Can we have a good ol' fashioned Games Workshop hate thread?

Can we have a good ol' fashioned Games Workshop hate thread?
Share stories from times in store, annoying players and staff members, your problems with how the place is run, your thoughts on the drop in quality in all aspects of their games, how you took out several loans to fund your hobby then had your legs broken by debt collectors before you decided to quit.

Games Workshop apologists not welcome.

Fuck off.

Bad day user? Replying is optional you know.

Fuck off.

Austismo at maximum

I no longer care enough to hate them.

Have you tried playing xwing instead?

Nah, I can't really see the appeal of it.

I've jumped over to Dropzone Commander, and am excited for the Dropfleet Commander ame interaction

I still like 40k but only just play the vidya and RPGs.


Infinity is a pretty fun war game.

Never had a problem with GW, except for their pricing, but I'm not useless cunt and have a job so I can afford luxuries like overpriced games.

at this point i just paint

I like the larger scale of Armada for my space games.

"The problem is your all just poor!"
lol

Love Infinity.
Love Armada.
My Cauldron of blood came with a 25mm for the hag, I called Customer Support and they suggested I buy a 20 pack of 20mm. It was like $30.

Useless cunt detected.

The sales people at the local GW are relentless and the pricing is bull compared to most other miniature games.

If I had discovered it now rather than at the age of 10 I probably would have started straight into battletech and saved my parents hundreds.

I had a similar problem with a box of pathfinders I bought.
Only came with 9 bases and there was meant to be 10.

Called up customer support but they were actually pretty chill and sent me 10 new 25mm bases. So now I got a 9 extra bases which I'm pretty happy about.

My main gripe with GW though other than their prices would be their staff at their stores. Once you walk in they do not leave your side incessantly talking. Fuck man just let me look around for a bit, and if I need help I'll ask for it.

This looks really sweet.
Still would be a pain to get it to Russia, but sweet nevertheless.
Care to provide a small comparison with wh40k?

Since I like 40K but hate GW, can anyone give me suggestions of some of the best new-ish and alive tabletop wargames?

I would be up for trying other things, but price, fun, balance, learning curve and whatnot are hard to judge without giving them a try (which is hard when everyone around me only plays X-Wing and 40K)

Hate GW but I still like their games, even if they're not in the best shape. I kind of just feels pity for them now though, they're running themselves into the ground and it's not good for the players, investors or people who work there. The only people who are going to benefit are the few carpet baggers at the top of the structure who'll make a quick turnover when it starts to hit the serious economic problems we can all see in the future.

>My Cauldron of blood came with a 25mm for the hag, I called Customer Support and they suggested I buy a 20 pack of 20mm. It was like $30.

Pretty sure that is a faulty item in most countries. You should have been more persistent.

BASED

You do realize they have been turning all of that around since the new CEO came in right?

They have to an extent but I fear it may be too late since...

1. Fantasy is dead and buried and AoS is a lost cause. It's going to take them so much more effort to correct and change AoS (if it can even be done) than it would have taken to just show Fantasy some love.
2. Rowntree may right the ship but is he really challenging those at the top who caused it to nearly sink? 40K still seems to be moving closer to AoS than away from it. All the old talent at the art/design/writing studios have left.
3. The above two have caused an opening for their competitors that I doubt they'll ever be able to seal again, this is good for us customers though.

They're probably super lonely and are overjoyed to see another adult who might not not be a drooling retard.

Could be this, at my local GW it's a pain in the fucking arse getting hold of them, I only go in to buy something and they're too busy looking after a starter game, painting tutorial or whatever to serve me within 5 minutes. Moral of the story GW have more than 1 person in the store. It must be fucking horrible working for them.

I went into GW once to paint my ork army when I was young (about 15) and dad left me there for a Saturday cus that was the cool thing to do.

So anyway I drew all these massive swastikas on my captured Imperial guard ork tanks and was
had a ten minutes chat with one of the guys who worked there on why that was bad and the nazis where bad.

And ended with me saying "I think the nazis would of liked Warhammer" and him looking like pic related.


There where other times my austims came out to play like the time I called a guy who had "love wins" pin a pimp.

>mostly just buy models because i like painting and customizing things
>played 40k as a kid
>gw doesn't give shit for love for the factions i would buy models for now that i quit
>just use a bunch of old shit i bought and bitz lots from ebay
i dont hate them, but they clearly dont cater to the things i want anymore, and dont end up with my money because of it

Games Workshop core demographic, ladies and gents: people with more money than sense. Or taste for that matter.

