My group is insisting on playing D&D 3.5, and I'd like to show them the error of their ways...

Druid.

You have a better bear companion than the ranger, you can turn into a bear that fights better than the fighter, and you are still a full caster that just trumps fucking everything the monk could do.

All this is also in core.

How about you dont be a dick and either quit the group or just have fun with them.

roll a druid and just play casually, not even worrying about min/maxing. watch the rest of the players realize your animal companion outdamages them.

> What's the best build I can make to fuck up the setting and kill the other PCs
>not trying to upset his group
OP is That Guy and you should stop defending him

Please only post legitimate answers. I won't have trolls in my thread. Thank you.

my point in telling him to play truenamer is to tell him to play the most non d&d 3.5 class ever

Probably bait topic but if not bait just play a druid. A wizard could break the campaign over his knee more but no one will recognize it and he will look like a beloved contributor to party success. The druid will simply do everything the rest of the party is doing but better.

I know full well what you were doing. Please don't troll.

dandwiki.com/wiki/Pun-Pun_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)

> won't have trolls in my thread
> What's the best build I can make to fuck up the setting and kill the other PCs

Fuck off, That Guy.

It's a legitimate thread, don't know why you feel the need to shitpost and be a salty little troll about it. If you don't like it, just leave and let the adults have their discussion.

This thread is already doomed. Abandon it.

Played a True Namer/Fiend Binder in a non-serious game that lasted about a year and got us to level 27. Probably the most fun I've ever had in 3.5

If you really want to show them the problem with 3.X then a broken character isn't the way to go. Just try to do unusual things, forcing you and the DM to take five minutes checking your sheet and the rulebook to resolve it, over and over.

Class balance can be tweaked. Overstuffed rule sets cannot.

that's... actually a really good idea. AND it doesn't force you to be that guy, just being creative is enough.

Dont be a beta passive-aggressive faggot and talk to them like adults. Seriously, 3.5 isn't a form of torture simular to ripping out your nails. Best edition? no, but it was still way better then 4e. Either play and have fun, talk to them about how you wanna play something else, or go sulk in the corner like all your mary sue characters and let everyone else enjoy their lives.

You're not very familiar with the system, it seems.

Then again, you're trying to earnestly reply to a dumb troll thread, so that tends to be how it goes.

Actual question, since my group is also insisting on 3.5. Assuming low optimization (the other PCs are all new to D&D), what's a fun character to play that can contribute meaningfully without overshadowing anyone else?

That's also fun for me, that is. I don't want to just play a Wizard or Cleric, buff everyone else and then spend the encounter jerking off in the corner.

Sorcerer or Bard.

So my friend is running a weeaboo magic oneshot this weekend, what's the most obnoxious build i can go? Point buy 40 btw...don't ask me why i really don't know

Flaws and Traits are a-ok too

This is kind of like those Republicans who rant about how broken government is, then get into government, do their best to sabotage it, and then say "see!" I'm not defending 3.5 (which is... le'ts just say "flawed"), but the only thing you're proving is how much of douchewad you are.

Here is the druid handbook for you.
brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=1354.0
Focus on either spellslinging, animal companion, or wild shape. Delve into it as deep as possible. Any path lets you rule the battlefield as a demigod.
You'll be noticeably more powerful than your peers by level 5, and more powerful than all of them combined by level 10.

If your DM is "core only", then all you really need to take is the Natural Spell feat at level 5.

Note that nobody can break the game at level 1 so if you want to swagger out of the gate with hellfire and ruin, you're not going to.

Roll a cleric. If gestalt is available, cleric/druid

>better than 4e
3aboos, everyone

OP, pick a wizard and invalidate everyone else's contributions to a fight. After a few encounters where the others are effectively cleanup detail they'll get the message

Try a vow of poverty fighter.

If I wanted to play WoW, I wouldn't use a pen and a sheet of paper, I'd use a PC.

While they are tier 1 classes, wizards actually struggle to solo in 3.5 until level 12 or so. In the early game, they shine brightest at disablement magic, which, rather than utterly outshining your party, gives an illusion of balance (wizard saps enemy crowd, fighter and monk pretend they are relevant by beating up crippled foes).

How about you quit being that guy and play the most God Tier Edition of DnD?

It's annoying how the board whines about 3.5 for existing/being played just because 5e exists. 2e players never got this much shit, don't be children about this.

anyone?

Mental gymnastics

Level one wizard, using Color Spray and a Gnomish Hooked Hammer.

2e had good monsters, settings, adventures, and fluff.

Look at that lack of self-awareness. Those are called opinions. Not everyone agrees with those. Not everyone has to.

>Settings, adventures, fluff.

You as a player or DM are in complete control over this. Don't like a setting? Make changes for your group.

>Monsters.

3.5 has all of 2e's monsters and then some. The only thing that has changed is the stats.

>3.5 has all of 2e's monsters and then some.

Blatantly false.

I fucking hate 3.5, but even I have say don't be a bitch and find a different group is you don't want to play 3.5.

Shit on the table and then jump out of the window.

No, it's not. You're asking for advice on how to be a that guy. The best way to do that is to kill yourself.

In other words, bait.

Then stop pretending Diablo is a PnP game.

Dragonfire Inspiration + Snowflake Wardance Bard.

Wut?

>hey guys, how can I shit all over my group's fun?
>adults
I have no words.

People act on their opinions. If more people enjoyed 2e than 3.5e (or more realistically, much fewer people had any opinion on it one way or the other), why would they give it as much shit? But this is obvious. What isn't is why any of this annoys you.

The same comparison that is drawn between 4E and WoW can be drawn between 3.5E and Diablo.

I don't know if I agree, I'm just helping you interpret a chain of posts. It's necessary, apparently.

depends on your level

Consider the iaijutsu katana chucker build

Why would you play 4e if you want to play WoW?

4e plays nothing like WoW, it plays like tabletop Final Fantasy Tactics

People who have played neither like to parrot stupid shit someone said once like it is gospel.

It is like the people who hate 3.5 yet have never played it or met someone who played it.

What level? Starting resources? Books flatly disallowed?
Without knowing any of this, all I can do is give suggestions. Ruby Knight Vindicator is a decent prestige class, with one amazing ability. Divine Impetus, gained at RKV 7, let's you spend a Turn/Rebuke Undead attempt to gain another Swift action for the round. That might not seem like much, but ToB introduces dozens of worthwhile abilities that use a Swift. Furthermore, it's a gish class that furthers your martial maneuvers and divine spellcasting.

>[PnP game] is just an ersatz PnP version of [PC game]
>then stop pretending that [name of PC game I'm using as an epithet of a PnP game for comparative purposes] is a PnP game

Good job on unraveling what this guy was trying to say, but it's still a total non-sequitur.

I fucking loved Final Fantasy Tactics. Are you sure about this?

Yes.

More like Revenant Wings really.

hey i've got your Solution right here OP...

And how about having fun with your friends and not be zealos fanatic and hate a game your friends want to play, or don't play at all if you don't want to play this game

Dude, there are fucking rules for every goddamn thing your character could possibly do in 3.X.

Hell, just saying "I pick up a rock and throw it at him" requires a GM to look up

>The hardness of the rock
>How much damage an improvised weapon deals
>Whether or not there's a penalty for using an improvised weapon.
>The range of the rock.

Among other bullshit.

And for each ruling, the GM will have to pause the game and look up how it would work because that's how the game is designed apparently.

Hello "argues in bad faith."

I was wondering when you'd show up.

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