Why does Veeky Forums have such a deep hate for people who want to play japanese culture? Anything other than that...

Then don't play a ninja or a samurai.

>That's what bothering me about it.
That's something which bothers most people about asian culture indeed.

>Asian culture is so much more than MUH KATANAS CAN CUT THE SKY stuff
Whether that is the case or not, we never stop hearing from these katana people do we? Even though European swords are easily better then theirs?

>I just think it's a shame people miss out on such concepts.
What concepts? What is the European people missing?

>Even though European swords are easily better then theirs?
>What concepts? What is the European people missing?
>Blah blah blah muh Europe
So which are you? A rootless American or an underage Scandi faggot?

(Different user)
European swords could be considered better due to the fact that the vast majority of iron in Japan was low quality (hence the continuous folding of japanese swords)

No clue what they meant about the other shit

This, Legend of the 5 rings doesnt tend to be shitted on, and thats because they stick to the Japanese culture (even to the extremes) instead of the "wow my katana its so cool, look how I am a ninja, so deep and mysterious"

That's sort of true, but a simplification. In any case the anti-weebs don't really care about the specifics, they just want to bash Japan because they're triggered by anime or something.

Lo5R is ULTRA weaboo. It's more weaboo than Naruto, what with all the honorabu conductu shit they've loaded it with.

>So which are you? A rootless American or an underage Scandi faggot?
I am a grown up Scandinavian (yes, those exist).
OP (you?) asked:
>Why does Veeky Forums have such a deep hate for people who want to play japanese culture?
My answer:
>Because of the greatest sword ever created, the katana, I guess?
And that makes me a faggot? Fuck off.

>European swords could be considered better due to the fact that the vast majority of iron in Japan was low quality (hence the continuous folding of japanese swords)
European swords were better for a number of reasons. What about something as simple as a crossguard?

They could be considered better because there's slightly less work required to make them? The folding is what fixes the problems with the ore. If a sword has been folded like that, the problems no longer affect it.
L5R is fantasy, not historically accurate to anything. Saying that it sticks to Japanese anything is like saying that Game of Thrones sticks to British culture. It's a fantasy setting with Fantasy samurai and a fantasy culture that is only loosely based on a real culture.

Because, as with furries and MLP fans, it's not the material that's rage-inducing, it's the kind of awful fan that can't stop talking about how is favorite X is the best thing ever and all the rest is shit and you're stupid for not liking it, and keeps injecting it in unrelated discussions. We would hate zoroastrian settings if people never shut the fuck up about it.

tl;dr: Nerdy autism=good. Proselytism=bad.

>OP (you?) asked:
>>Why does Veeky Forums have such a deep hate for people who want to play japanese culture?
>My answer:
>>Because of the greatest sword ever created, the katana, I guess?
>And that makes me a faggot? Fuck off.
I wasn't OP. I was responding directly to your post, if you look you'll notice that my post actually links to your post so you can see exactly what I take issue with.

It's always the Scandinavians that start this shit, because the rest of Europe actually accomplished something after 900AD.

Tsuba.

>Tsuba.
Not a crossguard.

>It's always the Scandinavians that start this shit, because the rest of Europe actually accomplished something after 900AD.
That is hilarious. So, you don't know much about history then?

>Not a crossguard.
Then what is it? It's a bit of metal between the blade and the handle that is strong and wide enough to stop someone from slicing your fingers thin.

non mass producible weapons are shit

Bacause animu and it's fans
I could seriously admire japanese culture and history as much as any other, but fact that it is object of mass cult by hordes of insufferable retards makes it repulsive.

Only if you need to arm tons and tons of dudes with them.
And considering that the Japs had massed produced spears, bows, and firearms, not having massed produced swords isn't much of an issue.
If you're comparing them on a "how hard would it be to arm 10,000 dudes with this", sure, Jap swords lose out to just about all contemporary designs.

>Then what is it? It's a bit of metal between the blade and the handle that is strong and wide enough to stop someone from slicing your fingers thin.
It's still not a CROSSguard (and not as effective, which should be easy too see). As for you, what are you even trying to argue here? I am very well aware that the theaters of war, that is Europe / Asia looked very different and therefore implied different weapon developments. I have never heard anyone arguing for Asian superiority/equality technologically wise though.