Games Workshop has done literally nothing wrong

>Bristol GW in the early 90s
>be about 14 or 15 back then
>be browsing with friend
>guy who invented the Howling Griffons SMurf chapter working there, bullet-headed bloke with a flattop
>some other redshirt cunt looking like a metaller who'd spent last night in a squat, had a northern accent and swore a lot
>they're both playing 40k
>completely absorbed in their game
>me and friend at counter, both holding boxed sets we want to buy
>waiting for them to notice us
>literally there for 5 minutes
>start laughing because it's so ridiculous
>flattop finally looks up and sighs testilly, pissed off at our interuption
>strides theatrically over the counter
>stuffs our boxes into bags, takes our money
>glaring at us the whole time, no attempt to make conversation
>strides back over to the gaming table to resume his game

Always used to make me laugh when I'd see this guy in WD, smiling merrily in his photo and banging on about his enthusiasm for the hobby.

>your
This is why you don't have a good job, user

>Can we have a good ol' fashioned Games Workshop hate thread?
Shit man, It's been too many years since I bought a GW item to really care anymore. There's lots of other games around these days - play some Malifaux, Infinity, Warmahordes or Kings of War.

I don't get to play any of those, these days user - go and live vicariously for me.

Played a couple quick games of dead zone are my lgs recently. Quick and fun skirmish, and since it's made by a bunch of ex GW folks you can use your 40k minis just fine

Is it just me or is tabletop gaming and certainly wargaming bigger than ever.

Ten years ago it seemed like GW was 90% of the market.

I grew up playing GW games in the 1990s. We loved and played them all but especially the specialist game lines the bastards gutted. Necromunda, Blood Bowl, Gorka Morka, Man O War, Mordheim, Space Hulk, Dark Future, etc we played and loved them all.

I hate the featherweight all plastic models easily knocked over and broken which are now overly ornate.

ETA: But killing off Specialist games wasn't their darkest deed. Not even their shame less price gouging. No. When the destroyed the Old World and WFB with it. That was the final straw.

>"I think the nazis would of liked Warhammer"
It's in poor taste, but it's also true.

Well the guy he was replying to forgot an indefinite article, so fuck you.

End Times was full retard. I could hardly believe that shit was even real, it was so absurd.

GW had a stranglehold on the market 15 years ago. Since then it's continual fuckups have allowed a lot of new games to gain strong footholds.

>your thoughts on the drop in quality in all aspects of their games
I used to hate it but then I realized I could just ignore new art, fluff and models and stick to the RPGs. Lack of new art is a shame sometimes but it's better than the alternative.

Yep, Infinity, Armada and Warmachine are now huge in my LGS.

We still have 2 40k players, but they mostly hang out in the corner and talk, I've never seen them play a game to completion.

About 15 years ago, a GW employee tried to convince me White Scars could take Terminators on bikes so I would buy both kits and convert them.

I was 11.

Hahaha what a bastard

>Hating detailed plastic.
I can understand the price increase getting you a little mad. But plastic is easier to work with and breaks less than metal because its less brittle and lighter.

Also it looks like specialist games are coming back

they need to stop giving there IP to every shit flinger who wants to make a crappy mobile game even by mobile games but besides that the prices could be lower. Models still look damn fine in my opinion. They could try harder to balance the game for the armies and give the SOB some love so that they could get all of my spare money along with my virginity ( for the God emperor of course). I mostly play Hordes for the game-play and 40k to model. The writing has stayed around decent recently so I am largely happy with them.

>AoS dead
They are making a number of the required changes to fix it.
Killing fantasy was a mistake but that was the previous CEO.

> Closer to AoS.
I've yet to hear an argument for this that makes sense.

I can't say how much roundtree is fighting people at the top to cause change vs being brought in to make changes.

His biggest problem is long production cycles and inertia. It takes a long time from realizing there is a problem to publishing a thing that fixes it.

Especially when the problems are so deep in the production cycle as they are at gw

there has been a change in CEO?

> Mobile games.
Everyone is selling there ip to shitty mobile developers.

Wotc made the worst puzzlequest game I've seen and that was by one of the less shit companies. DC and marvel. Movie tie in games.

While the mobile games are shit. This isn't a he thing. Just ignore Mobile games unless you know the developer.

Just because other are doing it does not make it less shit, it just makes them shit as well. Not saying it is huge it is just annoying to see it on steam.

Yep. About a year ago. We're just starting see products and such he hand a serious hand in.

Like releasing the drafts of there FAQ and asking for review and comments from the community. Working with larger vendors. Getting started kits.

Agree I just don't see it as a major problem for GW. They have lots they should focus on fixing before then.

