Tau Fleets.
All the BFG from FW was axed and send into oblivion

>They really axed them?
They haven't been mentioned since their first appearance on FW.

Goddammit. The Curse of Kirby stil lingers.

my sides

Didn't the warp storm also accelerate the flow of time on the Tau home world or am I making that up?

it may or may have not, because haha Warp

Also, the Tau doesn't have to supply the logistics for over a trillion men across the galaxy.