"It's always the Scandinavians that start this shit, because the rest of Europe actually accomplished something after 900AD."

Which also, again, is false.

>As for you, what are you even trying to argue here?
That they had a guard between their hand and the blade and that saying they didn't is disingenuous. Cross-guards that are actually cruciform weren't even universal in Europe.

>That they had a guard between their hand and the blade and that saying they didn't is disingenuous. Cross-guards that are actually cruciform weren't even universal in Europe.
But that is not what I am asking for is it? It is the development of guards, of swords itself.
Once Asia (whatever?) arrived with the katana, they basically stuck with it. You wouldn't find a rapier in Asia would you?

We folded our swords here in Europe too. Iron/steel bloom-making metallurgy simply doesn't produce sword-quality metal straight up. And if we crank up the heat in the blast furnace to get a fully molten state metallurgy, then we won't even get forgeable metal out of it, instead we get pig iron that has to be fined, almost certainly carburised, and then folded a bit all said and done.

All min all, what's described as poor quality materials in Japan here is simply the reality of metallurgy back before the late 19th century or so (and considerably later as well as everyone wasn't cutting edge here, even in the west).

See: Alan Williams, The Sword and the Crucible.

Except they were constantly developing their swords.
"katana" literally just means sword. Saying that they figured out a singular design and then never changed it is... well, it's exactly like saying that anyone in Europe just stuck with Viking swords forever until they developed guns.

>We folded our swords here in Europe too.
Indeed, Ulfberht swords for instance.

Viking swords get A for effort, though.

Something something Gustavus Adolphus something something Swedish Empire...

If Japan is ever mentioned some retard inevitably leaps in to shitpost about how it isn't Europe, or about anime and weebs, or Japanese superiority (rarely now. Euroboos are way more common than weebs now). Especially popular is the favorite conversation on swords, because some people's self evaluation as a human being depends on whether or not people on the Internet understand and believe their half baked theories on arms and armor from two disparate cultures that formed in completely different environments. Thus, Japan is inherently impossible to talk about on Veeky Forums.

The nationalistic dickwaving is getting pretty fucking stupid. Both retards screaming about muh katana and retards screaming about muh longsword. You aren't even using actual facts. It's always some misunderstood argument about folding metal or a half understood statement about pre-industrial Japan's iron production and the quality of its steel. No matter how much actual fact is cited by people like KM, no matter how much real sources are cited. So much shitposting that could be avoided if people just read a fucking book.

>"katana" literally just means sword.
And also a specific kind of sword from later on when they weren't really fighting with swords anymore.
The Tachi is the precursor to the specific-weapon-katana and was a full-blown war weapon with large tsuba and a different taper to its blade. Of course, Tachi also means another type of sword from before they started making curved ones, but it's spelled differently in moonrunes.
All of them collectively called katana, because Japan loves to use the same word for different things and English doesn't do so well when trying to separate words that are only differentiated by minor changes in a glyph.

>and not as effective, which should be easy too see

It's easy enough to miss that I haven't noticed any major difference from what kendo and HEMA I've done.

A cross guard is a very specific type of guard. We can have a full baskethilt, and all the protection that brings with it, without a cross. A guard plate, like a tsuba, isn't a crossguard.

Now going form that to claiming a guard plate is necessarily inferior to a cross, that's a jump I'm not willing to make.

>Something something Gustavus Adolphus something something Swedish Empire...
That is one, uhm I guess, not even noteworthy example indeed. Because in the end, it wasn't that important was it?

>"katana" literally just means sword. Saying that they figured out a singular design and then never changed it is... well, it's exactly like saying that anyone in Europe just stuck with Viking swords forever until they developed guns.
Except it is not. A rapier/shortsword/longsword/etc is not a viking sword is it? In Asia though, it seems to me, and this may very well be predjudice, that they stuck with a particular form. The katana does not look that different from "Guntō" (2nd world war) does it?

>"It's always the Scandinavians that start this shit, because the rest of Europe actually accomplished something after 900AD."