And in general working with other companies is a positive thing for them

>be me at 16
>Necrons finally got plastic models and these cool new green tube things
>local store always runs painting competitions as a promo for new armies
>pick up my necron warrior
>paint him a "green circuitry with engraved gold shoulders/accents"
>suddenly green tube thing doesn't match color scheme
>it's 4 am. Been at this all night. Wat do?
>panic and paint tube "glowing blue with lightning/electricity arcs"
>never attempted that before but shit looks cash
>take CircuitCron to store
>judged...
>problems...store manager yelling at new employee...argument over my model
>come in second place...everyone in store (including staff) thinks I should've been first
>new employee rated mine a 1/5 because I painted the green tube and in his words, "It's not a true Necron unless the tube is green!"
>mfw

>It's not a true Necron unless the tube is green
>"excuse me sir, what colors did you paint your tyranid there?"
>thats emu shit base and baby vomit carapace, with a literal elephant piss wash"
completely legal color scheme

It's pretty much reached a point where GW is gonna do the same shit, and the same crowd will keep them afloat. The tabletop gaming world will continue changing, improving and adapting and they will still be there.

Really the only thing that baffles me at this point is the "competitive" 40k players. It's actually pretty crazy that they even put themselves through that. I mean for conversions and just messing around, sure go nuts. But the ones who attend and take tournaments for it seriously? The game world in no way makes up for that shit show of a system when it comes to balance, tactical play, or really anything worthy of playing a game competitively

They haven't turned anything around. Let me know when they completely rewrite the rules to actually be competitive with well written modern games rather than being a horrible hackjob of a 20 year old game with tons of awful bloat on top and games can be finished in less than 4 hours and all factions are equally supported and the playerbase is actually treated like a partner rather than "those disgusting peasants who don't give us enough money".

>they need to stop giving there IP to every shit flinger who wants to make a crappy mobile game even by mobile games

That would be a bad idea since licencing their IP is the only part of their business that isn't failing right now.

>"It's not a true Necron unless the tube is green!"

I'd agree in part, you'd have to have a pretty good lore reason to have them some other colour. It'd be like having green Bloodletters of Khorne.

However, making a big deal out of it with a 1/5 rating is rancid cuntbubble behaviour and he should burn in hell for that.

>Warmahordes
I hope you're prepared to get fucked by Mark 3

...

Anything is better than that sorefest that was MK2i used to play cryx and would laugh at the heavy arm skewlists

Green Bloodetters aren't too out of place. I can see them being many different colors, since there's supposedly different colors of blood out there, even if red human blood is the most common. Though blue makes more sense since hemocyanin (the chemical in copper-based blood) seems to be a more likely candidate since it can be found in some larger creatures, namely large crustaceans. Although there is at least one lizard with green blood because it contains such high levels of poison to kill off its potential predators.

Hell, there's rusty, orange, craggy-skinned Orks from the Farsight supplement since their spores germinated on a planet covered in the rusty environment of a desert planet, and you could have Eldar Striking Scorpions simultaneously piss of Khorne and the Space Marines by painting them red and brass, mocking Khorne's Brass Scorpions and the Red Scorpions space marine chapter.

I could never get into warmachine after watching a room full of grown men arguing about a quarter inch. Heavy metal model wobbled on that hill? Better fight about its position!

It seems like it's a tabletop game that should really be totally 2D with little tokens.

>talks about lack of sense and taste
>complains about things he supposedly doesn't care about on Veeky Forums

PLAY LIKE YOU GOT A PAIR AMIRITE?

You can play Warmachine purely with tokens if you want. Models are just more fun and nicer to look at.

>Red Scorpions

Are grey, not red.

I'll rephrase it, 40K is moving closer to the AoS ethos, ie. 'how cheaply can we make rules and artwork and still get away with it?'

I'd like to think that would be the case but unfortunately the store I went to, they were the drooling retards.
One of them was actually wearing a fedora.

I also heard that you can't play in GW stores unless you're brand new. Like, you can't bring your army in and have a game with your mate at the store. Not sure if this is true or not. I can understand this decision from a business standpoint but it still irks me.

That'd be terribly difficult since I haven't played a game of Warmahordes in about a year now. Let me tell you, it's hard to make it to the LGS when your wife has a fluid schedule and you never know from week to week who's going to pick up the kid from daycare. And when I have game nights at my house it's usually roleplaying, not wargaming.

I could say the same thing about GW given that I saw a pair of grown ass men take 4 hours to play 1 turn of a game because they kept stopping to argue about rules.

Warmahordes is usually pretty good about rules - they're clear and there's not too much to argue about.

This is why you play for fun and not for anything important.

I'd pull my teeth out if I was playing in a competition and some autismo made me measure to the millimeter whenever I have to move something.