>be pagan
>fight each other
>become catholic
>fight each other
>become protestant
>stalemate with the catholics
>lose to Russia
>declare an empire
>smuggle some tea from the Caribbean
>lose to Britain
>Sweden elects a Frenchman as king
>1/3 of the population flees to America
>lose to Germany
>win the Eurovision a few times
>import 1 trillion Somalis
Pretty good history desu senpai

>It's easy enough to miss that I haven't noticed any major difference from what kendo and HEMA I've done.
No difference then between a katana and a rapier?

OP here.

>European swords are easily better
True. But just for the point, we don't only play what's better, do we? If that was the case, it's most likely you'd just see a party of full-plated knights or with the weapon that deals the most damage and such.

>Concepts
I suppose there are no concept which couldn't be transferred to European settings, of course. But some of them may lose some of their feel, on the way. For example, the diplomatic Chancellors.

The gunto is a katana. Just like how the sword used by mad Jack Churchill is a claymore (Of the small variety).
Imperial Japan was running on a rose tinted bushido/military glorification ideal (That never really existed before that) and their officer swords were more for show than anything (Though still sharp).

>Pretty good history desu senpai
And you are from?

Man, you really need to read more about katanas before shitposting about them. Their design, length, and curve was in flux for hundreds of years before settling into a fairly standard form during the Tokugawa shogunate. That's not to mention all of the various variant weapons that came and went over time like the giant two handers. Yeah, you don't see hilts change, but you see a lot of variance in the actual blade.

>Man, you really need to read more about katanas before shitposting about them. Their design, length, and curve was in flux for hundreds of years before settling into a fairly standard form during the Tokugawa shogunate. That's not to mention all of the various variant weapons that came and went over time like the giant two handers. Yeah, you don't see hilts change, but you see a lot of variance in the actual blade.
You are probably correct. However, what I am asking for is an analogy between European and Asian swordsmanship. And I don't find it. The different types of swords that develop in Europe does not have an equivalent do they? Which is basically the only thing that I am trying to argue.

I'm... honestly not sure what you're asking. An analogy between European and Asian swordsmanship? Both had sword fighting systems. Do you mean the sheer variance in different types of swords in Europe? Arming swords, falchions, sabers, longswords, etc?

Well, the famous, "really special" ones may actually be an exception there. They were with imported crucible steel, and the crucible process (turning iron into steel) is an alternative to folding bloomery steel, they both refine the smelting product into useful material. I'd expect the smiths to quickly notice that folding was unnecessary here (as it's an "until its done" process more than "always do it X times"), and then skip that.

On the other hand, these Ulfberth swords may be just another knockoff of the real ones, which would have been made using more conventional European metallurgy, ie folding.

>And also a specific kind of sword from later on when they weren't really fighting with swords anymore.

The katana was in use in the second half of the 13th century, if not earlier. It then saw a lot of general use, changing in shape this way and that, until the Edo period (roughly 17th century and onwards) made large battles a rarity. And even later it still remained in deadly serious use; self defence, duels, vendettas, assorted unrest. You're no less dead just because you weren't killed on the battlefield.

>So much shitposting that could be avoided if people just read a fucking book.
In addition to The Sword and the Crucible, I recommend:
Williams, The Knight and the Blast Furnace
Kapp, Kapp and Yoshihara, The Craft of the Japanese Sword
Manfred Sachse, Damascus Steel
As well as mediafire.com/download/j1wyomznimm/Feuerbach_-_Damascus.pdf and mediafire.com/download/zoyjlnmyjtw/Wootz_articles.zip
There's also some material in Manouchehr Moshtagh Khorasani's Arms and Armor from Iran.

Most different types of swords were eventually abandoned because better things were designed. In fact, swords from all over the world eventually hit a sort of singularity. Mid-length, slightly curved blades that can be used from horseback became the gold standard and pretty much didn't change until WW1, when development universally ceased because we got serious modern warfare. There's really not that much difference between a cavalry saber and a late katana.

And don't forget those wacky Meiji swords which are katana blades mounted on European style saber hilts.

>In Asia though, it seems to me, and this may very well be predjudice, that they stuck with a particular form

So a straight mamluk sword is the same as a niuweidao, which is the same as a tachi, which is the same as a khanda...

>Most different types of swords were eventually abandoned because better things were designed.
Of course they were. That is why you see an evolution in European swordmanship. From "viking swords" (scandinavia) to, for instance, short swords. The very characteristics behind those swords were different.

I would like to reiterate
>Why does Veeky Forums have such a deep hate for people who want to play japanese culture?
Because of the katana.

>On the other hand, these Ulfberth swords may be just another knockoff of the real ones, which would have been made using more conventional European metallurgy, ie folding.
And no one argues otherwise, at all.

>So a straight mamluk sword is the same as a niuweidao, which is the same as a tachi, which is the same as a khanda...
Asia in this instance implies Japan.

>The very characteristics behind those swords were different.
And this isn't true for Asian (Even just Japanese) swords because what? They happen to look similar aesthetically? The internal composition, length, shape, center of balance, and all other aspects changed dramatically. Even things like the hilts, which look very similar through the ages, changed, with differing numbers of pins and completely different widths on the guards.

Sorry mate, you appear to be arguing a point only you understand, possibly along with a paranoid delusion.

>And this isn't true for Asian (Even just Japanese) swords because what? They happen to look similar aesthetically? The internal composition, length, shape, center of balance, and all other aspects changed dramatically. Even things like the hilts, which look very similar through the ages, changed, with differing numbers of pins and completely different widths on the guards.
And the shape is still the same. Compare a longsword with a rapier. That is something very different.

We STOPPED folding after the napoleonic wars.

Sabers from that period can still delaminate when they come appart along the layers.

Differences in sword design are older than that, but idiots posting shit about inferior japanese metal don't care about that shit, or about the fact that using iron sand to producue weapons was a fuck important practice that altered the political balance within Japan significantly.

Honestly, if you want a terrible modern-day comparison, it was the shale oil of the professional warrior class.

So yes, your entire argument is about aesthetics.
Appearance means literally NOTHING. Rapiers are often heavier than "longswords" and have a completely different tolerance to bending because the internal composition and center of balance is far, faaaaaaaar more important than the looks.

>There's really not that much difference between a cavalry saber and a late katana.

Remember kids, online you don't have to know even the most basic shit about the topic you're writing on.

Um, changing the face of Christianity, one of the big five religions, by preserving the German Protestants, thus leading to the future rise of Prussia and the downfall of Austria, thus having theoretically infinite effects up to our own time is kinda a big deal.

Without the Swedish phase, Thirty Years War would have been a Catholic victory in less than half the time.

Yes, because one curved sword that you can use from horseback and another curved sword that you can use from horseback are completely and totally different and someone who knows how to utilize the one would be completely lost if given the other.

Because Japanese culture is just a byproduct of tang dynasty's culture with the arts and aesthetics becoming far more autistic due to scarcer resources/luxuries, handing the responsibility of developing and refining their language to rich housewives that have too much freetime and who also spend all day being judgmental uppity bitches far too concerned about capturing the emotional tone of their day to day melodramatic affairs and isolationism.

Quite. Japanese sword design explored many variations of a single design.

European sword design explored many different designs.

>Anything other than that, such as African, Arabic, European etc seems to be just fine

Everyone's arguing about swords for the millionth time, and I'm just here wanting to know when OP has ever seen something African (except Egypt) in a TTRPG.

The problem with African culture is that your average mildly educated neckbeard is going to pidgeon hole the entirety of it on Shaka's Zulus.

The problem with African culture is that the history is poorly preserved, there's massive interference from the colonial period and nobody can do a half-decent job of selling it to the rest of the world anyway.

I guess nothing's really stopping you form using the katana on horseback, but it wasn't really intended for that. It's an infantry weapon, while the cavalry rides around (and some infantry runs around) with tachi, and as such remained a weapon for the grunts as long as the elite was on horseback.

Thank you. English isn't my mother tounge, and what you just said is something that I have been trying to say for quite a while. Thank you.