I hope the 8th edition of 40k "signmarizes" the rules so people stop whining about them and trying be competitive about the game.

Like, 40k is 90% painting, collecting, modelling, and lore. The sour community and irrational unconditional GW hate makes the last 10% very hard to enjoy.

What's wrong with AoS rules? Most people agree that the simplified ruleset is one of it's strengths, even the people that hate the game on principle.

>it doesn't have a point system to balance it, and that makes people very uncomfortable
>it also has some ambiguity in the base rules regarding number of attacks
>the original warscrolls had very little interaction between models

but the biggest two reasons are:

>it wasn't WFB
>nobody actually read the rules, especially when it came to list building

I'll give you one guess

I was talking about the rules, not the sigmarines. Nobody likes the sigmarines.

Because its poorly written garbage around the same level of depth as Yahtzee where you just roll buckets of dice to see who gets the most 3+.

>it doesn't have a point system to balance it, and that makes people very uncomfortable
which they are fixing in what might be the best way possible.
I don't think points are the only way to go, and they have protential problems, but not giving any real guidelines for setting up relatively matched or at least interesting games was pretty shitty.
>the original warscrolls had very little interaction between models
which they fixed.

>it wasn't WHFB
and they decided to end all support for WHFB.
If they'd kept some basic support for WHFB, with a vague announcement for 9th ed somewhere down the line, when they released AoS, it wouldn't have gotten a quarter of the hate that it did.

>Nobody likes the sigmarines.
...I like the sigmarines

I know they fixed the warsrolls, but you don't get a second chance at a first impression.

And they did give guidelines for balance play in the form of their deployment rules and sudden death rules. They don't balance the game terribly well, but neither do GW's point systems.

Balance you say?

>I know they fixed the warsrolls, but you don't get a second chance at a first impression.
very true. I just wanted to point out that there has been a move to improve the game.
It's part of what builds my hope that the new ceo is moving to do better.

>And they did give guidelines for balance play in the form of their deployment rules and sudden death rules.
that is hardly a system.
I don't just mean it doesn't work to balance, I mean it doesn't feel like a good system even for casual play.

While the GW point system is pretty bad, and it giving a false impression of balance is one of the problems with balance, it does at least give you a better guide to have general feel for what you should be going for.

I mean, I have to balance the game on top of the point system to make 40k games work, but the point system gives me a starting point that I can start my thought process from. The AoS system did not.

>But plastic is easier to work with and breaks less than metal because its less brittle and lighter.

Lighter yes, the rest of what you typed just wasted everybody's time.

I just pretend they don't exist and focus on warmahordes and infinity.

Asked employees at two different GWs if I could use imperial space marine in non codex chapters without allies- both said yes, even gave me examples in the rules of why it should work. And here I was trying to not flood people with wolfen and thunderwolves.

It's the name, not the actual color, that'll piss them off. They'd be red Striking Scorpions. Red Scorpions.

Hopefully they can make armies at least look like actual armies. I suppose that they are just too cheap to hire decent game designers.

Easily the healthiest approach

>that pic

Anyone who agreed to be involved should genuinely be evaluated by a mental health professional.

I have a week off work coming up soon so was looking to do a little Eldar painting project (Haven't painted in ages)

Was thinking about some wraithguard or a wraithlord since I've always liked their design, Anyways was on geedubz's site and saw the pricing of Dire Avengers.

Jesus Christ. £20 for 5 models when back when I played it was £20 for 10, I still have a unopened box of them somewhere but what the fuck GW.

Matt?

bolt action

Don't suppose you're from Sydney are you?

Your story is oddly familiar

That's absolutely not true. Plenty of advanced players go into my local store all the time to play.

okay, so I know I'm supposed to be upset here, but everthing is so gray and poorly focused I can't even tell what's there I'm supposed to be upset about.

I see a dragon, some tree type things, another couple of maybe dragon type things, and then just stuff.
I honestly couldn't tell you if those are things that seem like they should go together.

so you're saying it's easier to glue metal minies, same with trimming, shaping, converting etc etc etc?

That when you knock a metal mini off the top of a ruins, you won't have chipped off paint, or broken off the army... again.

It's not anything special, just a shitty game of AoS which is crammed full of shit like a game of Apocalypse except worse because you dont have a ton of dstrength templates for removing chunks of models (comparatively) quickly.

My negro!

I also play Malifaux to fill the hole left by Fantasy. Warmahordes is too humourless to completly replace it but Malifaux feels a lot like Mordheim.

now I know I know
>where do you think you are
but you can find millions of grown men arguing about a ball or puck being a quarter inch off any given day