Besides that,
>Sorry mate, you appear to be arguing a point only you understand, possibly along with a paranoid delusion.
Well, from the very beginning I was trying to argue one particular point (I think (?)).
(i) A reason why European people dislike asian culture is because of the katana.
--Because according to some people, it is the best sword ever created. These people are not that rare these days, for some reason.
-----Some people, me included, disagree. I don't find an analogy for the "katana" in the European sword "evolution". One doesn't find much of an "evolution" at all if one looks at japanese swords. Even if one does, it does not compare to the European ones. Sorry, I just don't see it. That is, the evolution of swords in Europe does not compare to the one in Asia.

That's a problem with cultures that developed around oral traditions.

Also you might think of colonialism as a massive interference, but the African rulers are the ones who willingly participated in the slave trade, and based most of their economy and social structure on collecting and exporting slaves. Hell the sudden abolishment of institutionalized slavery without anytime to reform their economy and social structure was probably a key factor of why Africa is such a shithole today.

user, Katanas had a fixed maximum length by law at that point, which made them about five inches shorter than your standard euro military saber.

Never mind that you're comparing a one-handed sword from a culture that's been renowed for making thin swords since antiquity to a hand-and-half sword from the fatso swords end of Eurasia.

>does not compare to the one in Asia.

What kind of fucking brain damage does it take to be unable to distinguish Japan from all of Asia? How can someone that stupid survive?

>>Also you might think of colonialism as a massive interference, but the African rulers are the ones who willingly participated in the slave trade, and based most of their economy and social structure on collecting and exporting slaves
That's not what I meant.

If European cultures hadn't actually taken over the territory and build schools/churches/hospitals/whatever, what we'd have today would be a more exotic and authentic African culture to base fantasy shit in. As it is, we're stuck for information beyond pith helmets and grass skirts, because as you said, there's no written record.

You and I both know African's contact with Europe stretches at least as far back as the 14th century.

Basically, it's because most of Veeky Forums has dealt with someone who demands to play something inspired by an Asian cartoon - not even actual Asian culture, just the cartoon shit - regardless of his inappropriate of it is, and will throw a shit fit if you say no. It's lead to a "once burned, twice shy" mentality.

The Tang dynasty was a foreign dynasty, user. The ruling house preserved some of the most basic steppe culture institutions, which you can see in action among the Ottomans and other steppe dynasties.

The Chinese just pretended that their ching-chong totes Han nip-nog Emperors or their sons went mad whenever they acted upon those.

>You and I both know African's contact with Europe stretches at least as far back as the 14th century.

Now I don't know about you, but in my history, Spain was ruled by Africans for a long time and America is to Subsaharan Africans basically what Australia is to the Britsh.

Because, it could become a weeb shitfest....

Those swords weren't combat swords, they're like the cowboy revolvers imperial germany gave to its officers in WW1: they look kinda cool, and they signify that you are important. They aren't actually for use as weapons.

>I am a grown up Scandinavian (yes, those exist).
I love how these faggots get called out as much if not more than Americans and yet they still feel like everyone else thinks they're better.

Its a perfect storm where their racism, jingoism, and overall ignorance despite 'good education' really goes beyond what your standard American-band dumbasses can muster.

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.

>This, Legend of the 5 rings doesnt tend to be shitted on, and thats because they stick to the Japanese culture (even to the extremes) instead of the "wow my katana its so cool, look how I am a ninja, so deep and mysterious"

>L5R
>Historically accurate

This is the funniest post i've seen on Veeky Forums.

This is an old lie, and you might want to stop perpetuating it.

Really, the "warhammer wednesdays" only mattered to the warhammer kids, and were ignored by the larger population of Veeky Forums. You really think a single day of spam was enough to warrant a board? If anything, there would have been /an/ long before Veeky Forums, and /fur/ before that if that's how moot decided to make boards.

But no, the more logical conclusion, and the likely origin of the name "traditional games" (rather than /40k/ or /wh/ or /war games/) was all the misplaced D&D threads that showed up in /v/ and /b/. D&D was clearly not a "video" game, hence the creation of a "traditional" game board.

It's also interesting to note that moot has admitted to having played D&D, but not ever having played 40k.

>assumptions are bad
>generalisations are wrong
>evidence is required
>one could argue

You can argue non-sequiturs all you like, sport, but this isn't a court of law. Veeky Forums is Neckbeard Island in a frothing sea of self-loathing otaku, /b/tards and /d/viants. We call it Veeky Forums. Source: The Veeky Forums catalog.

It's not fallacy that ponyfags became so insufferable here - and elsewhere - that they were quarantined by the powers that be, which - wait for it - act as "one entity." It's not silly that continually abrasive conduct by its adherents can make certain subjects toxic.

QED

>This is an old lie

Liar.

>It's easy enough to miss that I haven't noticed any major difference from what kendo and HEMA I've done.
Because your HEMA doesn't take into account dangerous mordhau practices that turn a European bastard sword/longsword into a bludgeoning tool able to cave in a man's skull. Or collapse the wind-pipe. Heavy, dense quillons are good on a sword as they give you an additional surface with which to strike with, and is pretty good at fucking up armor. Or simply hooking a neck.

HEMA is larping with more expensive equipment.

Anyone who thinks it's a good example of real life combat is probably retarded or a fatlus or most probably both.

I have no problem with people who want to play in settings based on Aisian or Japanese culture. I love a little Legend of the Five Rings from time to time.

The problem with Japanese Samurai in the west is twofold. One, massive over-exposure on the 90's and second FUCKING KATANA PLONKERS.

Being actually Japanese I can tell you weebs fucking ruined it for people who genuinely want to play and eastern character or setting.

I can get away with it at the tables because people think I'm playing a racial thing. (But if I'm being honest I like my characters based off my Europen side but I digress)
I've got no issue with someone playing a Easter character but if it's weeb I have no problem crucifying them, because weebs are actually fucking racist pricks.

winner

It depends. HEMA is good for Sabre or Rapier combat because this can be practiced realistically and safely.

Sure as fuck isn't good with longswords though.

reminder that weeb doesn't even mean weeb anymore. it just means someone that likes japanese things. what it should mean is "someone who likes japan but doesn't know anything about it". i am fairly knowledgeable about most things Japanese (pop culture, language, history, politics, ect...). I even know a lot about anime/manga but at least I know what I'm talking about. Weeb is such a shitty term that makes the people that actually know shit about Japan and Japanese stuff.

Fair but regardless it's awful when these animu faggots distil my culture down to their fucking wifus and shitty Cosco katanas.

If you know shit about Japan and your repscting the culture do whatever and all the power to you!
You just don't see the same level of disrespect and "watering down" of European culture that you do of Japanese with the shitty weebs.

>weebs are actually fucking racist pricks.
did all the anime characters photoshopped into trump hats not tip you off?

At the end of the day I blame naruto and naruto like things for a lot of the shitty weeb stuff in Veeky Forums

Fuck I hate anime

I live in Canada so thank god I haven't had to deal with the trump shit.

But no not really. Up here I deal with a lot of fadora fags with fox tails attached to their belts saying Kuwai and shit when they tag their pictures

I played a character based on Miyamoto Musashi a while back and the group weeb didn't like it. I like to think that's a good sign that I'm not one of the bad ones.

Pretty much this Anime and video game culture spawned a generation of people who are interested in Japan and Japanese culture, and some of them take it to obnoxious extremes.

In true Veeky Forums fashion, all people interested in Asia, and specifically Japan, are stereotyped as the lowest common denominator, just as it stereotypes any group. But I agree, there's nothing wrong with a Japanese-type setting or Asian-type setting in and of itself.

You can get katanas at costco?

Its fine with me if the Japanese forces in question are from the Russo-Japanese wars, or WW2.

Japs have always been pretty ingenious with their warfare. using MGs offensively in the Russo-Japanese wars, managing to capture large areas of china and the philipines in WW2. And lets not forget almost wiping the entire US fleet in a single surprise move. Pity they always get outproduced by larger nations.

To be fair by the way, people who take an interest in Africa are sympathizers to "dindu nuffins" and Middle East to terrorist "mudslimes", and either way you are now a puppet of the devilish Jewish conspiracy and a "good goy".

Veeky Forums is not a nice place, user.